[quote]therajraj wrote:
And right on cue the Giants score in extras.
Congrats Giants, congrats DB[/quote]
Don’t fucking jinx it you moron! It ain’t over 'til the fat lady sings!
Well…good win for the Giants, didn’t think they were gonna sweep. Congrats on winning the bet DB. Enjoy! lol
So when do pitchers and catchers report again?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
So when do pitchers and catchers report again?[/quote]
Second or third week of February, depending on the organization.
This postseason has made develop a deep hatred for Brian Wilson. FOX has a camera fixated on him which they refer to every 20 min to show him doing some stupid shit.
Fuck off. Guy contributes nothing all year but gets disproportionate coverage
[quote]therajraj wrote:
This postseason has made develop a deep hatred for Brian Wilson. FOX has a camera fixated on him which they refer to every 20 min to show him doing some stupid shit.
Fuck off. Guy contributes nothing all year but gets disproportionate coverage[/quote]
You should be pissed off at Fox instead of Brian Wilson. They’re the ones who cut to him every ten seconds like he’s some brand-new novelty on the sporting scene. The guy has always been a looney tune but Fox acts as if it’s some revelatory scoop they landed and they’ve decided to bombard us all with their wonderful discovery.
What a shitty series, good to see the NL win again. Small ball baby.
I’ll tell you one thing, the way the Giants dominated the AL in this Series and the 2010 Series, it just goes to show that good pitching and defense beat all that cheap bullshit from the AL every time.
I feel sorry for all the AL fans who watched this Series and can’t understand why the Giants won. Of course they don’t understand since the AL features a FAR inferior brand of baseball that is only validated when the Yankees buy their way to a championship. I wouldn’t expect AL fans to ever come to terms with what has happened to the proverbial World Series favorite in the Series the last three years. How could they? They don’t understand the game the way that NL fans do for the most part, so when the superior form of baseball defeats the inferior brand from the AL, it comes as a shock.
Well, here’s a newsflash: hitting home runs is one, small, tiny fraction of the game. Pitching, defense and good situational hitting trump everything else in baseball every single time.
Johnman I’m going to have to keep you on ignore until you change avatars. I check this site at work - lol.
I’ll see your posts when I get home though since I browse without logging in much of the time.
^ Haha alright sounds good man. New Year’s can’t come soon enough!
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I’ll tell you one thing, the way the Giants dominated the AL in this Series and the 2010 Series, it just goes to show that good pitching and defense beat all that cheap bullshit from the AL every time.
I feel sorry for all the AL fans who watched this Series and can’t understand why the Giants won. Of course they don’t understand since the AL features a FAR inferior brand of baseball that is only validated when the Yankees buy their way to a championship. I wouldn’t expect AL fans to ever come to terms with what has happened to the proverbial World Series favorite in the Series the last three years. How could they? They don’t understand the game the way that NL fans do for the most part, so when the superior form of baseball defeats the inferior brand from the AL, it comes as a shock.
Well, here’s a newsflash: hitting home runs is one, small, tiny fraction of the game. Pitching, defense and good situational hitting trump everything else in baseball every single time.[/quote]
sigh
If there is one thing I would wish you could take away from the numbers side its that the most talented team doesn’t always win.
I’m about to repeat myself but here goes: the best teams in baseball win 60% of their games meaning they still lose 40% of their games. Statistically speaking, 5-7 game series are pretty close to a coin flip.
This is not to say the Giants aren’t deserving of the World Series title (or any other WS winning teams for that matter) it just means the Tigers and Giants aren’t necessarily the two best teams in baseball.
Do you believe the Angels and Rays are inferior to the Tigers even though they won more games than them simply because the Tigers made the post season?
That’s what great about a 162 game season/sample. It minimizes luck/random chance and allows for true talent level to be played.
I mean just look at the Dodgers, they are a bad team but had a great opening two months. However due to the sheer length of the season, their true talent eventually shined through. What happened to the Dodgers in April and May (the hot streak) can easily happen to a team in the post season in October.
I mean Vogelson outpitched Cain in the postseason, did your stance on those players change? Or how about Zito?
Robby Cano was terrible in the Postseason, historically bad… did your opinion change on him?
I certainly hope not
Note a critical edit:
This is not to say the Giants aren’t deserving of the World Series title (or any other teams for that matter) it just means the Tigers and Giants aren’t necessarily the two best teams in baseball.
This line should read
This is not to say the Giants aren’t deserving of the World Series title (or any other WS WINNING teams for that matter) it just means the Tigers and Giants aren’t necessarily the two best teams in baseball.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Note a critical edit:
This is not to say the Giants aren’t deserving of the World Series title (or any other teams for that matter) it just means the Tigers and Giants aren’t necessarily the two best teams in baseball.
This line should read
This is not to say the Giants aren’t deserving of the World Series title (or any other WS WINNING teams for that matter) it just means the Tigers and Giants aren’t necessarily the two best teams in baseball.
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No, the Giants ARE the best team in baseball. They beat the best that the NL and the AL had to offer. They may not be the most talented team, but that doesn’t mean shit. And that’s what the numbers people don’t understand. It’s all about how you play the game and no one did it better this year than the Giants, in either league.
Typically, the teams that play the best baseball are in the NL. The most talent may not be, although i would argue that the most talent IS in the NL right now by virtue of their three straight Series wins and All-Star Game wins.
Regardless, the NL plays better ball. That’s why the only teams that ever win it in the AL over the last 20 years or so are basically the Yankees, since they can accumulate a disproportionate amount of talent compared to anyone else. While talent isn’t the be-all, end-all, having a shitload of it makes the margin of error that much smaller.
But the point is that the only teams from the AL that have won it, aside from one-hit wonders in Anaheim and the southern end of Chicago are the teams that can accumulate that much talent. It takes a $200 million payroll and a lineup stacked with future Hall of Famers to defeat anything from the NL.
Also, Raj, the Giants had the best pitching staff of any team in the playoffs this year. Since pitching is the most important aspect of the game, I can’t see how you can argue they weren’t the best team. Only a fucking dumbshit from Canada would argue that the team that won the World Series in 4 games with one of the most dominant team-wide pitching performances in the history of the game isn’t the best team in the game.
And I understand that there were several staffs with better overall numbers in the regular season, but the Giants have the big-game experience the others don’t, which counts for a lot. And they proved they can shut down any offense from the AL, since they shoved it right up the asses of two of the league’s best in 2010 and 2012.
Maybe the Giants had such an easy time with the Tigers because the top teams in the AL are all a notch below the NL’s best.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
No, the Giants ARE the best team in baseball. They beat the best that the NL and the AL had to offer. They may not be the most talented team, but that doesn’t mean shit.
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What is your definition for “best?”
I defined the “best” team as the one that’s most talented. However I agree that it doesn’t mean shit if you fail to win a title.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
It’s all about how you play the game and no one did it better this year than the Giants, in either league.[/quote]
In the month of October.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Typically, the teams that play the best baseball are in the NL. The most talent may not be, although i would argue that the most talent IS in the NL right now by virtue of their three straight Series wins and All-Star Game wins.[/quote]
I would say the NL has better overall stars, but the average AL player is significantly better than the average NL player.
Take the top 5 teams from each league, compare them and you’ll see the AL players dominate the top of the list.
AL West and AL East are ridiculous with talent.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Regardless, the NL plays better ball.[/quote]
Well that’s just your uh opinion man.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That’s why the only teams that ever win it in the AL over the last 20 years or so are basically the Yankees, since they can accumulate a disproportionate amount of talent compared to anyone else. While talent isn’t the be-all, end-all, having a shitload of it makes the margin of error that much smaller. [/quote]
Well they did draft and develop a HoF core, but yes money helped them maintain a dynasty. The Blue Jays won 2 titles, Red Sox 2, Angels 1, White Sox 1 all within the last 20 years.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
But the point is that the only teams from the AL that have won it, aside from one-hit wonders in Anaheim and the southern end of Chicago are the teams that can accumulate that much talent. It takes a $200 million payroll and a lineup stacked with future Hall of Famers to defeat anything from the NL.[/quote]
A $200M payroll gets you through a 162 game season. Anything can happen in 7 games.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Also, Raj, the Giants had the best pitching staff of any team in the playoffs this year. Since pitching is the most important aspect of the game, I can’t see how you can argue they weren’t the best team. [/quote]
Because there’s more to a baseballg game than pitching… LOL.
You have some of the worst rationalizations for false beliefs I’ve ever seen.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Only a fucking dumbshit from Canada would argue that the team that won the World Series in 4 games with one of the most dominant team-wide pitching performances in the history of the game isn’t the best team in the game.[/quote]
Only a dumb-shit American who can’t understand basic math would believe a 7 game series determines true talent level.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And I understand that there were several staffs with better overall numbers in the regular season, but the Giants have the big-game experience the others don’t, which counts for a lot.[/quote]
If you want to say they had the best staff sure, I won’t fight you on that.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
And they proved they can shut down any offense from the AL, since they shoved it right up the asses of two of the league’s best in 2010 and 2012.[/quote]
And yet they lost series to the Angels and Rangers. How did you determine that by the way? How many AL teams did the Giants play?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Maybe the Giants had such an easy time with the Tigers because the top teams in the AL are all a notch below the NL’s best.[/quote]
Hey believe what you want.
Answer this: did your opinion of Zito change? Or do you consider vogelsong better than Cain now?
Cant wait till wednesday in the city. Going to be madness and im getting hammered.
You don’t get a single fucking thing I’m talking about, Raj.
Winning baseball isn’t determined by talent level. Yes, talent certainly helps. But the 7-game series, or the postseason in general, is NOT about determining the better team, talent-wise. It’s about who can play winning baseball over a series that is long enough for all of a team’s facets to come into play.
So…if you can find ONE single instance where I said a 7-game series is the best way to determine talent-level, then feel free to call me a dumbshit American all you want. But the reality is that I NEVER even insinuated that a 7-game series separates one team’s talent from another’s. It separates the team that can play winning baseball from the team that doesn’t. The Tigers don’t play winning baseball, hence their destruction at the hands of a superior team. And “superior” has nothing to do with talent.
Of course, you don’t understand this at all so you’ve erroneously tried to couch the argument in terms more on your level, which is that of a dumbshit Canadian. And I have every right to call you that after your egregious lack of reading comprehension.
Talent means NOTHING if that talent doesn’t play the game properly, which literally every team in the AL outside of the Tampa Bay Rays is guilty of. And the reason why Tampa Bay is so competitive every year despite being behind the salary 8-ball? They have great pitching, great defense and they play the game right. That overcomes talent pretty much every time, unless the superior talent also plays the game well.
But even looking back on the Yankees of the 1990’s, I think the team they had back then was less talented than the team they have now, that’s for sure. They played the game the right way back then, which is why they were practically unbeatable in the postseason.
Because THAT is the point of the postseason, to weed out the teams that don’t play winning baseball at the highest of levels. The team that is left is either WAY more talented than anyone else (Yankees) or they played winning baseball better than anyone else.
I don’t even know why I’m writing any of this. Arguing with you is like arguing with a mongoloid who has never studied math before that 2+2 does indeed equal 4, despite all your best arguments that it equals 5.