GMOs.
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I believe your math is offā¦
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Itās a good verse. Thanks.
But, like, if I admittedly spent, oh, an estimated total of fifteen years of my life often being miserable, you do know I wouldnāt want repeats of such a feeling, right?
I donāt seek sympathy one bit. Iāve gotten and do have more than enough support and fun times from from friends, family, and even some co-workers in the past. Just one summer ago, I had 80 people over my humble abode for an event, and if some didnāt have other plans, the list wouldāve swelled to over 100. Thatās just an example, not something to brag about.
So, the depressed, suicidal-ideating days are over.
Iāve had to go to some public events alone in the past year because of kids, or people couldnāt go with me, go to the gym, and I have people often start talking to me. So, obviously the disposition changed from appearing aloof and uninterested to welcoming or fun.
All I thought was, āT-mag has a crowd a step above the average bodybuilding forums in which off topics are discussed. The people there seem to be intelligent and sophisticated (some are). It might be a forum in which I can even share a weakness or miserable experiences. That is, be transparent, but not share an entire life story.ā
So, as unsavory as the topics of depression and loneliness are, I thought I could share my rake, including the incel topic and societal trends.
I cannot control sarcasm, and I find it funny sometimes. However I canāt wrap my head around why some in here are expressing such an OP is unimportant or uninteresting and then continue to speak about it or dismiss it. It is reduced to simply not getting laid. Of course itās fine to talk about it, but thatās what I donāt get.
It SEEMS to me we have a few in here who are so attractive they have to figuratively or literally fight women off with a stick, have robust social lives, were usually in a healthy environment, and so on. I wish misery on no one! Why would I? But if no one here has experienced a feeling of being unwanted, had no trouble connecting with others, specifically women, or of being alienated, real or imagined, why bother then? It worked out for you! God bless! You can ignore it.
As can be seen Iāve deleted posts that I felt were way too open after posting and reading.
This doesnāt mean I need anyone to constantly agree with me or notice what I notice or take interest in what Iām interested in talking about.
Wouldnāt you say in this entire thread that basically a consensus hasnāt been reached that this isnāt a ānewā problem nor one that is particularly worth worrying about? At least not one with any more weight over other types of radical ideologies like an antifa or white supremacist? Both of whom may have their fair share of incels.
Iām just not buying that we have a large amount of males who are actively seeking relationships (not updating the incel wiki and complaining that you canāt fat shame) in an order much higher than before. It would seem minus greenboy being mad about small penis jokes that almost every once else is in agreement.
I offer the null hypothesis that those people HAVE contributed, but that the way they overcame was through the methods expressed here which appear to be disregarding the issue.
I had issues connecting with people until I quit taking myself (and existence as a whole) so seriously. I feel like others have offered similar methods of success: fundamentally understanding that the issue was within rather than from the outside.
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OK, Iāll take that. Maybe all the bickering throws me off. Sorry if I came off overly dramatic or whatever. 
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I donāt think this is a fair way to think about what Iām saying. Iāve dealt with almost all of that stuff at times. Iām single in my late 30ās after two long relationships that werenāt terrible or anything, but needed to end when they did. Iāve just grown along the way and donāt struggle with my old social problems like I use to. Iām on to new problems.
And itās not like Iām a 10. Maybe a 6 or a 7 to the right gal. I was certainly more handsome 20 years ago, but for some reason I do better with women now. Almost as if thereās something women find attractive about me now that they didnāt back then. Maybe this is all due to the various forces at work in the background of culture and society, or maybe I just got my shit together and matured.
The concerns of incels are much lower on the hierarchy of needs. This isnāt a couples advice thread. Weāre talking about the inability of getting a date and/or getting laid. Guys who canāt seem to get the connection process initiated and off to a good start. Or even a bad start, but with sex.
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Iāve had problems in quite literally every aspect of life and every stage of development.
The women thing has been the only part not completely fucked up. It has actually been somewhat of a refuge, which may be a little screwey in its own way.
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I know some guys like this.
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Screaming SJWs irritate the living shit out of me. But then, I do recall outrage in the 80s from different groups of people which were actually funny in a era where they didnāt even have social media platforms:
Controversy and censorship[edit]
Silent Night, Deadly Night was one of the most controversial films of the 1980s due to its advertising campaign, particularly its posters and TV spots, that made significant emphasis on the killer being dressed as Santa Claus.[6] The PTA fought to have this film removed from theaters due to its subject matter and the fact that it was shown around Christmas, although an earlier film with a similar premise, Christmas Evil , had gone unnoticed. Television advertisements, which aired between episodes of family-friendly series such as Threeās Company and Little House on the Prairie , led to parents complaining that their children were terrified of Santa Claus.[3] Large crowds (mostly angry families) formed at theaters and malls around the nation to protest the film; at the filmās East Coast premiere at the Interboro Quad Theater in The Bronx in New York City, protesters picketed the theater and sang Christmas carols in protest.[7]
In response, TriStar Pictures, the filmās original distributor, pulled all ads for the film six days after its release on November 15, 1984.[3] The film itself was also withdrawn shortly thereafter, due to the controversy.[8] In response to the public outcry, producer Ira Barmak told People magazine: āPeople have taken offense at Santa being used in a scary contextā¦ Santa Claus is not a religious figure, heās a mythic character. I didnāt deliberately ride roughshod over that sensitivity and I didnāt anticipate the objection to it.ā[9] An editorial published in Variety stated: āMost protests were generated by the feeling that the depiction of a killer in a Santa Claus suit would traumatize children and undermine their traditional trust in Santa Claus.ā[3]
Note:
This is the film series that gave us this truly magnificent scene:
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A whole 10 hours laterā¦
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I think people with opposing opinions have responded to you in essentially two ways: one is sincere sympathy and, as appropriate to the responder, talk of their own struggles along similar lines. The other addresses what youāre proposing as the root causes of the things youāve experienced, and here youāve received earnest disagreement along with acknowledgement of some of your points, with supporting explanation and at times evidence.
You are mistaking response to others who are loosely agreeing with you - primarily greenboy, but now adding deandre - as being directed to you or the topic at hand, but the responses have to do with the personality of āyour team,ā and foster the assumption on the part of people arguing with them that THIS is why they are unhappy, unsuccessful, or what have you. Weāre in a mixed-age group and these guys are doing variations on āewwww, imaging having to fuck someone with saggy tits,ā insulting othersā intelligence, name-calling, and etc. You canāt imagine that these guys arenāt going to receive hostility and mockery in return. That they are agreeing with you does not make their comments acceptable or worthy of polite discussion. You have backed off on greenboy somewhat as time has gone on, but in general you seem to cover these clowns with your approval, e.g. āwhat greenboy and I have observed.ā In so doing, you make his contributions to the discussion fair game, but mostly what heās saying is that women are icky. Thoughtful posters are insulted - @twojarslave lives in a remote mud bog, for example, so has no idea of the world around him. I would have to imagine that my participation would be prized by anyone looking to seriously discuss these topics as I am on the inside of several of the elements under question here. I am female and have relatively recently dated after a long absence from that marketplace, I spend my days talking intimately to every sort of person (at work Iāve just sent three young women back to college, the actual target demographic of the thread), I happen to have fairly recently attended a large university and obtained a graduate degree in social work, etc. And I am willing to respectfully share my experiences, observations, and hard data, along with being eager to hear from others of their own experiences.
But I have never been treated with less respect than in these threads about women not liking men. Why, Brick?
Over and over again thoughtful posters have stated their cases, whether they be anecdotal and geared to their overcoming of difficulty, or evidential and geared to disputing things like historic trends.
The few in here who are
Seem to me to be trying to talk about what might create these positive conditions so that you, as someone with concern for these young men, can pass along information that will HELP, rather than further depress.
Way back when, you got angry with me for disagreeing with angry chicken and orion and their ilk, but BOTH grew and changed over time. Last we heard from him, AC had determined that heād been the victim of his own selection bias - he chose terrible women (tho hot) and then had terrible experiences. As far as I know, heās moved into satisfying, healthy relationships. I would like to believe that the discussions/arguments on this site had some influence and played a part in what I hope is his eventual happiness.
People arenāt bragging, theyāre sharing their insight or hard-earned experience, same as youād coach someone struggling in the gym and repeatedly getting hurt.
My family was terrible and I really wanted healthy, happy children. I read books, of course, but I also asked people with good kids what they did. I didnāt look at them with scorn and think āwow, must be nice to be so lucky,ā though they probably WERE lucky compared to me, as most people who raise children well have had good childhoods themselves. But it would have been self-defeating to focus on the deck that was stacked against me.
You have others in here talking about decks stacked against, but you have a tendency to pass over othersā opennesses and vulnerabilities in favor of reading negatively.
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Thanks for the response. Iāll try to get back to it later but when I wrote that, I didnāt imply people are bragging. There are people out there who are actually very attractive. And when I handled my own situation, I attracted people too, obviously! Come to think of it, there were always some people attracted to me, but as you know, cognitive distortions are a part of a few mental conditions.
Iāll have you know that my mud bog is hardly remote. We have several places to buy bait, alcohol and ammunition. Teenagers can go hang out at the mall, just like them city folk do.
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Add in some corn meal, yeast and sugar for the still and what more could you possibly need?
If you need anything more than that youāll need the bush pilot to bring it in. Itās too bad sheās not single. Marge is a great catch in these parts.
Donāt forget that family reunions are great places to pick up women.
This thread may have been ābetterā had the whole INCEL term, which carries certain baggage, was not mentioned. It should just have been about how do lonely men, who may be socially awkward, meet women in this day and age.
Once you add incel and Molyneaux, whether you like it or not, inevitably misogyny, race, antisemitism, etc., will follow. All of those beliefs form part of his thesis to explain why INCELS exist and, more importantly, he contributes to their existence by telling INCELS (and future INCELS) that this is why they exist.
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I like to grab a bag of pork skins when Iām out on the town.
Obviously one of you Lotharios snapped her up. Game for miles! And not much elseā¦ lol
For me the problem was that I was afraid of men, and so attached very quickly and securely to guys/men who were attracted to me but werenāt necessarily good eggs, though I knew enough to insure they were stable, intelligent, willing to commit, etc. I donāt know if you were aware of my efforts to identify and change my negative dynamics, but much of it played out here, on these boards. I had a competent therapist and I had good, smart friends, and they were important to my development, but they had the same biases I had. Posters here were willing to share their differing ideas, and be honest with me about the mistakes they thought I was making. Without access to people outside of my own thought bubble, I would not have been able to identify the distortions that kept locking me in with depressed, angry men, who were like moths to a flame with me, always.
I exploit that professionally now, but wake each morning with a man who is capable of generating contentment within himself.
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I mean, only if you canāt stay on topic re:the race and antisemitism (which Iāve never heard from him - maybe you can point it out). Itās not Brickās fault yāall have fuckinā ADD and have to smear the source rather than debate the contentā¦
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