He is a hit and miss type of guy.
Mostly miss.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Moore (despite being right most of the time) is not a leftist. Ironically, he and the “leftists”/social democrats, etc. are in reality conservative. The leftists (at least the revolutionary leftists) support the libertarian platform. The fast and more completely their policies are put in place, the faster capitalism will collapse.[/quote]
If you think Moore is not left, I cringe at your thought of what left is. The bankers will never let capitalism die.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Moore (despite being right most of the time) is not a leftist. Ironically, he and the “leftists”/social democrats, etc. are in reality conservative. The leftists (at least the revolutionary leftists) support the libertarian platform. The fast and more completely their policies are put in place, the faster capitalism will collapse.
If you think Moore is not left, I cringe at your thought of what left is. The bankers will never let capitalism die.[/quote]
He’s a retarded socialist, what do you expect?
I just watched Bill Maher, who had Moore on as a guest. Maher, who saw his new movie, commented on his views of capitalism and disagreed that it needed to be destroyed. Then they had on Paul Klugman and Eliot Spitzer who also disagreed, and said that capitalism itself didn’t need to be abolished like Moore claims it does. He actually called out Michael Moore in a way, made him look stupid. I actually like Maher for this reason, he called out both Moore and Obama, for more of the same.
I thought Roger and Me was pretty good, bowling was decent as well. At least for the things i agree on.
after that it felt like he just wanted to make money and went after the usual suspects.
And he probably doesn’t care about critics, he can’t hear you guys over the sound of all his money shuffling.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
So then we should be happy he is out discrediting the left’s agenda. Whew! For a second I thought we might have to be worried.
WHAT’S THIS!!!
Are we to imply from from this that Lifty watches Beck?
Whatever anybody think’s of Glen Beck he is doing yeoman’s work in exposing the underlying fortified leftist political infrastructure that is seeing it’s most authentic chapter yet in this nation.
Moore is a discredited lying propagandist. Fahrenheit 911 proved that. Beck isn’t perfect, but his information is pretty meticulously and undeniably documented on the far and away most viewed news channel there is. You can determine this by how he is incessantly attacked on a personal level and quoted relentlessly out of context by strategically edited video with very little about the content of his shows.[/quote]
Except the fact that he switches stances on issues if there is money to be made. Biggest one being bailouts and 9/12. And on air fake crying…ffs. And that he feigns to be a libertarian.
He comes across like a lonely high school republican.
x2 shill
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
The leftists (at least the revolutionary leftists) support the libertarian platform. [/quote]
No they do not. You do not know what libertarianism is.
OK, you’re right, if that makes you feel better.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
He misses all the things that come about as a result of capitalism – the mom and pops shops, technology, educational institutions, and even charity. I wish someone would shut him up.[/quote]
i think you are right about the things that came as a result of capitalism, but i dont think you completely understand their function.
the mom and pop shops are constantly being put out of business because they cant compete with the larger corporations. capitalism concentrates wealth. educational institutions only train people for the work force, they dont teach people to think.
right now the government is spending a lot of their money on desctructive technology. as far as charity, though it may provide minimal help, i think its evident that it hasnt solved any of the worlds problems
also, yes moore makes money from his movies but that doesnt take away from the arguments he is making
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
That fat bastard owes his ability to make a movie about capitalism on capitalism and then he bashes it while finger pointing at the unethical Wall Street fat-cats. He has no idea what capitalism is.
He misses all the things that come about as a result of capitalism – the mom and pops shops, technology, educational institutions, and even charity. I wish someone would shut him up.
See, there you go again making a great point. It IS small business that largely created the middle class and this bloated hypocrite would be destitute if it weren’t for the capitalist society he so blindly attacks.
If only you could screw your head on straight the rest of the way you’d be good to go.[/quote]
small business id not create the middle class. the U.S. control of the world economy after world war 2 created the middle class. prior to 1945 there was only the working class and the bosses. after 1945, U.S. corporations saw skyrocketing profits and were thus able to pay their workers more and thus the middle class emerged. this lasted until the 70’s and since then we have seen a decrease of the middle class.
[quote]gladiatorsteer wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
He misses all the things that come about as a result of capitalism – the mom and pops shops, technology, educational institutions, and even charity. I wish someone would shut him up.
i think you are right about the things that came as a result of capitalism, but i dont think you completely understand their function.
the mom and pop shops are constantly being put out of business because they cant compete with the larger corporations. capitalism concentrates wealth. educational institutions only train people for the work force, they dont teach people to think. right now the government is spending a lot of their money on desctructive technology.
as far as charity, though it may provide minimal help, i think its evident that it hasnt solved any of the worlds problems
also, yes moore makes money from his movies but that doesnt take away from the arguments he is making
[/quote]
His argument against capitalism is false. He complains that people operating under a capitalistic system are unethical. He does not distinguish that it is not the idea of capitalism that is unethical but rather the individuals who do unethical things. Capitalism makes no reference to how people behave but rather how individuals should be free to exchange property.
Mom and pop shops are not always being put out of business by bigger businesses and even still so what if some are? Mom and pops are not virtuous because they are small but rather because they service a segment of society and when they can no longer do so they will fail.
Many small coffee shops in my neighborhood, for example, do just fine even when competing with large chains right across the street because they understand the customers.
Education is a process and capitalism allows it to function more efficiently. It does not matter how horrible some institutions are as long as there is competition between those institutions. No institution can teach people how to think. That is an individual trait.
The point I was making about charity is that it can only exist where wealth exists. In so far as more wealth is created under capitalism than under socialism more charity will exist under capitalism than socialism.
[quote]gladiatorsteer wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
That fat bastard owes his ability to make a movie about capitalism on capitalism and then he bashes it while finger pointing at the unethical Wall Street fat-cats. He has no idea what capitalism is.
He misses all the things that come about as a result of capitalism – the mom and pops shops, technology, educational institutions, and even charity. I wish someone would shut him up.
See, there you go again making a great point. It IS small business that largely created the middle class and this bloated hypocrite would be destitute if it weren’t for the capitalist society he so blindly attacks.
If only you could screw your head on straight the rest of the way you’d be good to go.
small business id not create the middle class. the U.S. control of the world economy after world war 2 created the middle class. prior to 1945 there was only the working class and the bosses. after 1945, U.S. corporations saw skyrocketing profits and were thus able to pay their workers more and thus the middle class emerged. this lasted until the 70’s and since then we have seen a decrease of the middle class.[/quote]
Wrong. The middle class has been emerging in the US since it began because people are, for the most part, free to exchange their property. This creates wealth and hence more people will have wealth under a system of capitalism.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
gladiatorsteer wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
That fat bastard owes his ability to make a movie about capitalism on capitalism and then he bashes it while finger pointing at the unethical Wall Street fat-cats. He has no idea what capitalism is.
He misses all the things that come about as a result of capitalism – the mom and pops shops, technology, educational institutions, and even charity. I wish someone would shut him up.
See, there you go again making a great point. It IS small business that largely created the middle class and this bloated hypocrite would be destitute if it weren’t for the capitalist society he so blindly attacks.
If only you could screw your head on straight the rest of the way you’d be good to go.
small business id not create the middle class. the U.S. control of the world economy after world war 2 created the middle class. prior to 1945 there was only the working class and the bosses. after 1945, U.S. corporations saw skyrocketing profits and were thus able to pay their workers more and thus the middle class emerged. this lasted until the 70’s and since then we have seen a decrease of the middle class.
Wrong. The middle class has been emerging in the US since it began because people are, for the most part, free to exchange their property. This creates wealth and hence more people will have wealth under a system of capitalism.[/quote]
The middle class shrunk more under the Bush Admin than any in history
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
gladiatorsteer wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
That fat bastard owes his ability to make a movie about capitalism on capitalism and then he bashes it while finger pointing at the unethical Wall Street fat-cats. He has no idea what capitalism is.
He misses all the things that come about as a result of capitalism – the mom and pops shops, technology, educational institutions, and even charity. I wish someone would shut him up.
See, there you go again making a great point. It IS small business that largely created the middle class and this bloated hypocrite would be destitute if it weren’t for the capitalist society he so blindly attacks.
If only you could screw your head on straight the rest of the way you’d be good to go.
small business id not create the middle class. the U.S. control of the world economy after world war 2 created the middle class. prior to 1945 there was only the working class and the bosses. after 1945, U.S. corporations saw skyrocketing profits and were thus able to pay their workers more and thus the middle class emerged. this lasted until the 70’s and since then we have seen a decrease of the middle class.
Wrong. The middle class has been emerging in the US since it began because people are, for the most part, free to exchange their property. This creates wealth and hence more people will have wealth under a system of capitalism.
The middle class shrunk more under the Bush Admin than any in history[/quote]
And grew like weeds under Reagan.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
gladiatorsteer wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
That fat bastard owes his ability to make a movie about capitalism on capitalism and then he bashes it while finger pointing at the unethical Wall Street fat-cats. He has no idea what capitalism is.
He misses all the things that come about as a result of capitalism – the mom and pops shops, technology, educational institutions, and even charity. I wish someone would shut him up.
See, there you go again making a great point. It IS small business that largely created the middle class and this bloated hypocrite would be destitute if it weren’t for the capitalist society he so blindly attacks.
If only you could screw your head on straight the rest of the way you’d be good to go.
small business id not create the middle class. the U.S. control of the world economy after world war 2 created the middle class. prior to 1945 there was only the working class and the bosses.
after 1945, U.S. corporations saw skyrocketing profits and were thus able to pay their workers more and thus the middle class emerged. this lasted until the 70’s and since then we have seen a decrease of the middle class.
Wrong. The middle class has been emerging in the US since it began because people are, for the most part, free to exchange their property. This creates wealth and hence more people will have wealth under a system of capitalism.
The middle class shrunk more under the Bush Admin than any in history
And grew like weeds under Reagan.[/quote]
not true
it really flew under Clinton though
OP, how the hell can you say Michael Moore has failed? Dude made bank on all of his movies, which was his intention from the beggining.
As far as his criticisms of gun control, capitalism, health care, he doesn’t want anything to get better. If it did he wouldn’t have anything to complain about, and therefore make money on.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The middle class shrunk more under the Bush Admin than any in history[/quote]
So? Are you implying it was capitalism that did this? I would say it was government spending and over consumption that destroyed the middle class. That is not capitalism. I would say government failed. But that is no surprise.
You do not even know what capitalism is yet you want to fault it just like Moore does.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
As far as his criticisms of gun control, capitalism, health care, he doesn’t want anything to get better. If it did he wouldn’t have anything to complain about, and therefore make money on.[/quote]
Well, fortunately for him under his idealized policies he would have tonnes of movie opportunities.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
it really flew under Clinton though[/quote]
Does Krugman have any inflation-adjusted per capita GDP plots vs. time for us to look at, or is he just appealing to authority (himself)?
Forgive me if I don’t place a lot of faith in a guy who’s always calling for more government spending regardless of how much faster our debt is growing than our GDP.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
He is blaming the corporate greed and irresponsibility with the mortgage industry on capitalism. Douche.
Dude, nobody would be greedy in capitalism-
Once true democracy and hence socialism is installed the never erring masses would lead us to new heights of productivity and fulfill every human need.
Those who failed to see the wisdom of said unerring masses would be gently re-educated for their own good and the, of course elected, bureaucrats would never ever have an agenda of their own.
Comrade, get with the program.
Moore is simply the vanguard of the workers’ permanent revolution. He’s a rather large vanguard. [/quote]
He is living proof of the correlative statistical fact that obese fat fucks have lower IQs than everyone else.