Moonbeam Signs Dream Act

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Ratchet wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I think biggest scam ever is a bit of a stretch don’t you think. In 3.5 years of college I doubled my pre-college income. My wife went from $8 bucks an hour to over 60K a year. We are debt free. I’m pretty sure college is a great opportunity maker. It’s just not for everyone and not every major is equally valuable. [/quote]

The piece of paper is necessary to compete with other people who also have that same piece of paper but that piece of paper was not necessary in the first place.

College is the biggest waste of time for 99.9% of the people who end up going. And, in fact, I would say it needs to go back to the old days where higher education was only for the best and brightest people who would have a career in academia.

American college is a joke and basically nothing more than an optional yet glorified high school.

Let me reiterate: BIGGEST. SCAM. EVER!

You don’t learn in a class room. You learn from doing.[/quote]

thats not completely true, there are many learning styles, some learn from reading, some learn from seeing and the rest learn from doing. You can take tests to see how you best learn, ima doer, which is why all my degrees are “blank” technology because i am a hands on learner…

I think college is a scam in that almost all colleges increase tuition 8-12% every year and increase “staff” 650% in the past 10 years while faculty (the ones I am there to learn from) have only increased 5% in 10 years… kinda messed up but lets you realize why the costs keep going up.
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Once someone learns to read they can then learn to think and then they can learn whatever they want for free via the interwebz.

Education is a life long process whereas college is just seen by most as an endpoint necessary only to prove to potential employers that they can jump through hoops and follow instructions.

Some of the most successful people in the world never went to college or once they were there decided to quit and get a jump on their peers actually creating stuff. Steve Jobs, may he RIP, for example.[/quote]

Most people are not Steve Jobs. They need college on their resume if they even hope to get their foot in the door for any company that offers something remotely close to a career. Certain careers even require college. Steve Jobs couldn’t have been an accountant without going to college it’s that simple. No matter how much of a genius he was he could not have ever become a CPA without going to college.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Most people are not Steve Jobs. They need college on their resume if they even hope to get their foot in the door for any company that offers something remotely close to a career. Certain careers even require college. Steve Jobs couldn’t have been an accountant without going to college it’s that simple. No matter how much of a genius he was he could not have ever become a CPA without going to college. [/quote]

Then we agree because that is exactly what I said, albeit in a different way.

If you were one of Steve Jobs friends or peers you could have quit school and gone to work with him and learned more working along side him than you ever would have in college.

One doesn’t necessarily have to be a “Steve Jobs” but rather just be in the right place at the right time.

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Stop the Dream Act, we have over 5000 volunteers doing signature petitions for a referendum within only 4 days of the bill being signed.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Most people are not Steve Jobs. They need college on their resume if they even hope to get their foot in the door for any company that offers something remotely close to a career. Certain careers even require college. Steve Jobs couldn’t have been an accountant without going to college it’s that simple. No matter how much of a genius he was he could not have ever become a CPA without going to college. [/quote]

Then we agree because that is exactly what I said, albeit in a different way.

If you were one of Steve Jobs friends or peers you could have quit school and gone to work with him and learned more working along side him than you ever would have in college.

One doesn’t necessarily have to be a “Steve Jobs” but rather just be in the right place at the right time.[/quote]

You can’t just, “be in the right place at the right time,” to be a CPA so how do we agree. I am saying college is essential for most people you made it pretty clear you think college is a scam. The only thing we do absolutely agree on is that a lot of college is a waste and a lot of majors are a waste.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You can’t just, “be in the right place at the right time,” to be a CPA so how do we agree. I am saying college is essential for most people you made it pretty clear you think college is a scam. The only thing we do absolutely agree on is that a lot of college is a waste and a lot of majors are a waste. [/quote]

Have you ever heard of an apprenticeship? This is how it used to be done and was a very effective way of training people into a career.

College these days serves mostly as an added protection to these professions’ incomes because it cuts out a lot of competition in the market. It is often accompanied by licensing:

"The Uniform CPA Examination protects the public interest by helping to ensure that only qualified individuals become licensed as U.S. Certified Public Accountants (CPAs). Individuals seeking to qualify as CPAs â?? the only licensed qualification in accounting â?? are required to pass the CPA Examination. "

It’s just adding and subtracting. Imagine if you didn’t have to remember all those stupid regulatory rules it would take you a month to master at most and that’s assuming you’re slow.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You can’t just, “be in the right place at the right time,” to be a CPA so how do we agree. I am saying college is essential for most people you made it pretty clear you think college is a scam. The only thing we do absolutely agree on is that a lot of college is a waste and a lot of majors are a waste. [/quote]

Have you ever heard of an apprenticeship? This is how it used to be done and was a very effective way of training people into a career.

College these days serves mostly as an added protection to these professions’ incomes because it cuts out a lot of competition in the market. It is often accompanied by licensing:

"The Uniform CPA Examination protects the public interest by helping to ensure that only qualified individuals become licensed as U.S. Certified Public Accountants (CPAs). Individuals seeking to qualify as CPAs â?? the only licensed qualification in accounting â?? are required to pass the CPA Examination. "

It’s just adding and subtracting. Imagine if you didn’t have to remember all those stupid regulatory rules it would take you a month to master at most and that’s assuming you’re slow.[/quote]

In order to become licensed as a CPA you need 150 credit hours, I believe 30 of which must be specific accounting courses, from an accredited university before becoming a licensed CPA in MD. Even further you have to have 120 credit hours (30 accounting in MD) to even sit for the CPA exam starting this year. Further still you have to take a certain amount of CPE course work each year to maintain your license once acquired. This cannot be accomplished through an apprenticeship, internship, or even decades of accounting work.

It would also take far more than a month to master every other aspect of accounting even without regulations. I would estimate a year without breaks at minimum.

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Believe me if an accounting apprenticeship existed I would have done that, even if it took 10 years to complete, over going to college for damn near 4 to get the degree.