My Doc Had Me Stop Clomid

Pharma TRT
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I thought because of the sides it might be best, even though he told me to stop I still did one extra week like you said above maybe I should’ve tried to tough it out a little longer. Just to be honest I don’t think the Clomid raised my test that much cause I still had some pellets left in me I was getting toward the end of them though.

Do you think the letrozole could’ve made the e2 test not be correct since I took it the day before the test? Cause it really felt like high e2 by my symptoms and emotional state. It took about 3 days or so for the weird blurry vision to go away. The week I was out of town I halved the letrozole dose into weekly to see if it helped and it seemed to a little. The Clomid had me feeling worse than before TRT, I felt like I was going crazy on that stuff. I tried to get the other lad results yesterday but they close early on Friday so no luck there.

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Clomid doesn’t work for everyone. You could try another SERM or HCG.

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Ok thanks for the response. I will ask about that when I go back. I think I’m one of them that clomid doesn’t mix well with me, I will never take it again, at least not at that dose.

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Do you guys think I should ask him about nolvadex or hcg since the Clomid gave me so many problems?

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You could try either. Nolva is a Serm like Clomid. 20mg ED is a good starting point. If you try HCG, 250IU 3x weekly is a good starting dose.

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I called the doc back the other day and told them that I was having a lot of issues lately with all of this and that I needed to have something done sooner than later. I am going Thursday to have blood work done. Is 4 weeks enough time for my T levels to drop if they are going to? Is it enough for that Clomid to be gone?

I noticed today that I’m having what feels like hot flashes more often than I was and the depression, anxiety, being emotional and mood swings all seem to be getting worse also. I have snapped at my wife several times for little to no reason and she is not happy either. My job, marriage, and sex life have suffered a lot from this nightmare also. I have had a dull ache in my balls a few times to. I guess the labs are the only thing that will tell if this worked or not, by just the way I feel I’m gonna say no.

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In the advice for new guys sticky, as well as other and many many posts; I point out that many guys do have strong estrogenic side effects from clomid that are very difficult and I always recommend nolvadex that does not have those issues. Do docs understand? No! If you had read the stickies…

If your testes had not responded, the letro [or anastrozole] would have taken your E2 to levels that would feel like hell. Doc probably clueless about that too.

You will need to taper off of the letro slowly. I typically suggest cruising on 0.5mg/week anastrozole for guys after a restart.

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Thanks KSman for the reply. I read the stickies several times when I first landed here but that had been a while back. When the doc told me he wanted to try a restart I could remember enough to know what it was for but not enough to ask him much about it. Honestly the restart info never meant much to me cause I thought I would never try it, that was my first of many TRT mistakes.

I had no idea I would feel this terrible, although each day it does seem to get a little better and then it changes out of nowhere for no reason. It’s like it comes in waves or something, I don’t know at this point if it’s just in my head or what, that stuff made me feel like a train wreck man. What is your opinion on the ache in my balls? Is it normal or a sign of something, I didn’t notice it until about the third week off of the Clomid.

I wanted to pm someone to ask a few questions that I didn’t want to have on here but the mod told me that the pm is down right now.

Once again thank you for all the help guys, it seems like this helps to reduce the stress level a little.

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I really need some insight on this situation. My balls have been having a dull ache off and on for a couple of weeks and it has really progressed the last three days. Yesterday while I was at work my testicles went from a constant dull ache to a more intense pain, mainly in the right one which does seem to be noticeably smaller than the left, the pain toward the evening was about as bad as when I had the vasectomy back in November.

It hurt a lot worse while standing and walking but not as bad when sitting, and when I woke up this morning it wasn’t bad until I got up and started walking again. So I inspected and it seemed to be a little bulge above the left one and the top of the testicle is very tender when I try to look at it. The right one is just slightly sensitive not much at all so far. It’s hard to get a real good look cause I have a lot of atrophy and my sack stays tight most of the time. My libido is not that great either.

So I called the doc this morning and told him the whole deal and he said I needed to call the Dr that did the vasectomy because he didn’t think this was related to the Clomid and letrozole restart. I personally think it’s no coincidence that I was doing fine up until I tried this restart. I’m supposed to have blood work tomorrow and he wouldn’t even let me come in today and draw it one day early. He said it sounds like an infection on the epididymis. Could the serm cause this pain here, I was taking 25mg daily.

I called the other doc and he said he thinks it’s not related to the vasectomy and that he thought it was from the hormone stuff. So he said it wasn’t a priority to see me and it would be a week until I could. This is really starting to annoy me to no end. I finally got angry and he agreed to see me later today, although I think he will just give me a half hearted look at it and tell me to see the other one. Also when I had the vasectomy done it took twice as long as it was supposed to and the lidocaine was wearing off and I could start to feel it. Maybe he messed something up, would it take this long to show up?

I have been urinating like crazy the past two days and it feels like I don’t get it all out or something. I was wondering if me stopping the Clomid and letrozole like he had me do has caused my estrogen level to get high, would this cause the these issues. If you get intra testicular E2 will it cause these kind of problems. Do any of you think this is related to the restart or the vasectomy. This restart has been such a bad experience and I am getting absolutely no help from either doctor.

I have searched and read the stickies several times that’s where I got some of my theories about it, I just need someone to help me figure this out since apparently neither doctor gives a crap and acts like I’m just making it all up. I can’t seem to get my LH and FSH numbers from the last blood work I did when he had me stop, they act like I’m bothering them when I call, I don’t wanna be rude cause this is the only place I know where to go. And I am gonna be honest here in the second week of the restart I did two sub Q injections of Cyp of 30 mg I had from when I did injectable TRT.

I just wanted to not feel like crap on vacation, surely that is not enough to mess it up. It did make me feel better for that week and had a pretty good time. That was probably why my test level was 619 on the blood work I had at the stopping point, and the E2 number was 25 probably because I took 1/4 of 2.5mg letrozole the evening before. Had I known I was gonna do labs then I would’ve not done any of this. So I’ve had no Clomid or letrozole in 4 weeks and no other form of exogenous test in 6.

Sorry for the long post I just feel lost on all of this and I am getting frustrated with the whole thing. Thanks for any help or encouraging words.

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Well I went to the uro yesterday and he checked for a hernia and didn’t find anything and he checked my balls for epididymitis and said I didn’t have it but it sure as hell hurt when he checked cause my scrotum is almost always drawn up lately. I also had to pee in a cup, not sure what that checks for. I could tell he was upset that I was even there cause the first thing he said was you need to just quit all that hormone stuff it’s bad for your health. He said nothing was wrong but he also wrote me a script for 500mg keflex 4 times a day 28 total. That sounds like a high amount for nothing wrong. He said that my trouble urinating was normal and nothing was even mentioned about prostate. I asked him some questions about the Clomid and letrozole but he would only say I’m not going to get into all of that you can ask your hormone doc about that.

I left there and went to the hormone doc and told them I wanted blood work today instead of tomorrow. They did and I got to talk to the doc and told him that I felt like they weren’t taking me seriously on my problems and I was not happy with the restart. I asked him what my LH and TSH numbers on my last blood work at three weeks into the serm when I was told to stop taking it due to bad sides from it. He said it was not tested for only before I started to make sure I was shut down. So I requested it be added this time and he did. I won’t know anything until Monday.

I started the keflex that evening along with 800mg ibuprofen he suggested that I ice them also, sounds weird to me their not swollen. Anyhow I’m just frustrated, if anyone has any suggestions or thoughts on what this might be it would be greatly appreciated.

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The doc just called and said my TT was 206 but didn’t tell me any other labs. I go in the morning so I will know more, he also said he would prescribe me hcg.

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I just got back from the doc and they gave me an injection and a script for hcg. He said to come back in two weeks for next injection, I know this is a horrible schedule but I am in need of test any way I can get it for now. My hcg is pregnyl 10,000 iu with 10 ml of bacwater. His instructions were to mic 8 cc of bacwater in the powder and inject 2 cc 2x a week IM. I know I’m not gonna do IM will do Sub-q but this sounds like way to much to me per week. It can’t be for fertility cause I’ve had a vasectomy. He said to do this for 6 weeks and see if this stops the testicle pain I’ve been having.

My E2 was 29 on the lab corp test so he wouldn’t prescribe any adex until it gets high enough to warrant it. I was under the impression that this every 2 week shot along with that amount of hcg would be an E2 nightmare. Will he know if I don’t use the high level hcg by doing labs or can I do 250 iu EOD without him knowing?

One other thing is I noticed the last few days that when I have been standing for longer periods that if my scrotem is relaxed I can see a blue vein that runs across my left testicle. It hurts like hell when I touch it too, but I don’t feel the “bag of worms” that is associated with a varicoceles. Could this still be what that is or something else? He wants me to wait about seeing a different uro until we see if this helps. I don’t think it will this is more than just the dull ache that we all know it gets really painful the more I’m on my feet. Someone please help advise me on these issues.

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Guys on TRT have LH–>zero and they can have aching, shrinking testes. With hCG that stops. Obvious conclusion.

Ad 10ml BA water to 20,000iu and inject .25 ml every other day [250iu].

Startup: 500iu days 1,2
500iu day 4
250iu day 6 … EOD

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Thanks KSman for the insight, I only had 10,000 iu pregnyl and 10 ml bacwater so I added 5 ml of bacwater. I didn’t experience any constant testicle ache until after the restart and it gets so bad in the evening it’s hard to walk around. I sure hope I don’t have to put up with these E2W injections long I know it’s gonna be bad. Why do you think he wanted me to take so much hcg 5,000 iu per week with 2 separate IM injections a week. I’m doing what you recommended along with subq. He didn’t prescribe me any AI to go along with this either, I’m afraid I’m gonna have E2 issues with this protocol.

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That’s similar to the restart proto for the hcg. You basically “blast” the testes into restart mode. The steroid guys use this method. My first TRT doc recommended this too, thankfully I never did it. No bueno.

Your balls should start to feel better in a few days with the hcg in the mix. Source your own AI, lots of us do. They won’t be able to tell anything about the way you are dosing your hcg, no worries there. Just remember to keep it in the refrigerator once you mix it up. Convince your doc to let you inject at home, then you can get on a proper protocol.

If you mixed 5ml of water with 10000iu of hcg, that’s 2000iu/ml. Make sure you do the math right for your injections :wink: 500iu would be .25ml, 250iu would be .125ml. For simplicity, I tend to mix 10ml with 10000iu. Makes the math easier - 250iu is to the 25 mark on an insulin pin.

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My doc has prescribed the AI before but for some reason he likes to wait until it gets too high. The last time he wrote me some my E2 was around 60. I have seen people on here mention research chem but I’m not sure which kind is real or not.

As for the restart with hcg I don’t care anything about a restart, I tried with Clomid and it sucked the whole time, I think mine has always been low cause I never could put on any muscle but I am hairy. I injured my nuts when I was younger on a dirt bike, so maybe that’s where all this started. I have felt like a whole man on TRT instead of half without it.

Thanks catfish for the breakdown and info that was helpful.

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I have started the hcg and have taken the dosages and schedule that KSman has recommended, I took my third 500 iu dose yesterday and will be at 250 iu tomorrow. The problem that I am now facing is that my nipples are feeling weird. It’s kind of like a burning or irritated feeling, I have never experienced any of these particular symptoms before so I’m a little worried about gyno from what I have found in the searches. Should I call my doc tomorrow and ask for an AI. I do have a couple of refills on the letrozole should I just use that. I’ve been on TRT for around 4 years with T only and the occasional arimidex script for 6 pills at a time when I complain about E2 issues. When I got the t shot last week my BW from the week before showed E2 at 29 and TT at 206, if that matters. I felt a lot better after the first and second hcg shot but not so much after the third. Also I have gotten my hands on on 6 arimidex should I start taking that immediately? I’m sure this retarded 2wk injection schedule is gonna make things better then worse each time.

Thank you guys for all your help, I hate to be asking questions all the time but I feel like I get a more clearer understanding when I am answered directly instead of the searches.

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Could be the first signs of gyno, could also be in your head. You do need to get started on an AI, the every two week injections are no good. They are causing serious peaks and valleys (which make you feel good for a couple of days then bad for the next 10-12) and also causing E2 to rise.

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I agree I felt pretty good the first few days but I have noticed a significant decline in the last 2 days. It’s not in my head, they have never done this before, I have also never took hcg until now. I took .5 arimidex yesterday and could notice a slight improvement by the evening. I called the doc and they want me to do BW today so I probably just screwed myself on that one. They are still very sensitive and kinda burning a little so maybe it’s still high enough to get an AI prescribed.

I would’ve sworn my E2 was gonna be higher than 29 after that restart cause I felt so bad but I think it had more to do with the T>E ratio. What about E2 rebound cause I did just stop the Clomid and letro pretty much once they told me to. It’s so frustrating to have done so well for awhile and now feel like I’m back to square one all over again. I thought this guy was pretty good but not so sure anymore, I’m about ready to jump from this roller coaster. Once again thanks for all the help guys.

I’m gonna make sure I get my lab results this time.

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I finally got my numbers and my TT was a little over 1000 and my E2 was 30, but I had taken around 1.5mg of arimidex during the week before the draw. When he said it looked good I just had to come clean about taking it and he actually took it pretty well. My nipple sensitivity had subsided up until I took another couple of injections before I went to see him today and noticed it was coming back a little. When I saw him today he dropped my T shot from 200mg down to 150mg E2W, which I did not agree with cause I think it was only that high because I had done 500iu on days 1,2,4 and 6, this BW was done on day 7.

On a good note he did give me a script for arimidex 12 tabs with 2 refills. I really hope he only trying to get my dose dialed in and then let me inject more frequently on my own, really hate the IM shots after doing the sub-q route. I know when I used to do injectable 100mg a week split into E3D via sub-q injection would have my TT hovering around low to mid 800’s. I know the hcg would add to that some but I’m wondering if 200mg of T alone would have had me at that level on its own without the hcg. Cause only 6 days after a 200mg injection I would think it could possibly raise it that much, also would the hcg work that fast after being shut down 4 yrs along with pretty severe atrophy? One other thing is this may be a little TMI, I noticed that since I added this hcg this time my balls seem to go way up and kind of split one on the left and right of the base. It almost seems like their trying to go up in my body, anyone else experience something like this?

He also said something about taking the hcg for 6 weeks and go from there, at 1,250iu 2XW, which I didn’t. So I really hope he is not gonna try another restart, I can’t handle that Clomid again it was horrible. I also think I am carrying a little more fat kinda under and to the outside on my chest, what could get rid of this, just really blast my chest on workout days or is this something that nolvadex could do, or should I just keep taking the arimidex as usual and see if that helps? Sorry for all the long posts I just want to be thorough as possible. Thanks for any input from anyone.