More Proof of Global Warming Scam

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

It is even better when they ignore people because they dont like them personally. Scientists are far from benevolent white coat wearing geniuses just trying to figure out how things work.
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No they are just ordinary (educated) human beings. Aside from the controversy over climate modeling with simulations I don’t think any scientist is arguing against the greenhouse effect or that we release massive amounts of these gases as a world population.

By reputable I mean publishing in scientific journals with data with the express purpose of getting other scientists to either confirm or critique through replicating the experiment. What I’m definitely not talking about are articles published on conspiracy theory sites with absolutely no citations which is the only climate change denial literature I have ever seen on this site.

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[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

It is even better when they ignore people because they dont like them personally. Scientists are far from benevolent white coat wearing geniuses just trying to figure out how things work.
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No they are just ordinary (educated) human beings. Aside from the controversy over climate modeling with simulations I don’t think any scientist is arguing against the greenhouse effect or that we release massive amounts of these gases as a world population.

By reputable I mean publishing in scientific journals with data with the express purpose of getting other scientists to either confirm or critique through replicating the experiment. What I’m definitely not talking about are articles published on conspiracy theory sites with absolutely no citations which is the only climate change denial literature I have ever seen on this site.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

It is even better when they ignore people because they dont like them personally. Scientists are far from benevolent white coat wearing geniuses just trying to figure out how things work.
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No they are just ordinary (educated) human beings. Aside from the controversy over climate modeling with simulations I don’t think any scientist is arguing against the greenhouse effect or that we release massive amounts of these gases as a world population.

By reputable I mean publishing in scientific journals with data with the express purpose of getting other scientists to either confirm or critique through replicating the experiment. What I’m definitely not talking about are articles published on conspiracy theory sites with absolutely no citations which is the only climate change denial literature I have ever seen on this site.[/quote]

Peer Reviewed - just supports what i was saying before. Trust me, the peer review process is not exactly cut and dry, and a ton of the time it comes down to exactly what I was saying before. I have seen it dozens of times.

And I dont think anyone is arguing we dump tons of crap into the atmosphere. Just like volcanos do. I have seen numbers that it takes humans YEARS to release the the amount of “greenhouse gas” into the atmosphere that a single volcanic eruption does. The argument is whether these gases have the ability to change the climate, and whether we truly have enough of a role in the system to change anything that wasnt already going to happen.

Luckily enough, I also work with simulation (I love my job). And believe me, you can make a simulation say whatever you want. And even if it the wrong answer isnt deceitful, the slightest mistake in boundary conditions or modeling method will have profound impact on the outcome. Considering the data being used for these “models” (I use the term loosely) is suspect - they dont even follow a single locations temperature readings from year to year to get a trend, they will use different locations, talk about LOWSY methodology- these things lack any credibility in my eyes. We are talking about the same kind of models that cant even get withing 15 degrees of the temperature tomorrow when they have 100% of the information. But they expect to be taken seriously when they use limited data at best and useless crap data at worst to make predictions decades into the future and millions of years into the past?

Just because “scientific body A” hasnt approved some scientists papers doesnt mean it is wrong. Quite the contrary. I still debate with coworkers and others in biomechanics about a lot of the things Stuart McGill says (one of my favorite authors). He is published in peer reviewed journals, and I still cant get people to listen because they dont recognize the name or their mentor has never heard of him or worked with him. The scientific community reminds me a lot of high school, when I think about it…

EDIT- And it isnt like i am the guy that just wants to burn fossil fuels. We absolutely need alternative fuel sources. How idiotic the research is into those realms is another topic, though. We need renewable energy sources, but not because the sky is falling from all our polution…

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GE is hardly “the private sector” given the government handouts and special treatment given so they can remain a monopoly.

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Dumb Dumb, I mean Deorum, do you know what 300 million contributes to 6 billion? Not much at all. Should we as the United States cut our greenhouse gases, it would be a 5% contribution to the global problem. You know what’s happening in California, where we passed a statewide Global Warming Law? Gas and energy prices are going up, faster than in other states. You want to know how this scam works? Energy prices go up, people start looking for alternatives (mainly from solar panels). Then the same government agency (The California Air Resources Board) gets a kickback from the solar panel companies, being mainly made in China of course.

This is the government’s attempt to control where you live, how you travel, and how you live your life. Do you know what happens when you implement this on a national scale? You get Europe. Problem is, Europe was constructed with this in mind, the US not so much. You know what gas prices are in Europe? What we pay for a gallon, they pay for a LITER. Roughly 4 liters per gallon, you do the math. Liberal think tank peeps from Berkeley (note- Berkeley people are some of the most Liberal lunatics on the planet.) These are tree-hugging, no-showering, kinda mother fuckers who predict gas prices near $9/gallon. ← You have any idea what that would do to an economy that is already in the shitter?

Another side note, 38 million people in California, we are now talking about roughly .5% of the global population, on a notion that the corld is warming up by .1 degrees, which would be easily manipulated. All to cripple an economy on a fallacy.

Great job !

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This guy is pissed off!

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After being challenged the guy giving the speech says that earth hasn’t warmed since 1998.
Maybe you’d like to read this adressing that issue:

He was well prepared on talking points but I disagree with him on the substance of his issues.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Dumb Dumb, I mean Deorum, do you know what 300 million contributes to 6 billion? Not much at all. Should we as the United States cut our greenhouse gases, it would be a 5% contribution to the global problem. You know what’s happening in California, where we passed a statewide Global Warming Law? Gas and energy prices are going up, faster than in other states. You want to know how this scam works? Energy prices go up, people start looking for alternatives (mainly from solar panels). Then the same government agency (The California Air Resources Board) gets a kickback from the solar panel companies, being mainly made in China of course.

This is the government’s attempt to control where you live, how you travel, and how you live your life. Do you know what happens when you implement this on a national scale? You get Europe. Problem is, Europe was constructed with this in mind, the US not so much. You know what gas prices are in Europe? What we pay for a gallon, they pay for a LITER. Roughly 4 liters per gallon, you do the math. Liberal think tank peeps from Berkeley (note- Berkeley people are some of the most Liberal lunatics on the planet.) These are tree-hugging, no-showering, kinda mother fuckers who predict gas prices near $9/gallon. ← You have any idea what that would do to an economy that is already in the shitter?

Great job ![/quote]

2.7 billion in subsidies to lower gas prices to buy from a monopoly. Great conservative values guys!

Why not pay the true cost including the cost of negative externalities? I believe those are fundamental principles of economics.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:
After being challenged the guy giving the speech says that earth hasn’t warmed since 1998.
Maybe you’d like to read this adressing that issue:

He was well prepared on talking points but I disagree with him on the substance of his issues.[/quote]

Your link criticizes cherry picking of the data and then does just that.

It then goes on to admit the truth:
You could choose to look at the entire period of time since the end of the last ice age, around 10,000 years ago. Then the conclusion is that GHG warming has reversed a long and stable period of slight downward trend, and we are now at a global temperature not experienced in the history of human civilization – the entire Holocene. It will be many centuries until such a long view of today’s climate is available. The situation is a bit more urgent than that!

But then it claims the situation is urgent when it clearly is not.

The fact is we only have 100 years of good data (and some of that is questionable)

When you take the long view of the data, there is nothing to worry about.

If you play statistical games with the data you can make it look scary but then you have to come up with different methods to analyze each piece of data so you can hide the decline, eliminate the MWP, etc.

Don’t be fooled by these “climatologists”.

Asking them if there is GW is like asking the Pope if there is a God.

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Spain tried to implement Global Warming limits, their result? For every “green” job created, 2.2 regular jobs were lost. More Liberal economics at work here.

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Without question the biggest lie perpetrated on the masses in a very long time. To figure out why follow the money.

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A blood bank in California is looking to raise 1 million dollars by donations, why? Because of the statewide global warming law passed, they need to modify their vehicles to abide by the law. A fucking blood bank of all things !

Emergency vehicles, government vehicles are not exempt. Watch how the construction and trucking industry will go bankrupt over this horseshit.

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Energy and global warming news for December 24: Growing hypoxic zones reduce fish habitats; Ocean acidification may disrupt the marine nitrogen cycle

“An expanding zone of low oxygen, known as a hypoxic zone, in the Atlantic Ocean is encroaching upon these speciesâ?? preferred oxygen-abundant habitat, forcing them into shallower waters where they are more likely to be caught.”

“While these hypoxic zones occur naturally in many areas of the worldâ??s tropical and equatorial oceans, scientists are concerned because these zones are expanding and occurring closer to the sea surface, and are expected to continue to grow as sea temperatures rise.”

http://climateprogress.org/2010/12/24/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-december-24-growing-hypoxic-zones-reduce-fish-habitats-ocean-acidification-may-disrupt-the-marine-nitrogen-cycle/

“A year of deadly record-smashing weather extremes from Nashville to Moscow, from the Amazon to Pakistan, ended with staggering deluges from California â?? â??Rainfall records werenâ??t just broken, they were obliteratedâ?? â?? to Australia”

“â??The year 2010 now has the most national extreme heat records for a single yearâ??nineteen.”

http://climateprogress.org/2010/12/23/the-year-of-living-dangerously-masters-weather-extremes-climate-change/

Sorry climate change deniers–you lost a long time ago.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Energy and global warming news for December 24: Growing hypoxic zones reduce fish habitats; Ocean acidification may disrupt the marine nitrogen cycle

“An expanding zone of low oxygen, known as a hypoxic zone, in the Atlantic Ocean is encroaching upon these speciesâ?? preferred oxygen-abundant habitat, forcing them into shallower waters where they are more likely to be caught.”

“While these hypoxic zones occur naturally in many areas of the worldâ??s tropical and equatorial oceans, scientists are concerned because these zones are expanding and occurring closer to the sea surface, and are expected to continue to grow as sea temperatures rise.”

http://climateprogress.org/2010/12/24/energy-and-global-warming-news-for-december-24-growing-hypoxic-zones-reduce-fish-habitats-ocean-acidification-may-disrupt-the-marine-nitrogen-cycle/

“A year of deadly record-smashing weather extremes from Nashville to Moscow, from the Amazon to Pakistan, ended with staggering deluges from California â?? â??Rainfall records werenâ??t just broken, they were obliteratedâ?? â?? to Australia”

“â??The year 2010 now has the most national extreme heat records for a single yearâ??nineteen.”

http://climateprogress.org/2010/12/23/the-year-of-living-dangerously-masters-weather-extremes-climate-change/

Sorry climate change deniers–you lost a long time ago.[/quote]

That may have held water a little better if the movement as a whole hadn’t been exposed as being driven by a bunch of data manipulating, cash grabbing megalomaniacs and green product consumerism.

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40 degrees in Los Angeles, yay Global Fucking Warming. Yea right.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
40 degrees in Los Angeles, yay Global Fucking Warming. Yea right. [/quote]

Yup. We’ve been having one hell of a long cold snap here in western PA too, Since before thanksgiving. Last year was also record breaking number of days at or below freezing, with accumulations like I’ve never seen. The trout, which are only active or even survive within a certain window of water temp. did very well this year too. The natural reproduction was high, as was the holdover numbers and size of the stocked ones.

I wouldn’t be surprised if other places with glaciers weren’t seeing an increase in their size.

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Sorry climate change deniers–you lost a long time ago.[/quote]

I don’t think most people deny that the climate changes. We – I hope I can speak for most of us – are skeptical that man has a cause in it. And what’s worse is that the enviro-nazis cannot make up their mind weather it is “warming”, “cooling”, or just “changing”. It seems to me the argument has been stacked against science.

This agenda is purely to empower politicians and take freedom away from individuals – not about “saving the environment”.

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What a cop out, first it’s global warming, then it’s global weirding, then it’s climate change. Jesus Christ.

I am calling this right now…

Watch California take an even bigger dump when they fully implement their statewide Global Warming Act (aka AB32). The economy, jobs, and energy prices will become FUBAR on steroids.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:That may have held water a little better if the movement as a whole hadn’t been exposed as being driven by a bunch of data manipulating, cash grabbing megalomaniacs and green product consumerism.
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They haven’t been. Put your money where your mouth is and back it up, or admit what is obvious to anyone who didn’t totally sleep through high school science classes: climate change is having very obvious, documented effects (which you totally ignored, by the way).

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:That may have held water a little better if the movement as a whole hadn’t been exposed as being driven by a bunch of data manipulating, cash grabbing megalomaniacs and green product consumerism.
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They haven’t been. Put your money where your mouth is and back it up, or admit what is obvious to anyone who didn’t totally sleep through high school science classes: climate change is having very obvious, documented effects (which you totally ignored, by the way).
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Your supporting evidence comes from a high school science class? No wonder you are lost in the sauce.