Genuinely curious if you can demonstrate his trauma.
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It is comical that you replied with this comment: “the base reptilian and mammalian brain.”
Clearly, you know my faith in the God of the Bible assures me that I have a God made brain, especially for humans.
That said, I had my dad hammer into my head three similar sayings:
- Mind over matter
- Can’t never did anything.
- You can believe you can or you can believe you cannot. In either case you are correct.
Base reptilian and mammalian brain - hogwash.
BTW, my mother had her saying that rings in my ear to this day:
In time, on time, every time,
Except when ahead of time,
And for me that is better time.
There is no evidence that he is speechless, so I can hardly wait.
What I said doesn’t contradict this. And is proven by science. There are parts of the human brain shared by reptiles and mammals, and there are parts that aren’t (namely our oversized prefrontal cortex).
Humans share massive percentages of DNA structures with animals. It’s clear that if a creator made the world and all in it, they reused parts in constructing stuff.
I agree with him. Again, none of this changes the reality that corporal punishment has an element of trained fear incorporated into that affects a person’s reaction.
If avoidance of a behavior is the goal, corporate punishment obviously works. Does that alone promote understanding of right and wrong? No.
I am sure you and many others talk about why a certain action is wrong following a “chastening”, but many parents do not do that follow up step.
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So is the abuse the corporal punishment itself when used as a tool for behavioral avoidance or is it the neglect to discuss and teach (if necessary. Some kids know exactly why what they’re doing is wrong but won’t respond to “weak” methods).
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It’s not an either or.
Neglect is one form of child endangerment (parents can have children removed by the state for things like educational neglect).
Physical battery is another.
People get fined for hitting their pets, or arrested for hitting another adult (go smack the ass of the next adult who is in the wrong as a reprimand and see how that goes), but it’s okay when it’s done to children? Why do children get treated as less deserving of equal human treatment simply because they haven’t grown up yet?
corporal-punishment-current-rates-from-a-national-survey.pdf (unh.edu)
Abstract of this shows that more educated parents resort to corporal punishment less and there is an overall decline. Substantiating my hypothesis that it’s either out of ignorance or laziness that this method is resorted too.
From the article
A scientific consensus has been developing that ordinary
corporal punishment—in colloquial terms, spanking—has
negative side effects as a disciplinary practice. Several
comprehensive meta-analyses have found spanking to be
associated with poorer developmental outcomes including
higher levels of subsequent aggression, lower moral internalization, weaker parent child bonds, more mental health
problems and delinquency (Gershoff 2002; Gershoff and
Grogan-Kaylor 2016; Gershoff et al. 2017).
In case you want some reading that the outcomes of corporal punishment are the same in all cases.
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Good point.
They don’t. They’re treated as more deserving of being treated like children, because they’re children.
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Maybe being “human” and being “children” are not mutually exclusive?
There is a flip side to this, and it has a horrible effect in schools as well as the real world when these kids become adults, which is children being allowed and even encouraged to confront the world as if they are equals with adults. This is how you end up with parents who actively pursue being their children’s best friends. This is how you end up with students who view teachers as peers. You have kids who call their parents by their first names.
Here’s an example of the equal treatment you mention. Your son talks back to his mother, your wife. Maybe he calls a female teacher a bitch. You immediately jack him up against a wall and let him know if he ever does it again he’s gonna eat a right hook.
There’s no sitting down or forming a circle to talk about feelings because for one, you don’t disrespect women like that as a man because it’s cowardly. And two, in the real world you might simply get the right hook.
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I clearly see the truth in this with the last generations. I don’t know your age, but if you grew through your preteens after the 1950’s, you grew up when the acceptance of corporal punishment was in question. It only makes since that you questioned the use of corporal punishment, because it was in question socially.
That question never crossed my mind. I never considered that corporal punishment might not be the best parenting method of correction. There is no hidden battle going on in my mind. Any “scientific consensus” of the past by psycho babblers is as far from the scientific method as can be had. The notion that they hijack the word “scientific” is offensive to my senses.
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I agree. I don’t agree(and neither does anyone reading this) that children deserve “equal human treatment.”
I feel like this thread has evolved in to linguistic masturbation. Human is not a code word for an adult.
And maybe that’s the point of this thread. Seeing kids as soft because they don’t deserve equal human treatment. And choosing to view millenials/gen Z as kids.
Don’t change the quote to suit your narrative, come on man.
Exactly
Except you can’t do that to another adult even without being arrested now. Kind of invalidates the point you are trying to make here.
If you look at the meta anlayses they are statistical in nature. Based on a bit of self-reporting and observation, sure, but the analysis of that self reported data is sound.
Boomer for sure were the most successful generation of all times but also the most materially seduced. They sold the world for SUVs and big flatscreen TVs. The culprits are elites with their mouthpiece, mass media, serving as an especially vile form of boomer-wranglers.
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Are you familiar with data sampling and the many associated biases?
Because they want to be treated as adults while also remaining in a state of perpetual childhood. In other words, they want the perceived benefits of adulthood without the accountability. The phrase ok boomer sums up their mindset. They despise older people, we aren’t talking about normal inter generational tensions but hate and ridicule, because they have no sense of history (if it didn’t happen in their brief lifetime it never happened) and have lost any connection to their cultural roots. Meanwhile, they have no problems demanding the older generations support them financially and give them what amounts to a subsidized existence. This might seem hypocritical but to a generation of narcissists it’s justice.
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yes, it doesn’t invalidate the whole thing. Especially when there are more than one meta-analyses drawing similar conclusions.
It’s not automatic that you will get arrested. Also, some people will consider that consequence worth it under those conditions. Let me put it to you this way, would you call a man’s wife a bitch in front of him? I would assume no. However, if you did and he punched you, would you really be surprised? Would you then be a punk about it and call the cops? And would you be confident the cops would even care?
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Words are not a reason to resort to violence.
One problem I have with studies around corporal punishment is a wide description of what corporal punishment is, with blurred lines between punishment and angrily lashing out. It makes conversations like this one hard because there is not a defined basis or clear definitions.
From another study, for example:
“ Another large Canadian study41 found that children who were spanked by their parents were seven times more likely to be severely assaulted by their parents (e.g., punched or kicked) than children who were not spanked. In an American study,42 infants in their first year of life who had been spanked by their parents in the previous month were 2.3 times more likely to suffer an injury requiring medical attention than infants who had not been spanked.”
I would argue being assaulted by the parent leads to damage, not intentionally and strategically utilized corporal punishment. But the study lumps it all in to the same measured outcome at the end, which isn’t exactly accurate.
And who the fuck spanks an infant? I would definitely put that on the abuse side of the line.
So, a spectrum of violence can certainly cause damage but can we more narrowly define what corporal punishment is?
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