As a side bar, anybody conservative and on social media?
I am not, but I thought it might be prudent to start a hash tag or something like #rightiesagaistracists or something like that. A place where conservatives can pledge despite the way the media portrays us, that we despise and are 10000000000% against neo nazis, kkk and other racist assholes and we are nothing like that.
I hate it when they call these dicks alt-right. They try to make racists of us all and we are not.
However, I am not willing to join twitter or whatever. I just don’t have use for it. I did it for a month and I hated it, twitter that is.
I would, but I just can’t stand virtue signaling. That, and the people I’m friends with on facebook are also real life friends and family, so they know how I am regardless of political affiliation.
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I personally believe identity politics is harmful. Seems to lead to a victim mentality and victims need help, they cannot help.
I admit I need to look into it deeper, that’s just my impression. So I will do more research for a fairer opinion.
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Well, I showed my ignorance of social media. Vitrue signaling, huh? When I think about it, it sounds like that.
I just don’t want to be associated in anyway with racist, ignorant assholes and I figured others would feel the same.
Wait, I just virtue signaled…damn it!
@ Identity Politics.
This article by Mark Lillia is good, and it naturally sparked lots of debate.
Some of the arguments for and against here. “Lilla’s piece struck chords – consonant and dissonant – with scholars and other thinkers across disciplines and political persuasions. Some responded directly or with their own think pieces on the perceived ills or value of identity liberalism or its much-critiqued cousin, identity politics.”
The guy in the article is an amazing person. He changed hearts and he was just himself. I think it goes to prove that talking to each other is more effective then holding signs and shouting in the streets. He also had no fear and he had reason to fear.
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Making judgments about people, law, and justice based on gender, race, ethnicity, and/or sexual orientation? Yeah… I’m glad you’re on my side now. Thank you for explicitly stating it is innately supremacist ideology.
could a group of white people engage in identity politics for white issues and not be racist?
No. They are the dominant oppressor culture. Just being white makes you guilty.
Check your priveledge.
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Correction - you had to go to Russia. You first trip abroad had to be to the USSR. High school seniors and college students had to go by default.
Imagine spending the equivalent of your spring break in the Soviet Union. You couldn’t drink or get laid because you were constantly watched by the KGB and the only thing you could spend your money on was sauerkraut and fur hats.
This was a regular feature on train stations during communism - a bunch of miserable, exhausted 18 year olds coming back from the USSR with a shitload of fur hats.
I’m just gonna leave this here - postomodernism, Marxist and identity politics.
I found a yellowed book about antifa. Well, it’s not a book about antifa per se, but a communist era how-to manual about the subversion of Western democracies that encompasses Trotsky’s and Drzezhinski’s (founder of Cheka aka KGB aka FSB) works and they’re following it to the letter.
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I liked the entire lecture from that clip above, Loppar. Excellent if you haven’t watched it in it’s entirety.
He does a good job with Hitler, and also explaining to people about the capability of cruelty, the Nazi prison guard, that lurks in each of us. This is a good little clip, just over 4 minutes for people who want to get an idea. He’s a gem.
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BuBu But…
They have the moral high ground because they’re fighting the other people we don’t like?
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Another thing - this whole “white privilege” thing is such a deeply evil Marxist concept.
To quote the famous Israeli-Hungarian novelist Ephraim Kishon “communism is a political system in which the individual is responsible for words and actions of his parents and grandparents”
Can you imagine not being able to hold a job above janitorial because your father had a small business? You were privileged, and the system was simply correcting a gross historical injustice.
Whenever my mother applied for a job, her job application would be stamped with red (naturally) words “warning - grandfather owned a factory”. Quite a “check your privilege.”
Here it’s just expanded to whichever arbitrary group - racial, social, gender - the “check your privilege” accuser decides.
Thanks, I think I watched over 20 hours of Jordan Peterson’s videos so far 
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Thought-provoking piece. And the concurrent posting of the responses-article was helpful and enriching. Kudos.
Not sure how you accomplish the leap from (in your words) “making judgments” to “innately supremacist.” (An easy counterfactual: I’m currently making a judgment about your argument, but am not finding it ‘innately supreme.’) Idiosyncratic, like I said before.
I dealt with this very issue previously:
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You are differentiated treatment and law based on race and gender. You just did it right there. You think that if a white person and a black person do the same thing one is a racist and the other isn’t. You are espousing racism. And I hate to break it to you but on white people can be the oppressed minority. Again the fact that you think they can’t based exclusively on their whiteness is racist. There are plenty of legit claims to damages that can be made by white people.
If you focus on treating legislation and action based on race, you are a racist. Identity politics regarding race are explicitly racist by design. Identity politics based on gender are explicitly sexist. Racism has nothing to do with who is oppressed. You admit that what the white supremacists do is identity politics. You just think it’s a good thing when black people do exactly the same thing. You liking it doesn’t change what it is.
@EyeDentist - very recent book came out, “The Once and Future Liberal”, by Mark Lilla (which @anon71262119 mentioned above re: his article, which is an extension of his book). I recommend it - it’s a liberal political science professor criticizing identity politics as a wrong turn, and what should come after.
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If I understand what you mean here, it’s correct.
Don’t you? For example, if a black person uses the N-word, it isn’t racist. If a white person does, it (usually) is. Do you disagree?
“Can be”? What does that even mean? Are you claiming white people are an oppressed minority or aren’t you?
Per your idiosyncratic worldview, yes. But not in my view, or that of many, many other people.
I’m fairly certain I have not endorsed black-supremacism.
I think I got the gist of it from @anon71262119’s link.
As an aside, if a reactive policy based on certain communities being currently lower in the economic spectrum is desirable (which i would agree with @EyeDentist that it is) I think a legal approach tied to statistical risk affords that without sacrificing the equality before the law.
Higher investment automatically being increased for the most statistically impoverished areas perhaps, or something like that. When the area escapes that, it goes to more normal levels.
EDIT: This would also be combined with organisations being set up to improve the area with a specific set lifetime of getting them out of the doldrums, that would dissolve on achieving it.
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Some white people are oppressed and some are not. Same as every “race” on the planet.
It isn’t an idiosyncratic view, it’s a factual view based on English and definitions and reality. You not believing something doesn’t change reality. Racial identity politics is synonyms with racist politics. You believe different races should have different rights. This is the definition of racism. You believe black people have the right to do things that white people do not regardless individual circumstance, merit, or character. Skin matters more than character to you in at least some circumstances.
The ironic part of all this that always gets me is that, accepting the left’s view of the truth of identity politics, the Nazis have a point. If races are collectively culpable and justice is based on the merits of the race, there are 2 valid ways to look at the statistics. One interpretation is that it’s the system holding the minorities back. The other valid interpretation is that white people built most everything and minorities commit a disproportionate amount of crime. If identity politics are valid, holding blacks accountable for black crime is appropriate. There is no culture more appropriated than white culture. At the very least giving validity to identity politics with an “open” mind should open you to either possibility. They are 2 sides of the very same coin both starting from the same base ideology. (to be crystal clear this is not my view, it is the logical conclusion of yours)
And even then, rejecting the minorities commit too much crime interpretation, honest identity politics would be talking about Asian privilege and Jewish privilege, since they are on top of the economic (and even IQ) ladder not whites. Though in defense of the common SJW, many do go after and try to tear down “Jewish privilege” even though they are the most persecuted minority in the world (which again just shows how stupid identity politics are).
You’re going to have to unpack that statement for me (if you want me to understand your point).
Words have definitions–denotations–but they also have overtones and implications–connotations. If I understand your position, you are clinging adamantly to the denotations of words such as racism, sexism, etc, while refusing to acknowledge the existence of their legitimate, essentially universal connotations. To do so is idiosyncratic.
I have said nothing remotely like “races are collectively culpable.”
I would challenge the validity of this interpretation.
Ditto.
And again.
I don’t think the word privilege means what you think it does (in this context).
@EyeDentist, may I suggest you take a look at some of Jordan Peterson’s lectures in which his discusses these exact topics with much more coherence and background knowledge that anyone here could muster?