[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I gotta tell ya man. I wrote a post a long long time ago about escalating societal promiscuity, the breakdown of the family and the central role that has and is playing in the demise of this nation.[/quote]
It is the cornerstone, isn’t it? So much so that I can barely tolerate anti-nanny state talk, anymore. I just roll my eyes and sigh.
[quote] You were the only one that responded with simply “good post”. I don’t know if you remember. I’ll say again. Whatever else we may disagree on (which I’m thinking is quite a bit), my hat is off to you for your insight in this all important area. I’ve seen some of your posts lately and you are one of the very few people I have ever met who has the clear thinking view here that you do. I am being deadly serious.
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Yeah, I didn’t have much to add at the time, because you hit it out of the park. As to where we disagree…now that you’ve said something, I’m not sure. I mean, I’m sure there are issues we’d part ways on, but I just can’t recall any such disagreements.
However, now I’m intrigued with your aside, “which I’m thinking is quite a bit.” Wondering what impressions, on what topics, has led you to believe so.[/quote]
We’ll leave our disagreements for later if you don’t mind and I’m somewhat gratified you remember that post. I put a lot of work into it actually. Consider these observations by de Tocqueville in the 1830’s as you know:
[i]<<< "Again, it may be said that in our morals we have reserved strange immunities to man, so that there is, as it were, one virtue for his use and another for the guidance of his partner, and that, according to the opinion of the public, the very same act may be punished alternately as a crime or only as a fault.
The Americans do not know this iniquitous division of duties and rights; among them the seducer is as much dishonored as his victim. <<<>>> their conduct to women always implies that they suppose them to be virtuous and refined; and such is the respect entertained for the moral freedom of the sex that in the presence of a woman the most guarded language is used lest her ear should be offended by an expression.
In America a young unmarried woman may alone and without fear undertake a long journey. <<<>>> the Americans can conceive nothing more precious than a woman’s honor<<< >>> As for myself, I do not hesitate to avow that although the women of the United States are confined within the narrow circle of domestic life, and their situation is in some respects one of extreme dependence,
I have nowhere seen woman occupying a loftier position; and if I were asked, now that I am drawing to the close of this work, in which I have spoken of so many important things done by the Americans, to what the singular prosperity and growing strength of that people ought mainly to be attributed, I should reply: To the superiority of their women."[/i]
He was merely observing. THAT is the moral foundation this country was built on and it came from Christianity and laid the bedrock for everything else. It bred faithfulness, self sacrifice, self control and just plain moral decency into the very fabric of this nation. THAT is also what we surrendered in the 60’s and THAT is the disease of which all else is merely symptomatic.
Are you kidding me? Men assuming women are virtuous and refined and considering nothing more precious than her honor? Guarding their language lest they offend her? A long journey!!! HAR DEE HAR HAR!!! Today women AND CHILDREN can barely leave their house unarmed for fear some degenerate may brutalize them and throw them in a river somewhere.
How far we have fallen while we fund monstrously expensive and useless studies and programs trying to figure out where we went wrong. This country is now an unbridled whorehouse that de Tocqueville would not even recognize as that shining beacon in the world we once were due to the superiority of our women resulting from the towering virtuous respect with which they were treated.
We are rotting from the inside out and nothing but a revival of the grace of God on this nation will make a speck of difference.[/quote]Minor detail but all violent crime as well as violent crime against women is at a far lower level in the US than it was when he wrote that. You should try looking at the facts not the flowery language (but I could say the same about your Bible knowledge) ;-)[/quote]
I’ve come to expect nothing less from you than some sort of source for an assertion like this? Since there were no hard stats at that time and a man like De Tocqueville, who’s professional mission was observing just those types of things was in a position to have unusually reliable observations. Crime was only a relatively small part of my point anyway and you’ll forgive me if I’m not readily humbled by your estimation of my bible knowledge.[/quote]
Criminology By Larry J. Siegel
And actually there were hard stats. The police Bureaus in major US cities started keeping detailed records of crime rates just about the time that De Tocqueville was writing.
Have a goodnight, I have to go find more fallacious arguments in a Popular Source, wouldn’t happen to have any on hand would you?