They go underhook I hit the Mir shoulder lock
Well that’s just impolite.
Speaking of rock and roll violence, another emotional music experience for me was when I was 14 or so and discovered the local Legion Hall music scene.
Mosh pits in crowded, smoky rooms where catching a black eye or a puncture from someone’s wrist spike was an expected outcome was about the coolest thing on the planet at the time.
Just don’t ask me to explain why.
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Violent shows… ANY early Slayer show. Might not survive. Danzig 3 was insane. Hardcore shows at ratty clubs.
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Mosh pits were breaking out everywhere in the mid 90’s. My brother’s friend got his face split open in the mosh pit at a Violent Femmes concert.
I saw The Gin Blossoms, Spin Doctors and Cracker at the World Music Theater in Chicago around the same time and there was a fairly rowdy mosh pit. Not Twitching Gollum at the Legion Hall rowdy, but still respectable.
That concert was the first time I crowd surfed, which was also an emotional experience.
Saw Crowbar, High on Fire, Soilent Green… in a legendary tiny club in St Louis called The Creepy Crawl.
Slayer pits circa early 90’s… terrifying
The song that makes my leg shake everytime is the 1954 thats alright mama by elvis…can’t explain it, but it moves me
If I recall correctly you are or were a Sick of It All fan and of some other NYHC bands.
Yep… got on stage with SOIA in 99 or 2000 at The Galaxy in St Louis AFI opened
Agnostic Front, SOD, In Cold Blood, Murphy’s Law
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Maybe this would be be more appropriate in the Flame-free confession thread.
I went to Woodstock '99. Everything said about it is true. I’d still go again.
Emotionally it felt like a release valve. Spiritually, break stuff.
Who was the best ??
Gojira live is epic
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That’s super impressive because it clearly shows for a split second that training muscle memory initally leads him to a harai-goshi but being off the mat and dealing a with a drunk he opts for an o-goshi where both legs are firmly planted on the ground.
One more from me - a criminally underrated band:
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There’s a lot of guys he could train with in Maine, but he chooses the most old school hardass you can find. The hip toss, back take and little details like keeping his hooks in across different positions is a textbook case of “knocking on the front door first”.
He did this all while continuing to perform a song about violence. He did it back in the mid 90s before BJJ was cool and when it was 100 percent about training to handle violence with your bare hands.
Very moving. Very rock and roll. Very good execution of off-mat technique as I’ve come to understand it.
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I have been to a few hardcore shows. Years ago I went to a book signing and get-together at a graffiti-themed art store for a book you might like, Urban Styles: Graffiti in New York Hardcore, which deals with these overlap of these two subcultures. It has loads of pictures of old show flyers, album covers, and NYHC-themed graffiti-style art in it. I met Jere from Dmize at the signing
and I’m acquainted with Louie “KR” Gasparro who played drums for Murphy’s Law and Lordz of Brooklyn and some DMS people (not people I want to closely befriend, lol).
I was an AF fanatic for years! I first heard Victim in Pain at 13 years old, in 1993. I was too little (and scared, lol) to go to CB’s.
Some pics I think you’d appreciate.
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Freddy from Madball ?? Those are great ! Thanks for sharing. Early AF was scary shit… I had Victim in Pain on record and Cause for Alarm. Can’t forget Cromags
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@marine77 The author of the book is a guy named Freddy Alva, who grew up in NYHC and the DMS guys from the start.
The book has two chapters about Hoya from Madball and Mackie (tag was Hyper) from Cro-mags, both of whom were in the NYC graffiti scene in the 80’s.
I almost met Freddy Madball at a venue here in my town on Long Island through acquaintances who are close friends with him, but couldn’t make it that night. 
Many of the old-school NYHC people had loose screws! Lol. I’m actually sort of glad these scenes died down by the time I got to high school considering people from both scenes graduated from there years before I did and I would have been drawn to them, which might have resulted in some bad outcomes.
I think I played Victim in Pain and Cause for Alarm everyday for the entire summer of 1993. 
Up until that time I listened to ordinary heavy and hair metal, rock, and some alt-rock (Iron Maiden, Motörhead, Guns ‘n’ Roses, Cinderella, Alice in Chain, etc).
There was a kid in my gym class with a wacky punk-rock, dyed hairdo who rattled off a bunch of band names to me, and I had to check them out. When I turned on those cassettes for the first time as a kid, my mind was blown.
Here is a tribute to Madball a writer from my old town did. He was a roadie for them and AF.
Here’s a Sick of it All flyer drawn by a high school alumni, “Saint,” who graduated about ten years before me.
Love Beck. One of the coolest compliments I heard about him was that he never wasted a note. In the world of rock guitar, that is saying A LOT.
The first song I ever heard from him still remains one of my favorites when I need a pick me up: Freeway Jam from the live album with Jan Hammer group.
Awesome stories !
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@marine77 Hey Marine, this new documentary series came out this past Sunday. It’s about deceased graffiti writer Sane, who was heavily involved in the NYHC scene. I thought of our conversation considering the footage in the second installment linked here. The first ten minutes has old footage of Agnostic Front, Sick of it All, Cro-mags, Bad Brains, Burn, Warzone, and Madball, playing at CB’s, and I think Lamour’s. Gavin from Burn, who was close friends with Sane, is interviewed throughout the film. I did not know AF was on Donahue back in the day until I watched this.
Mackie from Cro-mags used to write too (tag was Hyper).
\m/… thanks will watch !
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