I don’t think you can logically and rationally decide to end your life if you are of sound physical and mental health. If you choose death over life then something is very wrong with you, no matter how well you think you can explain it.
In any case, I have no issue with people that choose to end it all. I can only imagine the amount of pain that someone would have to endure before ceasing to exist becomes a viable option. Seeing as how I’ve never been in that position, and have never had to endure such things, I wouldn’t dare pass judgement.
Isn’t it considered an honorable thing to do in certain situtations in some asian countries? I don’t know but myself I would first spend all my money on whores and booze and really fuck up my life to no end then think about it. I mean really if you just don’t give a fuck, you can get away with a lot of shit.
[quote]Otep wrote:
With rare exceptions, people who commit suicide are cowards.
If you’ve decided your life has no meaning, it’s time to start living it for others. This isn’t so you can find meaning, it’s because the fact that you can act and think can still be put to good use, and even if you can’t use it, others can.[/quote]
i’ve tried a few times for the hell of it. ya kno the saying “you never know when its over?” i like to think I can control that time with my own hand. Its a freeing philosophy. I don’t see it as giving up…its a oh shit i wanna see whats after this!1 its exciting[/quote]
I don’t think “tried” is the right way of saying that, if you really tried and failed, then you’re proving to yourself that you don’t have control. Maybe “have come close intentionally.”
Agree with what other people have said as far as I think you’re entitled to do what you want personally. And it can be selfish if you don’t take into consideration the effects it will have on others, but hell were all in it for ourselves anyway (even if you don’t think you are). Morality- in itself is very complicated.
Personally, will never see a reason for suicide myself, but eh if somebody wants to…, the only reason somebody would stop them is for their own (maybe selfish) reasons. So who says which is the more important or correct reasoning?
Responding to the OP rather than the various twists and turns we’ve taken…
Yes, there are things that are still “wrong.” There are many who could potentially still be hurt by the suicide, such as friends and family, and inflicting that pain upon them when they have done their best by you is “wrong.” Especially if your parents invested a lot of time into you and you’re loosely considered their retirement insurance, or their comforter in old age.
That said, I believe there are circumstances when it is still the right choice. However, I think those circumstances come up very, very rarely, and if one were to focus their mind and body, I believe most who were contemplating that choice would find that they were not one of those few.
Suicide is the ultimate display of self-confidence. You know it’s the final, most decisive action you’ll ever take (unless you aren’t serious about it, then you’re just an attention grubbing whore). Even armed with that thought, there are those who go through with it. Almost always, we leave an option open to us. But not in this case. This is the supreme decision. There are no other avenues once this one is decided.
There are different types of people who commit suicide. Those who want to live, but life has become unbearably difficult. Whether it be from a relationship, job, uncontrolable bowels, etc. These people don’t really want to die, but see it as easier than living. I think these people can and should be counseled. Conversely, there are those who have no interest in life. There is no pain or suffering, but they just don’t see a reason to continue living. Their passion is not life. They are looking for reasons to live, as opposed to the aforementioned, who have reason to die. When they run out of reasons to continue living, what else is there?
[quote]Otep wrote:
With rare exceptions, people who commit suicide are cowards.
If you’ve decided your life has no meaning, it’s time to start living it for others. This isn’t so you can find meaning, it’s because the fact that you can act and think can still be put to good use, and even if you can’t use it, others can.[/quote]
i’ve tried a few times for the hell of it. ya kno the saying “you never know when its over?” i like to think I can control that time with my own hand. Its a freeing philosophy. I don’t see it as giving up…its a oh shit i wanna see whats after this!1 its exciting[/quote]
You mean you’ve “tried” to commit suicide a few times?
If you’d really wanted to, I don’t think you’d still be around. [/quote]
Pretty much. Rock man, step up your game.
Remember: across the road, not down it.[/quote]
You got it wrong it is down the road, not across the street.
[quote]sevenmoist wrote:
Isn’t it considered an honorable thing to do in certain situtations in some asian countries? I don’t know but myself I would first spend all my money on whores and booze and really fuck up my life to no end then think about it. I mean really if you just don’t give a fuck, you can get away with a lot of shit.[/quote]
I am not an expert, but it is like honor killing. Stress in the Chinese family can be very high, so when children or a family member fucks up and dishonors the family to regain honor in that family the person kills them self.
My buddy’s mom shot herself in the heart 3 years ago because she could not adjust to life without his dad, who had died from cancer couple years before that.
I understand that she just wanted to escape the pain that she felt in life, but all she did was passed it on to her only child.
I hate to call her immoral, she was a great lady who always called me her second son, but it’s just not morally right to do that to people who care about you.
[quote]sevenmoist wrote:
Isn’t it considered an honorable thing to do in certain situtations in some asian countries? I don’t know but myself I would first spend all my money on whores and booze and really fuck up my life to no end then think about it. I mean really if you just don’t give a fuck, you can get away with a lot of shit.[/quote]
I am not an expert, but it is like honor killing. Stress in the Chinese family can be very high, so when children or a family member fucks up and dishonors the family to regain honor in that family the person kills them self.[/quote]
I, too, am not an expert, however I feel that I might be slightly more informed on this topic than you. I have never heard of this occurring in Chinese cultures (and there are many), but I have heard of it happening in back in the day Japan. We’re talking samurai walking around back in the day. At that point, I believe it was considered a way to mitigate damage done to honor, either personal or familial. Also, there were supposedly situations in which it was the only honorable alternative.
[quote]johnnytang24 wrote:
Suicide is the ultimate display of self-confidence. You know it’s the final, most decisive action you’ll ever take (unless you aren’t serious about it, then you’re just an attention grubbing whore). Even armed with that thought, there are those who go through with it. Almost always, we leave an option open to us. But not in this case. This is the supreme decision. There are no other avenues once this one is decided.
There are different types of people who commit suicide. Those who want to live, but life has become unbearably difficult. Whether it be from a relationship, job, uncontrolable bowels, etc. These people don’t really want to die, but see it as easier than living. I think these people can and should be counseled. Conversely, there are those who have no interest in life. There is no pain or suffering, but they just don’t see a reason to continue living. Their passion is not life. They are looking for reasons to live, as opposed to the aforementioned, who have reason to die. When they run out of reasons to continue living, what else is there?[/quote]
Right on the money. COuldn;t have said it better myself. I Like how you accurately separated the two groups and recognized suicide for the difficult and serious decision that it is.