[quote]Dave2 wrote:
Ditto. Shipping is free with larger orders. Actually ‘medium’ orders depending on what you get. Don’t think I’ve ever had to pay for shipping.
Tastes the same to me, BTW – awesome as always!
Kalle wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Kinda disappointing and I’m going to reconsider the cost of Metabolic Drive now. It’s not the label price that bothers me, it’s the shipping costs. I used to just “eat” the shipping cost because I loved the product so much, but this formula change might change my allegiance to Metabolic Drive.
? I’ve never paid a dime for shipping from Biotest, shipping is free over 150 bucks… I stock up… Its not like it is hard to spend 150 bucks in the store.
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So you have to pay $150 to avoid shipping costs…hmm…it’s a nice business strategy for sure.
Oh, we’re both high-level buyers; so it seems we would both agree about the formula. I find it interesting that we don’t.
Maybe there are still tubs of the older formula being shipped? It’s happened before.
I find it difficult to believe I’ve gotten the same lots of protein throughout the year, especially when they’ve been out of vanilla or chocolate between some of those orders. I think chocolate is exactly the same as before. The banana and strawberry are too.
You’d be surprised how many people cannot tell the difference, probably including the people in this thread if there were any difference between the two. It happens a lot with brand loyalty as well.
Look, I know the difference between how things taste, lol.
Vanilla is not the same as it was. The consistency is quite different. I wouldn’t just say this shit for no reason, and hey, I didn’t even start the thread…
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
Ditto. Shipping is free with larger orders. Actually ‘medium’ orders depending on what you get. Don’t think I’ve ever had to pay for shipping.
Tastes the same to me, BTW – awesome as always!
Kalle wrote:
dhuge67 wrote:
Kinda disappointing and I’m going to reconsider the cost of Metabolic Drive now. It’s not the label price that bothers me, it’s the shipping costs. I used to just “eat” the shipping cost because I loved the product so much, but this formula change might change my allegiance to Metabolic Drive.
? I’ve never paid a dime for shipping from Biotest, shipping is free over 150 bucks… I stock up… Its not like it is hard to spend 150 bucks in the store.
So you have to pay $150 to avoid shipping costs…hmm…it’s a nice business strategy for sure.
Oh, we’re both high-level buyers; so it seems we would both agree about the formula. I find it interesting that we don’t.
Maybe there are still tubs of the older formula being shipped? It’s happened before.
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Yes it is, and I apprecite that they offer free shipping, 150 isn’t a huge order. I order 150-170 bucks worth of stuff and it lasts me at least two months… I like to stay stocked up.
I just opened the vanilla from my most recent order after finishing a container… and there is a texture change.
I dunno if taste is the primary difference, but I agree with the above post
Less flour like… more sand like
Also my container had a 70cc scoop, Not an 80cc scoop. I a not imagining this, I had my last serving of the old vanilla with about a 1/4 scoop left over…and because of this thread i checked it out. Feeling both…etc. and checking out the scoops.
How can the scoop size change, and still have the same Macro profile? If i have a 70cc scoop is it still 20g protein per serving.
Ive had my new chocolate though and the difference is not as noticeable as the vanilla.
If there were a change in scoop sizes, it would mean there might be less filler within the product, making it an even more pure product than before. Either way, I can’t see all of this making too much of a difference in the long run, if anything is different.
All I know is Metabolic Drive is one of the only proteins I can use 3 - 4 times a day without feeling terrible.
Out of curiosity, I checked out my Metabolic Drive. I have one can of Metabolic Drive Strawberry and one can of Metabolic Drive Vanilla left over from my 8/7/2007 order.
The scoop in the Vanilla reads 80 CC.
The scoop in the Strawberry reads 70 CC.
So the scoop sizes are definitely different - at least by flavor. (I finished my Chocolate and recycled the container, so I can’t try that one out.)
According to the Strawberry, one scoop is 28.5 grams. I took out my digital scale, zeroed it to account for the scoop. Indeed, one scoop was 28.5 grams.
The Vanilla label said that one scoop should be 29 grams. When I weighed a scoop, I got 31 and 30 grams. (These are trivial differences.)
I have no idea what the different scoops mean, if anything. But some people might be getting differently-sized scoops. Who knows?
So… My questions:
Did anyone get a 70 CC scoop in your latest order of Metabolic Drive Vanilla? Did you previously have a 70 CC scoop in the Vanilla?
Did anyone get an 80 CC scoop from a previous order of Strawberry? Did you get an 80 CC scoop in your latest order?
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I think the scoop just has the handle in the middle as opposed to at the top. Some of us forum members actually suggested this a while back and it looks like they listened. Crazy company this Biotest, listening to its customers like that.[/quote]
It’s posts like these that are why I don’t post here anymore. (I am sure this is pleasing to some.) See, you don’t even know what’s going on, yet you chime in with some theory as if you do. Your post is a metaphor for what happens in every thread. If you don’t know what’s going on, why not just read and learn?
Some guys are getting 80 CC scoops, some are getting 70 CC scoops. It’s not just a different handle placement. What the heck does that mean? I don’t know. But there’s no denying the difference in scoop sizes.
So quite a few regular customers (level 4 and 5s) have noted this. This is obviously important to some people who spend money, month after month. It’s not just some random haters posting. So they want an explanation, and they are entitled to one.
If scoop sizes for the same flavors of protein are different (re: some are 80 CC and others are 70 CC), why?
I hace both low carb and Metabolic Drive Complete, both have a 70cc scoop. Surge has a 60cc scoop. I havn’t noticed any change, however I mix mine in a blender and just chug away. I also only buy chocalate.
Anyways, here are the specs on my latest order of Metabolic Drive, Chocolate, which is most definitely different from the Chocolate Metabolic Drive of the past year to year-and-a-half.
Lot Number : 571629-01
Scoop Size : 70.0 CC
Scoop Handle Placement: top (lol)
Alright, I shouldn’t have gone off spouting off stuff without checking. I just looked at my new thing of Metabolic Drive chocolate and the scoop is 70 CC, the old scoop was 80 CC.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
I think the scoop just has the handle in the middle as opposed to at the top. Some of us forum members actually suggested this a while back and it looks like they listened. Crazy company this Biotest, listening to its customers like that.
It’s posts like these that are why I don’t post here anymore. (I am sure this is pleasing to some.) See, you don’t even know what’s going on, yet you chime in with some theory as if you do. Your post is a metaphor for what happens in every thread. If you don’t know what’s going on, why not just read and learn?
Some guys are getting 80 CC scoops, some are getting 70 CC scoops. It’s not just a different handle placement. What the heck does that mean? I don’t know. But there’s no denying the difference in scoop sizes.
So quite a few regular customers (level 4 and 5s) have noted this. This is obviously important to some people who spend money, month after month. It’s not just some random haters posting. So they want an explanation, and they are entitled to one.
If scoop sizes for the same flavors of protein are different (re: some are 80 CC and others are 70 CC), why? [/quote]
I went back and checked my stuff, the newer bottles have the scoop with the handle in the middle and that is an 80cc scoop, the olderr containers have a scoop with the handle at the top which is a 70cc scoop. I cant say anything about consistency as I havent had to order vanilla in months so I dont know what the deal is with that.
When I first started ordering here in 05 they all came with the 70cc,handle at the top, scoop, and it seems interesting that they now use an 80cc scoop and the nutrition panel stays the same (a 15% increase in scoop size).
I’m not calling conspiracy theory or anything, but it is an interesting observation.
Anyways, here are the specs on my latest order of Metabolic Drive, Chocolate, which is most definitely different from the Chocolate MD of the past year to year-and-a-half.
Lot Number : 571629-01
Scoop Size : 70.0 CC
Scoop Handle Placement: top (lol)[/quote]
My newest batch of Chocolate (less than a month old) has the 80cc, handle in middle. I cant find the lot number listen it just says “NC71639 1540” under the label. Smells and tastes as as I remember it being always. Only dif is the scoop, which is normally the 70cc
[quote]TC wrote:
Guys, to echo Mod Brian, we haven’t changed anything.
Yes, our price has gone up considerably because of increases in the price of milk, but we’ve yet to pass on any cost increases to you, nor, I repeat, have we changed the formula.
Heck, we just won an award from Men’s Health as the best protein powder. We’d be nuts to change anything now.
TC
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The price did go up on Metabolic Drive a few months back from $25.99 to $27.99, so there have been some minor increases in costs passed along to the buyer.
As for the taste, it seems to have minor differences between batches. My last batch of chocolate had a chocolate marshmellow smell and taste.
My most recent order has more of a chocolate cocoa smell and taste (and is a lighter chocolate flavor). In fact, this smells and tastes more like the original chocolate flavor way back in the day when Metabolic Drive was first released.
I’m not worried that the quality has changed as I understand that different lots will most likely have some taste variations.
The problem with having sophisticated consumers is that we’ll notice stuff others won’t. Of course, this should be viewed as a blessing. If regular consumers are noticing something is different, then quality control has an early warning and can do something about it. Just saying, “Nothing changed” isn’t the best way to go about this, imho, since regular customers know when something has changed.
I hope someone gets to the bottom of this. My wife is on my case about ordering her more chocolate Metabolic Drive. Biotest is the only protein she can stand; so if it’s changed (due to manufacturing error or whatever), we need to know this.
[quote]dhuge67 wrote:
Look, I know the difference between how things taste, lol.
Vanilla is not the same as it was. The consistency is quite different. I wouldn’t just say this shit for no reason, and hey, I didn’t even start the thread…[/quote]
I can’t comment on the other flavors, but I go through a ton of vanilla, and while there are very slight variations between batches, I haven’t noticed any significant changes recently.
[quote]Kalle wrote:
I’ve never paid a dime for shipping from Biotest, shipping is free over 150 bucks… I stock up… Its not like it is hard to spend 150 bucks in the store. [/quote]
Good to know. I just placed my first order here last week for $120. Wish I knew this before. I’ll keep it in mind next time.
Thirdside, Biotest makes good products, so dont worry just yet. Its just some members who order frequently are noticing changes.
On that note-
Made a shake today with vanilla (new container)
Normally when i make it, with ice cubes in my blender it comes out like soft serve ice cream. Today- not the case
It was like a snow cone with vanilla Metabolic Drive on it. The texture was nowhere near the same. I stopped buying banana and strawberry because they did not mix as well and vanilla was 1 of the 2 left that would come out like “ice cream”. The old creamy texture was good. Not ice chunks. ← those are bad.
And im still using the same blender, same sized ice cubes…etc. So this is not a bullshit figment of my imagination.
