The people in the himalayas have been there for 10,000 years, they have adapted to high altitude. That’s why you have some people who cannot handle high altitude, because they have a harder time adapting.
Take a guy in poor health, perhaps. A healthy man, no, not really.
We do not concern ourselves with this unless they are demonstrating issues or if platelets are elevated. Period.
what are said platelets of which you speak? i have a cbc included with all my labs so I wanna peek at the relevant entries to see where im at.
im sure theyre in range as the stuff lights up when its not, but figure i might as well check if im toe’ing the line or not.
only things OOR apart from my TT usually is my ALP (due to the pagets) and rarely my AST & BUN get a bit over due to heavy training/high protein consumption respectively.
Oh and my albumin/glob ratio cause my awesome 5.0 albumin (which is my understanding binds up T as well or has a hand in it)
On my labs they are called: platelets lol
Not sure if there is an abbreviation for them on other labs.
I find a lot of people tend to make excuses for behavioral changes when on hormones/TRT… yes, large dosages of sex hormones can alter demeanour in those predisposed… but now it seems everyone uses these piddly fluctuations from small dosages to justify becoming overtly emotional/a dick… newsflash, if you’re an asshole on 100mg test, you were probably an asshole to begin with.
Reminds me of this story about a dude (read about it on a forum somewhere) who would become violent/aggro towards his spouse directly after taking a shot of deca durabolin… deca takes a few hours to merely start releasing into the bloodstream, neurological effects take a few days +
to manifest… the wife would always be able to “tell” when he had just taken a shot… this guy wasn’t being affected by the deca, he was just a cunt who liked beating up women, found an excuse for it…
So, if you’re TT was 1500 on a lab ref range of 300-1050 or something… clearly you’re E should be within 10-40 right? Because that makes sense
Hmmmmm… no, not unless the concentration is SUPER high, like 20x the ref range while you’re on a gram of test weekly
Actually (esp in those predisposed) a HCT pushing say 56-57% isn’t safe… that being said most wont push that high on 200mg weekly, and if they do, can’t get it under control… then the dosage is probably too high for them.
Why not just… donate blood every 10-12 weeks?
To be fair, during the era of rampant EPO abuse, many cyclists DID stroke out
Well… when hct climbs very high, say 60% or so… it is dangerous for most, and would be considered “secondary polycythemia” as in… polycythemia induced by an exogenous variable
Well these individuals are living with HCT of around 52-53%, not 60%…
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/270273416_High_altitude_exposure_and_ischemic_stroke
And it DOES appear these individual living at high altitudes have an elevated risk of ischemic stroke
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and so they are >.<
highest mine have been look to be 292 K/mcL which is well within range. So i suppose thats good news.
in other not so good news, i feel like pretty solid ass now. dried out eyes, been up half the night, and about as lethargic as it comes. Immediately made a double pot of coffee today ;p
probably gonna take tomorrow off too as I dont see myself getting much of what I planned done today. Then tomorrow is going to be a larger shot as someone talked me into upping my dose ;p
hopefully that begins the recuperation process from this wee little slip up.
I get it, but if you knew me - im as about as introspective, and as objective as they come. And this isnt week 10 and me changing protocols nonstop. Ive been at this almost 2 years. I have a pretty good handle on my normal.
The last time i had tears well up in my eyes… well… i was probably in my teens. Even moreso when you can realize how big of an ass your being to your children. Theres a difference between a bad day, and my face turning red instantly over being annoyed by kids being kids. It wasnt immediately after cessation of the AI, it took a few weeks to come on.
I wholly admit it may have been due to rebound, but i wont subscribe for a second to the fact that it was an “excuse” or placebo of any sort. Of course good and bad days are going to happen, but this wasnt that by a stretch.
I dont follow. So because my ALP is 400 my ALT should also be elevated?
again, semantics. I guess a little heroin isnt that bad. Just so long as it isnt a ton/often. I use to fly pretty fast n loose. But after beating drug addiction, having kids, having cancer, and watching bar none a specific set of afflictions ail my family - im a hypochondriac about my health. If somethings out of range (when ranges are painted with a broad ass brush) theres a reason for it and more often than not its not a good one.
Ill admit, I dont know how far .25mg of anti estrogen every other day or every third day is keeping my E2 down. Never had a chance to compare. If someone has labs from AI vs no AI at the same dosages, id love to see them. I just know what ive been all but indoctrinated to believe (stay around 22) and what the lab reference range is. This coupled with the mantra “hcg+test+ai” is the proper protocol and the way I felt with i stopped the AI, cumulatively has had me on that side of the fence.
the fact ive tried stopping the ai, and have reduced the ai, should speak more towards the fact im inclined to agree with cessation in return for a bit of elevation. How much is the question.
in all actuality, probably reasons that would be non-issues for some people. It boils down to me being selfish and my own mental proclivities. I loathe being on anything at all, and i loathe the fact it inconveniences my life that much more. I feel a bit incomplete, like something is wrong with me and its encumbering. I value my freetime a TREMENDOUS amount, and with the already doctor appointments for labs, doctor appointments for cancer scans, regular life bs, multiple toddlers, tracking injections and AI dose… i dont want to feel like i have to watch and manage yet something else.
I want as simple as possible. Wish I could inject once a week, subQ, no AI, and forget about it. While i might not be able to have it THAT simple, im hoping to atleast avoid more inconvenience caused by it.
of course if there ever were an inconvenience that could be given a sunny-side, that would be it, as obviously in and of itself; donation is great.
Because estrogen is a metabolite of testosterone, you’re interfering with homeostatic mechanisms… you know what, in certain individuals DHT is linked to prostate enlargement, hair loss etc… DHT increases alongside T… why not block the fuck out of that too, I could give a more complex explanation, and will later but I’m incredibly busy atm, just popped in to say you’re ideology/rationalisation for blocking E is irrelevant.
As to heroin… well congratulations for kicking opiates, no one has brought this up yet but… they’re incredibly hard drugs to kick, and it takes a tremendous amount of willpower to kick, so seriously… well done dude! As to a little bit of heroin being okay… um… I suppose if you were one of those individuals who can ACTUALLY do something like once a year, keep that in line etc. but with something as addictive as heroin 99.9 percent of people who try it probably won’t just try it once… then again I actually do know one kid who accidentally took a line of smack in the back of a nightclub, he never did it again (then again, this was accidental)
i understand the value of time very acutely. Definitely dont trouble yourself. I’m new around here but considering this is the most conversation ive had on the topic (trt) i’ll definitely be around. Take care of you.
I agree, probably some really bad analogies there on my part anyhow. Also thanks for the pat on the back. I’m not one to do that myself, but yes, it was exceptionally hard. I failed many times over many years, and a large chunk of the people i grew up with, are no longer with us. I was fortunate. Very bad, very dangerous stuff.
As for DHT. Ugh, thats the other thing im torn on trying to keep down. Im aware its much more androgenic than T, but im also a vain SOB and predisposed to MPB. I was already significantly recessed before starting TRT, but not to such a degree that it caused any insecurity, much less issue. After a few years of TRT, oh boy - it’ll be shaving time soon.
I dont like it, an iota - but its the one price i know theres 0 way around me paying. Ive been lathering greasy rogaine on my head, and going with my former allusions about “foreign substances” ill actually be glad when I feel i can just give up on that too lol. Not willing to try finasteride especially at this point. Though i have entertained stopping trt and seeing what recovers, probably not worth. Welcome to the genetic lottery.
Stay your course, shave your head, feel amazing, get big and strong, and never look back. Just own the fuck out of your situation.
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yep, thats pretty much the plan. the only reasonable one anyhow. The hair was going to be gone, its just gonna be gone a little sooner now.
coulda been worse. I had hair when it mattered more at least lol.
Tomorrow will be my first bigger injection with no AI. Here’s to feeling better and while im apprehensive, hopefully being without an AI longterm.
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