[quote]spiderman739 wrote: @Makavali and Brother Chris - What did you mean by “death cult”?[/quote]
If you can’t figure out why I’d call Islam a death cult, you need to pick up a book or catch up on world events.[/quote]
There is no need to throw out inflammatory remarks and comments. You are belittling Islam by calling it a “cult” instead of a religion and you are choosing to focus on it’s negative aspects by using the word “death”.
We were having a polite and respectful discussion up until that point. I am not insulting anyone elses religion so I don’t so why you would have to take this thread off on a tangent by insulting mine.
And I don’t need to pick up any books. My honours degree in history and religious studies has stood me in good stead thus far.
[quote]spiderman739 wrote: @Makavali and Brother Chris - What did you mean by “death cult”?[/quote]
If you can’t figure out why I’d call Islam a death cult, you need to pick up a book or catch up on world events.[/quote]
There is no need to throw out inflammatory remarks and comments. You are belittling Islam by calling it a “cult” instead of a religion and you are choosing to focus on it’s negative aspects by using the word “death”.
We were having a polite and respectful discussion up until that point. I am not insulting anyone elses religion so I don’t so why you would have to take this thread off on a tangent by insulting mine.
And I don’t need to pick up any books. My honours degree in history and religious studies has stood me in good stead thus far.[/quote]
I wouldn’t take it personally, spiderman. Mak is PWI’s Sergeant Raymond Shaw, and the word “religion” just happens to be his Queen of Diamonds. He’s a pretty nice guy (I’m being serious), just as long as you never mention religion in his presence.
Well, I think that the sentiment at the time against Islam probably weighed more on the Christian West than had it been another religion. Islam professed to believe in the same God yet denied the divinity of Christ. That had to have struck a chord in the hearts of Christian kings more than a run of the mill pagan religion. Remember, most in the Christian world were looking very apprehensively for the coming of the Anti-Christ. Islam having gained control over the land of Christ itself I’m sure played a large impact on the response.
There were many Eastern technologies and philosophies that were brought back West after the Crusades. Afterall, we still use Arabic numerals, algebra, domed buildings and arches, and plenty of other ideas that were not practiced widely in Europe before the Crusades. In many ways, the Crusades laid the ground work for the Renaissance.
[quote]BBriere wrote:
What misconceptions do most people hold about the Crusades before we start debating them? I went to school to major in history, concentrated in medieval history, and have read abundant sources on the subject. I’m not sure what others believe to be true or false about them. Let’s pick one topic to start with like causes, outcomes, or something.[/quote]
The biggest misconception that I know of is that it’s purpose was solely to plunder and conquest. The reality is that Europe would have been over come by the Moores and today’s landscape Europe would likely be ruled by a Islamic theocracy.
[quote]spiderman739 wrote: @Makavali and Brother Chris - What did you mean by “death cult”?[/quote]
If you can’t figure out why I’d call Islam a death cult, you need to pick up a book or catch up on world events.[/quote]
There is no need to throw out inflammatory remarks and comments. You are belittling Islam by calling it a “cult” instead of a religion and you are choosing to focus on it’s negative aspects by using the word “death”.
We were having a polite and respectful discussion up until that point. I am not insulting anyone elses religion so I don’t so why you would have to take this thread off on a tangent by insulting mine.
And I don’t need to pick up any books. My honours degree in history and religious studies has stood me in good stead thus far.[/quote]
Not saying it is a death cult…but there is a cult in Islam. Same as in any religion.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I wouldn’t take it personally, spiderman. Mak is PWI’s Sergeant Raymond Shaw, and the word “religion” just happens to be his Queen of Diamonds. He’s a pretty nice guy (I’m being serious), just as long as you never mention religion in his presence.
[quote]BBriere wrote:
What misconceptions do most people hold about the Crusades before we start debating them? I went to school to major in history, concentrated in medieval history, and have read abundant sources on the subject. I’m not sure what others believe to be true or false about them. Let’s pick one topic to start with like causes, outcomes, or something.[/quote]
The biggest misconception that I know of is that it’s purpose was solely to plunder and conquest. The reality is that Europe would have been over come by the Moores and today’s landscape Europe would likely be ruled by a Islamic theocracy. [/quote]
Isn’t it becoming that way anyway? That’s true though. Islam had already invaded much of the Mediterranean landscape including Spain. You never know what might have happened had the Crusades not taken place. Of course, most of Europe went on to become Christian theocracy until the 17th and 18th centuries. I wonder how it might have impacted the New World explorations had Europe went Islamic.
1492 was a big year for Spain and for the Catholic church. Columbus discovers America, Jews expelled from Spain unless they convert (and other European countries), and Granada back in the hands of Ferdinand and Isabella after an 800 year Reconquista.
The Islamic invasion of the Iberian Peninsula is a very interesting period in history as you see East and West both at each others throats and at other times, coexisting relatively harmoniously.
[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
1492 was a big year for Spain and for the Catholic church. Columbus discovers America, Jews expelled from Spain unless they convert (and other European countries), and Granada back in the hands of Ferdinand and Isabella after an 800 year Reconquista.
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[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
1492 was a big year for Spain and for the Catholic church. Columbus discovers America, Jews expelled from Spain unless they convert (and other European countries), and Granada back in the hands of Ferdinand and Isabella after an 800 year Reconquista.
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Cool story, bro.[/quote]
What do you mean? The guy before you mentioned the Iberian Peninsula, possible Islamisation of Europe, and discovering the New World. I am just saying that 1492 was a big year for Catholicism. The Spanish Inquisition was in full swing with royal decrees telling Jews and Muslims to convert or leave. After 800 years of conflict, the Iberian Peninsula was completely Catholic. America was discovered in the name of Spain,the Cathoilc Monarchs ( as Pope Alexander VI had named them), and the Catholic Church.
How can that possible be considered “hating”? I am merely adding context to what the other guy had said. No need to take it as an attack, it wasn’t meant as one.
[quote]BBriere wrote:
What misconceptions do most people hold about the Crusades before we start debating them? I went to school to major in history, concentrated in medieval history, and have read abundant sources on the subject. I’m not sure what others believe to be true or false about them. Let’s pick one topic to start with like causes, outcomes, or something.[/quote]
The biggest misconception that I know of is that it’s purpose was solely to plunder and conquest. The reality is that Europe would have been over come by the Moores and today’s landscape Europe would likely be ruled by a Islamic theocracy. [/quote]
When you have too many Knights unwilling to work and causing trouble, you have to find something for them to do, Crusades were a good way to occupy them.
[quote]pat wrote:
The biggest misconception that I know of is that it’s purpose was solely to plunder and conquest. The reality is that Europe would have been over come by the Moores and today’s landscape Europe would likely be ruled by a Islamic theocracy. [/quote]
Who’s to say that would have been a bad thing? Islamic scholarship reached it’s pinnacle around that time, and the Islamic world produced great advances in science, art, and technology. In fact, we can thank Islamic scholars for translating many Greek classics, which formed the basis for much of Western society.
[quote]pat wrote:
The biggest misconception that I know of is that it’s purpose was solely to plunder and conquest. The reality is that Europe would have been over come by the Moores and today’s landscape Europe would likely be ruled by a Islamic theocracy. [/quote]
Who’s to say that would have been a bad thing? Islamic scholarship reached it’s pinnacle around that time, and the Islamic world produced great advances in science, art, and technology. In fact, we can thank Islamic scholars for translating many Greek classics, which formed the basis for much of Western society.[/quote]
Have you ever looked at how they over came the land? I’m sure you’d love to be a Muslim and live under Sharia. Let’s not be dumb and talk about what if’s and talk about what happened.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Have you ever looked at how they over came the land? I’m sure you’d love to be a Muslim and live under Sharia. Let’s not be dumb and talk about what if’s and talk about what happened.[/quote]
[quote]Eli B wrote:
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I wonder how many Jews and Muslims would agree with the statement that Islam is a split off of Judaism. I know a lot of Jews that will agree that Christendom is a split (or is an extension) of Judaism, but I’ll put five on it that they say no on the Islam thing.
Nope. Islam is a sect of judaism. Give me five dollars.[/quote]
Jewish people consider both Christianity and Islam heretical spin offs of Judaism, at least as far as the practice of either such faith by a Jewish person.
That said, both Christianity and Islam (arguably) satisfy the 7 Laws of Noah and so, while imperfect, are acceptible forms of woship of G-d by non-Jewish people.
[quote]BBriere wrote:
What misconceptions do most people hold about the Crusades before we start debating them? I went to school to major in history, concentrated in medieval history, and have read abundant sources on the subject. I’m not sure what others believe to be true or false about them. Let’s pick one topic to start with like causes, outcomes, or something.[/quote]
The biggest misconception that I know of is that it’s purpose was solely to plunder and conquest. The reality is that Europe would have been over come by the Moores and today’s landscape Europe would likely be ruled by a Islamic theocracy. [/quote]
When you have too many Knights unwilling to work and causing trouble, you have to find something for them to do, Crusades were a good way to occupy them. [/quote]
That’s just silly, and think about my name if you think I am sympathetic to the Crusaders.
The Crusades were overwhelmingly a defensive war to repel muslim invaders in Europe or to reclaim land that the muslims took by conquest.
The muslims were literally stopped at the Gates of Vienna.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Have you ever looked at how they over came the land? I’m sure you’d love to be a Muslim and live under Sharia. Let’s not be dumb and talk about what if’s and talk about what happened.[/quote]
I don’t think you read my post properly.[/quote]
I’m sure I did, you asked who’s to say it would be a bad thing to live in a Muslim land.
