Frankly, if society has the time and energy to cancel, or come down on people, for “all lives/blue lives matter” as they just got done watching someone be nearly murdered by people yelling BLM…well, you have to wonder just how unequal things even are. Because that is some impressive power right there.
Are they interested in actually meeting us (those who oppose BLM as a radical organization) in the middle? How about shouting down BLM and joining us for All Black Lives Matter? So my points about black on black violence should be treated with the same gravity, getting at least (AT LEAST) as much lip service from the movement?
What a time. When the exclusionary is treated as inclusive. And the inclusive is treated with the vindictive that used to be reserved for the exclusive.
If the movement must draw its lines and have its phrases uttered precisely back in some one-sided led response… . I already have my own religion. And it, at least, has concepts such as mercy, forgiveness, and baptism for original sin…
Starting arguments? My friend, the people chanting BLM are actually killing, hurting, burning, and looting. If someone can take offense at me, but not at that social pressure of that exact phrasing after all of this…So? That person is probably the type who would beat a white Macy’s employee down, making him beg for mercy, because his brother lied about the N word.
Edit: Lot of edited additions.
In fact, with all the arson, broken glass, the assaults, the outright murders in the wake of the BLM movement…There isn’t a more appropriate time for the phrase. At a time when anyone who isn’t seen as a word for word ally–with nearly word for word utterances–of BLM is subject to social cancellation at best, DOXing, and outright violence at worst, that phrase, “all lives matter,” is very damn timely and appropriate. And it takes power-tripping zealous puritans to think otherwise. Damn, that’s supposed to be our bag (Christians).
Ok, now I have to go cook. So, you guys will have to hold the fort down. Later.
Well, how bout you start with me? I think i have shown a willingness to genuinely discuss and meet in the middle. But when you come back with aggressive, sarcastic and hyperbole filled posts like the above, are YOU really interested?
Which gave that impression?
You said this. I have to respond to it, right? In what way was I out of bounds?
The assumption is that I’m looking to start arguments instead of taking a principled stand. My position, which is more inclusive by definition, is the middle ground. If it’s demanded that I’m a silent ally who is merely to follow direction, utter the correct phrasing back when challenged on my allegiance, there isn’t going to be a middle ground. I figured reconciliation was more important than some kind of purity testing. I’m discovering that was perhaps a bad assumption.
Like Obama’s kids?
When I hear black lives matter I hear a slogan founded on lies.
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And you would be called a racist.
This post is significantly more conducive towards an empathetic, productive discussion than your previous two… except the last sarcastic part haha.
Your version, came off argumentative because instead of acknowledging the legitimacy of the other sides concerns, and then presenting where your views possibly differed, you decided to also add in a list of bad things you are accusing the other side (and including that person as well) of doing or supporting. You immediately put the other side in a defensive posture. Again, as Aragorn said, its a matter of optics and communication and being aware of them. Ask questions, dont accuse. State what you believe, but do not state what someone else believes if they dont tell you that first, etc.
Legitimatley, what did your version accomplish, that my version didnt? Other than feel better to say?
Eh, i doubt it. I’m not on SM, but i do live in a hyper liberal area, and interact with the lefty’s leftists. Havent had any problems so far. And dont really expect to.
The rule of “don’t be an asshole” still serves me well.
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Adding “too” won’t fly. Simply saying you agree is not good enough. Remember, if you are not being anti racist, you are a racist.
If your white fishing buddy is constantly telling belittling jokes about black folks, and saying the n-word with a hard, sneering R, and you keep going out fishing with him and dont ever tell him to knock it off… does that make you racist too?
My understanding is that telling him to knock it off would be anti-racist, but politely chuckling or cringing and staying quiet would be non-racist. I would hope we all choose to be anti-racist.
At this point in time I’m assuming bad faith on the part of any who can’t accept “Your life matters as much as mine.”
It’s so turned upside down to me, I just can’t get how you can’t get me. You see?
Scenario:
BLM movement: “Black lives matter?”
White guy whose background we know absolutely nothing about: “Just as much as my own. The creator populated the earth with us all. All lives matter.”
BLM movement: "Woah. What did you just say? And, not say? There are inevitably folks hiding their racism behind that statement, therefore, it is off limits.
White fella: 'Well, rest assured, that isn’t me. Every race of human being has the same value."
BLM movement: “…Right, but…Black lives Matter? Can’t you just state it like that? Three little words?”
White fella: “Well, I don’t like the namesake organization that organizes many of the demonstrations. And it seems to me to be exclusionary while ignoring some greater threats to black lives in the present. But, again, I assure you, all races are created equal under God in my eyes.”
BLM: “You argumentative, contrarian, racist mother-…”
/kicks in head while screaming “Black lives Matter, N-word.”
Am I the contrarian? Hmm. There is no hope for a middle ground.
Getting to the bottom of what actually costs the most black lives, and where we’ll need to look to save the greatest number. While reminding the BLM movement that the lives being destroyed under the chant matter too along the way. If silence really is compliance, they need to get a whole hell of a lot louder. Do they really want allies?
So you are already imagining how you will start an argument with your chosen words, but you dont think you are being argumentative?
Its like the athiests who get offended when you wish them merry christmas. Its a few words, that you generally agree with the colloquial meaning of. FFS.
Except BLM is the offended atheist. The rest of us are the kind that would be like “Thanks, happy holidays.” And the good Christians would be like “Thank you much!” And peace would be between them.
Edit: I’m not the “you must say Merry Christmas back to me” type.
Why would I have a white fishing buddy?
No. Donating money to BLM would.
And that’s not me imagining the start of an argument. Read that first line by what you assume to be me (fair enough). If that’s now considered the start of an argument, your movement is a danger.
The offending line.