It’s weird to have all this info and then claim that no one can get the info. Do people not realize how ridiculous that is? “Twitter is keeping this article I will link for you from ever possibly being known!!!”
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Not enough. That’s the problem. You go read these the cases and tell me the similarities. There has to be sufficient similarity to earlier cases to derive anything for the case at hand.
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Just a couple of hints from a quick google search if you want to dig deeper:
“Court opinions are important because under the doctrines of precedent and stare decisis, judges reach decisions according to principles laid down in similar cases. Therefore, a researcher needs to find a case that is precedent (on point) because it guides the attorney in regard to how the issue in the client’s case may be decided. An opinion is on point, and may be considered as precedent, if there is a sufficient similarity between the key facts and the rule of law/legal principle that governs both the court opinion and the client’s case.”
TBF he’s talking about the amount of exposure these articles are able to receive since Twitter and facebook are a major sources of news for people. But Twitter has already backtracked.
Pat read?
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Lol I get the joke but I don’t wanna fucking read them and I won’t unless you put a gun to my head. I doubt he does either. This is some really boring shit.
I will circle around and read the articles later, but my question for you is, when you say it lacks precedent, what is the “it” in this scenario?
Certainly, anti-trust is nothing new and it has been done many times. What’s the issue with Amazon, Alphabet, Facebook and possibly twitter?
I don’t understand how “factor in the tech(frontend, backend, system architecture, servers etc)” make a difference. That’s a matter of how they conduct business.
Now if you read earlier up in the thread, I did make some exceptions for twitter, because it does have slightly more legit competition, though hardly competitive. I am adding this for context for my claim.
How many antitrust cases have there been compared to, say, homicide. Or negligence? Even libel was considered to be lacking in precedent just 15 years ago in the UK(it could still be. I’m not up to date on this stuff). And that’s just the case law. What statutory provisions are they basing charges on for, say, google, and on what aspect of their operations? I don’t know much about antitrust law and I read the report from the FTC was 500 pages long. I’m not reading that shit lol.
“The Department of Justice alleges that Google pays Apple and other device-makers to set its search engine as the default “on billions of mobile devices and computers worldwide,” thus controlling how users access the internet.”
But is this even an argument if users can just type in yahoo.com in their browsers? If they’re paying them to only pre-install google chrome, that would be different.
You don’t have to read 500 pages. And it’s good that anti-trust cases are rare, it’s proof that the system works for the most part.
The basis is this:
“Google was accused in the long-expected lawsuit of harming competition in internet search and search advertising through distribution agreements – contracts in which Google pays other companies millions of dollars to prioritize its search engine in their products – and other restrictions that put its search tool front and center whenever consumers browsed the web.”
Now the media being what it is, is misreporting this stuff. The case is against Alphabet, of which Google is a subsidiary. Alphabet also runs Youtube, Instagram, Android, etc. And when you understand the scope and breadth of Alphabet, it’s clear that anti-trust is long overdue for they dominate most of the internet.
It’s not even that. I am fairly certain you can install your own search apps from Yahoo and Bing, on top of being able to set your browsing homepage to either Yahoo or Bing. So not only can you set your browser to open up to the search engine of your choice but if I remember correctly you can actually install their own apps.
I am most certainly not informed on antitrust laws but from the standpoint of access it seems a non-starter.
In addition, if the lawsuit is based on other functions like the Google home or Assistant then those are things that Yahoo or Bing would have needed to have invested in in order to even try to compete. So that doesn’t make sense to me either
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It’s already started:
EDIT: I added the second story to balance the pro-google view of the first.
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Yeah, we were talking about just one part that also involved Apple.
Note that I never mentioned google anywhere above. They already had it coming after the breach of privacy incident years back. It’s the social media sites that are the tricky ones because of tech, plus Amazon.
Thanks for the links. I’ll check them out.
This tech stuff is too complicated for me to wrap my head around. After having to pick up some really basic stuff for work, I realized just how much I don’t know. I think I have to learn much more to fully appreciate how complex everything really is and how much I REALLY don’t know.
Antitrust laws cover a wide range of stuff. It’s boring as fuck. Even if I remembered half of it, I’m not sure how it applies to those social media sites individually.
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Perfectly stated. I used to program for fun in high school…now I can’t even do the most basic functions in any web language. Actually, I haven’t been able to do that in years either.
Add in ML, AI, and big data and I am hopeless
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The cloud stuff alone today makes my brain feel like it’s going to explode. I can talk about more basic tech involving website backend stuff involving APIs and databses from memorizing simple stuff I get my guy to write down for me but I can’t even pick up the basic lingo for this and have to drag my highly introverted tech guy to any meetings with clients lol.
One project I did had a little portion that required ML and AI. I had to completely outsource it because it required dudes with higher educations in both computer science and stats and/or finance. I’m completely clueless as well and even my inhouse guy isn’t versed in it.
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I can keep up with the website lingo (sort of), because I kind of have a conceptual framework on how they relate. But there is exactly zero chance in hell I could do anything more than a “hello world” print out of code.
Cloud stuff…nope. Highly abstracted away from even traditional object oriented code, which is abstract anyway.
The stats I can grasp kind of from science. There is no way I can grasp the modeling and network ideas they use.
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It’s NOT because you would have fuckups in the application of the law. How did they get so big in the first place? Assuming they are really guilty of flouting antitrust laws, what’s the real solution? If it’s increasing regulations, it will also affect small firms. Or did existing regulations actually enable them to get so big indirectly by putting small firms at a disadvantage in terms of stuff like, for example, expenses on things like auditing and all since they’re already limited financially so they can’t allocate funds for expansion?
You may even end up with a stupid verdict that further fucks things up for such small firms.
Think about the first criminal cases involving a variety of things. How many people were either wrongly convicted or let go?
This is the equivalent of reading a news headline. We’re talking about a case that will take YEARS to reach a verdict. Just think about this: If it were this simple, google wouldn’t have 500 lawyers from the top firms in the world being deployed for this(using a bit of hyperbole to make a point, of course).
I spent 2 months in lockdown trying to pick up python and django while forced to do mostly remote working and a little bit of javascript. Had to do it because more and more clients are asking for tech in their projects and I needed to pick up the lingo. Picked up html 20 years ago but that was like elementary school level compared to these. Maybe I’m just dumb or getting old but python’s supposed to be the most accessible language for noobs but even that required forcing the use of my brain to the extent that I never knew was possible. I can’t even imagine guys coding in C++.
Even on the mobile side they have native apps for android and ios which require different languages hence separate developing teams, hybrid cross platform apps with multiple languages and frameworks, web views… it’s all just crazy.
Then you have server side services like Firebase and Amazon Web Services. And AWS’s cloud services have so damn many categories and layers for each category even tech guys I work with have to subcontract other tech guys, who will also subcontract some stuff to others to handle a medium sized project I’m doing next year. If the client tries to be funny and asks for google Azure instead I’m going to go nuts lol.
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It’s absolutely unbelievable. Html = toddler level, and unfortunately that’s about all I can do. Do I “know” where django and python kinda fit in with the scheme of things? Fairly. But damn. I always thought I could pick up anything if I worked at it long enough…but that’s a hard nope.
And what little i kinda-sorta remember of C++ decades ago is in no way relevant to whatever the language has become. I mean, maybe…but there’s also no way I remember any.
Server side services are a circus compared to the relative “ease” of consumer side batch of 2 dozen different frameworks. I’ll take your word for it because I don’t doubt that’s the case, and I couldn’t even begin to figure out the landscape even if I wanted to.
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You’d be surprised how much you can grow from just “Hello world”. Coding isn’t as daunting as it may seem. The problem is the vast variety of coding languages. I would like to see an ISO standard or something. Every time you think you have something down, somebody wants something else new. It’s just like anything else, once you learn the basics, you grow from there. I don’t code, but I do script. It’s just baby steps, you start simple figure out what you want to get done and learn how to do that. Next thing you know, you’re a geek.
I don’t think it’s that complicated unless your talking about coding out the actual cloud. Most of it appears to me to be a base structure for VM’s. You pick your poison and start loading up machines.
I.E. I think anyone can learn it, it just depends on need. It’s helpful if you have an assignment at work or something that pushes you toward a certain goal. The other good news, is that likely somebody has already written the code and they share shit on the interwebs and you can copy and paste.
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