[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Your stance is for abortion and claim it does not involve killing a life. Yet you do NOT understand embryology. Interesting.[/quote]
You know nothing of my stance, despite me repeatedly explaining it. When you learn to read, get back to me.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So you HAVE set foot in Chile? I have yet to hear back from my friends in Chile, yet you feel justified in spreading ignorance and NO solution to ending abortion? Interesting.[/quote]
The law is the law. I don’t give a fuck if you hear back from your friends or not, Chilean law on abortion is the most restrictive in the world, and does not allow for rape or incest.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
yet you feel justified in spreading ignorance and NO solution to ending abortion[/quote]
That would be you, not me. You still haven’t shown a solution that would work in society TODAY. Unless you have a time machine to two decades ago, your ideas so far are useless.
You never once have said abortion is wrong. You stance is women should have the option to kill an embryo. Is your stance different now, or simply using different adjectives?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Your stance is for abortion and claim it does not involve killing a life. Yet you do NOT understand embryology. Interesting.[/quote]
You know nothing of my stance, despite me repeatedly explaining it. When you learn to read, get back to me.[/quote]
So where are these problems you insist that would occur when America adopts a similar stance?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So you HAVE set foot in Chile? I have yet to hear back from my friends in Chile, yet you feel justified in spreading ignorance and NO solution to ending abortion? Interesting.[/quote]
The law is the law. I don’t give a fuck if you hear back from your friends or not, Chilean law on abortion is the most restrictive in the world, and does not allow for rape or incest.[/quote]
So how does the law NOT work in Chile? Because America has been so wrong, for so long you THINK that abortion can NOT end? How is this something you know? Because you think you know about the world, as you sit behind a computer on a tiny island?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
yet you feel justified in spreading ignorance and NO solution to ending abortion[/quote]
That would be you, not me. You still haven’t shown a solution that would work in society TODAY. Unless you have a time machine to two decades ago, your ideas so far are useless.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
You never once have said abortion is wrong. You stance is women should have the option to kill an embryo. Is your stance different now, or simply using different adjectives?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Your stance is for abortion and claim it does not involve killing a life. Yet you do NOT understand embryology. Interesting.[/quote]
You know nothing of my stance, despite me repeatedly explaining it. When you learn to read, get back to me.[/quote]
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His stance is that if women could take a pill as safe as tylenol to carry out an abortion, there wouldn’t even be anything to talk about. High abortion rates or not.
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[quote]Makavali wrote:
This is the argument we seem to inevitably devolve into, we spend pages upon pages discussing what it is to be human, and no realistic solutions are provided.
We can all agree that reducing abortion rates would be a good thing - now how do we do it? Is there a better way than education and access to contraception?[/quote]
Yes, education and responsibility.[/quote]
And access to contraception fits in here where? You are still following an idealistic road, making some very false assumptions about the basic nature of man.[/quote]
An assumption that has proven true for 2000-3000 years, or yours? Trust me, you wouldn’t like my thoughts on the ‘basic nature of man.’ However, as a man with a will, we don’t have to allow concupiscence to rule our life.
[quote]Oleena wrote:
The truth is, if someone was able to pull a fetus out at 4 weeks and suspend it right there at that stage for the rest of it’s life, I wouldn’t consider it my equal in terms of being a living human. If they pulled it out a two weeks, and kept it alive for 30 years at the two week stage, I really wouldn’t consider it an equal in terms of deserving of rights. It seems to me that a great ape or a dolfin would have hundreds of times more awareness and right to life than a two week fetus being suspended at that stage for 30 years. This may seem like a straw argument because fetuses have the potential to grow, but many on here are arguing that even without potential taken into consideration, a fetus deserves equal rights. This is my argument that it doesn’t. [/quote]
You’re right that the unborn is less aware in its early development. The unborn is not thinking or self-aware until much later. But how does level of development determine our value? Aren’t there many humans outside the womb who are less aware and have elementary thinking skills compared to others? If self-awareness, development, and thinking gives us value don’t those of us with more ability than others have more value than those with less?
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Let me guess, we need to spend a couple billion a year to find that one 12 year old who hasn’t heard of contraception. “Education.” Perhaps you mean mailing off a supply of rubbers to our children monthly, with instructions on alternative sex such as dry-humping.
You’re of the type who broke our moral culture in the first place. You’ve no real voice in this topic. You and the ephrems of the west have failed. You destroyed the family. You destroyed our demographic future. You destoyed communities of poor, and of the recently liberated. You destroyed prudence. You destroyed self-control. You destroyed public expectations and valuable social tools such as shame. Yet, you still think you have anything of any value to add? You’ve nothing to offer but vile and despicable ‘solutions’ to problems created by your own leftist claptrap. No thanks. [/quote]
Let me ask a more simple question. As a social libertarian, I too am probably somewhat “responsible” for all these horrors of which you speak. But libertarianism has always, ALWAYS preached personal responisibility.[/quote]
Libertarianism is more repugnant than leftism. At least the leftist understood what the breakdown of the traditional family, morals, and norms would bring. And they argued for it, used it, and cheered it on. Can’t say they’re stupid.
Meanwhile, libertarians are still repeating the same stupid social liberalism mantra. Congrats, you helped the left shape the perfect culture, the most needy of citizens, for an enduring nanny state. One which can’t be reigned in by any real measure–even in the face of soaring deficits. Libertarianism was still-born when it tried to merge social liberalism with market liberalism. Not. Going. To. Happen.
Libertarians talk out of both sides of their mouth, for no more than 10 seconds (if that) about morality and shameful behavior. “Well, don’t do anything I wouldn’t do. But if you’re going to, don’t let anyone make you feel bad for doing it! Hyuck-hyuck!” The smallest government will always be possible with a prudent and highly conservative people. No less. Libertarianism is the indirect big-government philosophy of the incredibly short-sighted and stubbornly ignorant.[/quote]
Glad that you were ablr to burn your own strawman.
Must have felt good.
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I think I understand your anger. It must sting to realize you’re the tool of collectivism.[/quote]
holy shit you’re unreal…you do understand that if a person isnt a conservative that they arent necessarily libertarians or if you dont support the right that doesnt mean your a leftist…there are people in between that support both sides of the argument…you sound like those brainwashed propaganda pushing tools on fox news blaming the left and libertarians for everything thats wrong with society[/quote]
Class of '09 fails again. ZOMBIE ATTACK!!!
