I think it’s obvious DB is so emotionally invested in Posey’s season that he is unable to have a discussion with people that disagree with him. Hence the “I’m going to leave the site if” comment.
This emotional state is only exacerbated by his surroundings as he lives in the Giants-sphere where the validity of Posey’s MVP candidacy is reinforced by the news, friends and family.
In short, get the fuck over yourself. If you can’t handle opposing opinions go discuss baseball on a SF Giants forum where there will be no disagreement.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I think it’s obvious DB is so emotionally invested in Posey’s season that he is unable to have a discussion with people that disagree with him. Hence the “I’m going to leave the site if” comment.
This emotional state is only exacerbated by his surroundings as he lives in the Giants-sphere where the validity of Posey’s MVP candidacy is reinforced by the news, friends and family.
In short, get the fuck over yourself. If you can’t handle opposing opinions go discuss baseball on a SF Giants forum where there will be no disagreement.
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I can handle opposing opinions. I can’t handle ones that are borne of ignorance or ones who talk about what impact players have on others when those people have never played on a baseball team.
I won’t lecture you on sabermetrics and I expect you to not lecture me about what happens inside of a dugout since you’ve never been in one.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So guys who is the best team in the Bay? Oak or SF?[/quote]
Good question. Maybe we’ll find out next month…
I think I’m going to go with the Giants, if for no other reason than they fucking dominated the A’s in their interleague matchups earlier this year. Of course, neither team is the same now. The Giants’ offense is underrated to say the least and I like their pitching. Losing Brett Anderson was a big blow for the A’s.
I like the experience that the Giants’ staff has from the 2010 postseason and I would still take the combination of Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum over any combination of starters that the A’s have to offer. They’re both playing great, but I can’t help but think that the A’s are just playing out of their minds right now whereas the Giants are playing at a level that that particular team is more capable of sustaining for an entire season.
Apparently the guy has been having vision and balance problems due to excessive caffeine consumption. It’s always something with this guy. I remember when he said he couldn’t hit during the day because he had blue eyes or some shit like that. He’s a relapse waiting to happen and seems to find every outlandish reason under the sun to miss games.
I know a lot of Giants fans out here are hoping they take a run at signing Hamilton, but in my opinion he isn’t worth anything more than maybe $15 million a year, tops. Anything more than that is a rip-off. You’re basically signing a guy who’s going to play about 100 games and he’s pretty much guaranteed to go into a massive slump over the course of about 20 of those games, at least.
I hope the Giants avoid the guy like the bubonic plague. On top of all the baggage the guy comes with he’s a fucking hacker. His overwhelming physical talent allows him to overcome his horrendous approach at the plate for the most part, but I’m telling you, he’s about two more years worth of wear and tear from turning into a slimmer version of Pablo Sandoval.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot the slump he went into after quitting Copenhagen. This fucking guy has an excuse for everything. What the hell is he going to do now that he can’t really drink caffeine? I mean, I drink a SHITLOAD of coffee and I’ve never suffered these symptoms so I would have to assume that Hamilton is REALLY putting it down. It sounds to me like he hasn’t done anything to conquer his addictions except to replace one with another. If he can’t drink caffeine he’ll probably go into withdrawal for that shit and hit about .150 during the postseason. Fucking grow a pair, for Christ’s sake.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What the fuck is the deal with Josh Hamilton?
Apparently the guy has been having vision and balance problems due to excessive caffeine consumption. It’s always something with this guy. I remember when he said he couldn’t hit during the day because he had blue eyes or some shit like that. He’s a relapse waiting to happen and seems to find every outlandish reason under the sun to miss games.
I know a lot of Giants fans out here are hoping they take a run at signing Hamilton, but in my opinion he isn’t worth anything more than maybe $15 million a year, tops. Anything more than that is a rip-off. You’re basically signing a guy who’s going to play about 100 games and he’s pretty much guaranteed to go into a massive slump over the course of about 20 of those games, at least.
I hope the Giants avoid the guy like the bubonic plague. On top of all the baggage the guy comes with he’s a fucking hacker. His overwhelming physical talent allows him to overcome his horrendous approach at the plate for the most part, but I’m telling you, he’s about two more years worth of wear and tear from turning into a slimmer version of Pablo Sandoval. [/quote]
Wait, let me absorb all this…
You’re making disparaging remarks about the League’s leading home run hitter because he likes his coffee? I don’t care if he’s getting therapy for emotional distress or nursing a STD contracted from fucking a cheap hooker from Arlington - as long as the guy is hitting balls out of the park and making your favourite pitcher look stupid then he’s alright with me.
All the greats have at least one caveat that makes the normal fan cringe ever so slightly. Some great professional athletes do a better job of hiding it than others (off the field activities) while others just give it to you straight up and give you the “this is who I am, so take it and STFU.”
Oh, and btw, both the Giants and Niners are overrated.
While Hamilton’s absence has been baffling to say the least, I hesitate to question his toughness. He’s played through a lot of injuries over the last few years, especially during last years postseason. And like Gettnitdone said, he’s having an outstanding year. So he had a 20 game slump, whatever, hell end the season with 45+ hrs, 130+rbi and plays a great CF. The man will get paid.
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So guys who is the best team in the Bay? Oak or SF?[/quote]
Good question. Maybe we’ll find out next month…
I think I’m going to go with the Giants, if for no other reason than they fucking dominated the A’s in their interleague matchups earlier this year. Of course, neither team is the same now. The Giants’ offense is underrated to say the least and I like their pitching. Losing Brett Anderson was a big blow for the A’s.
I like the experience that the Giants’ staff has from the 2010 postseason and I would still take the combination of Cain, Bumgarner and Lincecum over any combination of starters that the A’s have to offer. They’re both playing great, but I can’t help but think that the A’s are just playing out of their minds right now whereas the Giants are playing at a level that that particular team is more capable of sustaining for an entire season.[/quote]
If you beleve in non-statty intangible pixy stuff then it’s appearing more and more that Oakland (and Baltimore for that matter) are looking like the “teams of destiny.”
As we’ve seen the past couple of years, the best team in the league doesn’t always win the World Series.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher. [/quote]
Swisher doesn’t play CF.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher. [/quote]
No way I would, or any MLB team, go with Swisher over Hamilton. They are the same age and hamilton production and defensive ability dwarfs his. Swisher cannot carry a team the way Hamilton can. They are not on the same level IMO. The only advantage to signing Swisher would be that he is going to come at a cheaper price, but I definitely wouldn’t “throw money at him.” Hamilton, with all the drama, has had one of his healthiest seasons and his most productive. He’s not showing any signs of slowing down. I wouldn’t sign him to 7+ years but I think you would be ok signing him to a 5 year deal. He may be a huge risk with the off-field issues, but the reward is too great for teams to ignore.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher. [/quote]
No way I would, or any MLB team, go with Swisher over Hamilton. They are the same age and hamilton production and defensive ability dwarfs his. Swisher cannot carry a team the way Hamilton can. They are not on the same level IMO. The only advantage to signing Swisher would be that he is going to come at a cheaper price, but I definitely wouldn’t “throw money at him.” Hamilton, with all the drama, has had one of his healthiest seasons and his most productive. He’s not showing any signs of slowing down. I wouldn’t sign him to 7+ years but I think you would be ok signing him to a 5 year deal. He may be a huge risk with the off-field issues, but the reward is too great for teams to ignore.
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If he can’t handle the temptations of addiction while living in Dallas, he’ll never survive in San Francisco. The city is just too fucking weird in all the right ways for a guy with a predilection for drugs, booze and slam-pieces to not get sucked in and swallowed up.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher. [/quote]
No way I would, or any MLB team, go with Swisher over Hamilton. They are the same age and hamilton production and defensive ability dwarfs his. Swisher cannot carry a team the way Hamilton can. They are not on the same level IMO. The only advantage to signing Swisher would be that he is going to come at a cheaper price, but I definitely wouldn’t “throw money at him.” Hamilton, with all the drama, has had one of his healthiest seasons and his most productive. He’s not showing any signs of slowing down. I wouldn’t sign him to 7+ years but I think you would be ok signing him to a 5 year deal. He may be a huge risk with the off-field issues, but the reward is too great for teams to ignore.
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You’re crazy if you think Hamilton will sign for 5 years, he’s getting probably 8.
I would bet that Swisher could produce more over the cumulative life of the contract than Hamilton.
Hamilton will obviously hit a higher peak assuming he can keep it together off the field. Well actually on the field too.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher. [/quote]
No way I would, or any MLB team, go with Swisher over Hamilton. They are the same age and hamilton production and defensive ability dwarfs his. Swisher cannot carry a team the way Hamilton can. They are not on the same level IMO. The only advantage to signing Swisher would be that he is going to come at a cheaper price, but I definitely wouldn’t “throw money at him.” Hamilton, with all the drama, has had one of his healthiest seasons and his most productive. He’s not showing any signs of slowing down. I wouldn’t sign him to 7+ years but I think you would be ok signing him to a 5 year deal. He may be a huge risk with the off-field issues, but the reward is too great for teams to ignore.
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If he can’t handle the temptations of addiction while living in Dallas, he’ll never survive in San Francisco. The city is just too fucking weird in all the right ways for a guy with a predilection for drugs, booze and slam-pieces to not get sucked in and swallowed up.[/quote]
Plus he could very well get sucked into the cheater culture that exists in SF.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher. [/quote]
No way I would, or any MLB team, go with Swisher over Hamilton. They are the same age and hamilton production and defensive ability dwarfs his. Swisher cannot carry a team the way Hamilton can. They are not on the same level IMO. The only advantage to signing Swisher would be that he is going to come at a cheaper price, but I definitely wouldn’t “throw money at him.” Hamilton, with all the drama, has had one of his healthiest seasons and his most productive. He’s not showing any signs of slowing down. I wouldn’t sign him to 7+ years but I think you would be ok signing him to a 5 year deal. He may be a huge risk with the off-field issues, but the reward is too great for teams to ignore.
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You’re crazy if you think Hamilton will sign for 5 years, he’s getting probably 8.
I would bet that Swisher could produce more over the cumulative life of the contract than Hamilton.
Hamilton will obviously hit a higher peak assuming he can keep it together off the field. Well actually on the field too. [/quote]
So, you’re saying Swisher would be worth as much or more $ and years than Hamilton? A guy that has never been THE guy on a team or come close to contending for an MVP?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher. [/quote]
No way I would, or any MLB team, go with Swisher over Hamilton. They are the same age and hamilton production and defensive ability dwarfs his. Swisher cannot carry a team the way Hamilton can. They are not on the same level IMO. The only advantage to signing Swisher would be that he is going to come at a cheaper price, but I definitely wouldn’t “throw money at him.” Hamilton, with all the drama, has had one of his healthiest seasons and his most productive. He’s not showing any signs of slowing down. I wouldn’t sign him to 7+ years but I think you would be ok signing him to a 5 year deal. He may be a huge risk with the off-field issues, but the reward is too great for teams to ignore.
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You’re crazy if you think Hamilton will sign for 5 years, he’s getting probably 8.
I would bet that Swisher could produce more over the cumulative life of the contract than Hamilton.
Hamilton will obviously hit a higher peak assuming he can keep it together off the field. Well actually on the field too. [/quote]
So, you’re saying Swisher would be worth as much or more $ and years than Hamilton? A guy that has never been THE guy on a team or come close to contending for an MVP?[/quote]
Well I’m more critical of Hamilton’s ability to play 140+ games/season over the next 7 years. If Hamilton is healthy then obviously not.
Drugs beat up your body. It wouldn’t surprise me if he breaks down in a couple years.
If you think in terms of production perdollars spent it’s fully possible that Nick Swisher could outperform Hamilton.
Swisher would not need as great as statistical production as Hamilton since he wouldn’t be demanding as many dollars.
For instance Bautista was signed to a 5 year $65M at the beginning of the 2010 season.
Based on how amazing he played in 2010 and 2011, he could play at an average level for the last 2 years and the Jays would basically break-even on the contract.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
While he is a great player, he’s a huge risk and I wouldn’t want my team to sign him, especially since he’ll be entering his decline at the very beginning of the contract. Anyone who needs a life coach to babysit him is a huge risk.
If I’m going to throw money around at CFer this offseason, his name would be Nick Swisher. [/quote]
No way I would, or any MLB team, go with Swisher over Hamilton. They are the same age and hamilton production and defensive ability dwarfs his. Swisher cannot carry a team the way Hamilton can. They are not on the same level IMO. The only advantage to signing Swisher would be that he is going to come at a cheaper price, but I definitely wouldn’t “throw money at him.” Hamilton, with all the drama, has had one of his healthiest seasons and his most productive. He’s not showing any signs of slowing down. I wouldn’t sign him to 7+ years but I think you would be ok signing him to a 5 year deal. He may be a huge risk with the off-field issues, but the reward is too great for teams to ignore.
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If he can’t handle the temptations of addiction while living in Dallas, he’ll never survive in San Francisco. The city is just too fucking weird in all the right ways for a guy with a predilection for drugs, booze and slam-pieces to not get sucked in and swallowed up.[/quote]
Plus he could very well get sucked into the cheater culture that exists in SF.
You’re too emotionally invested in this thread, Raj. Your thinly-veiled comments toward me are clear-cut signs that my earlier comments about your ability to evaluate what happens on the field really struck close to home.