Mental Fog - Causes?

I am the master at by hypersensitive about mental clarity. I started noticing it around 17. The more I read books I realized that high starchy carbs will produce a high seratonin output which will make you groggy.

But if you drop your carbs and you are not adapted to a lCD than you’ll feel the same way.

So experiment with your protein to carb ratio at each meal and always eat your protein first.

Foods that help clarity and focus are defenitely eggs (soft cooked) and high tyrosine foods like buffalo, steak, venisen.

Also being overly acidic can cause you to feel like crap. Adding something like perfect food twice daily will help.

since your earlier supp and food will influence you most the rest of the day for you i would suggest

Powerdrive on an empty stomach first thing, Or L glutamine , L tyrosine, and phostphatidly serine, and DLPA .

Than 30 minutes later soft boiled eggs small grass fed beef patty, green tea, and 2 fish oils. Maybe a grapefruit for some brain glucose if not adapted to a fat burning diet.

You will be set for the rest of the day with focus. and just be sure not to over do your carbs at any meal.

[quote]zogster wrote:
Yo Momma,
(sorry about the misspelling).

That’s what I figured.

I could try and explain more thoroughly and perhaps give you a glimpse of how others think … but it would be fruitless since you are certain of your correctness in the most absolute sense.[/quote]

If you would like to illuminate myself and others on the topic of “How People Think”, I could set up a seminar talk sponsored by the Department of Psychiatry here at the University. Better yet, wait for the Grand Rounds lecture at the Med school. The bagels are fresh and the coffee is from Starbucks…always draws a bigger crowd!

I pity you guys that are like canaries in a coal mine…

OMG, I ate a cracker, now I’ll be sluggish and mentally foggy for a week!

OMG, I skipped a meal, now I’ll be sluggish and mentally foggy for a week!

OMG, I’m freaking out about nothing, now I’ll be sluggish and mentally foggy for a week!

It’s a good thing we can all self-diagnose over the Internet, isn’t it? If you don’t really have a medical condition, consider taking a deeper look at your nutritional status and habits if you are so “frail” in these ways.

I find that when i have a mental block
taking a short break (15 min - 1 hr & 1/2) or eating foods with high protein content helps.

Adderall dude.

Iam no Dr. but I have had the same symptoms and I know its hard to concentrate on school. I found a book called, The Better Brain Book, by Dr. David Perlmutter
He stated that eating hyrogenated foods,isolates,(check for whey isolate on back of protein shakes, margarine, soy bean oil etc. not enuf sleep and not enough fish oil(omega3) and antioxidants can prevent brain cell communication as well as slow their reaction time.

I have had ASTOUNDING results
hope you will as well and I hope this helps…

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:

lol, wtf? What do you base this on? Clinical psychologists base all of their diagnoses on the DSM-IVTR, which is published by the APA- American Psychiatric Association.

The difference between psychologists and psychiatrists isn’t in how they diagnose, it’s how they treat the disorder. Psychiatrists prescribe drugs, psychologists can’t (although they can make recommendations to a family doctor, who will write the prescription). Is one approach better than the other?

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Bang on man.

Also remember, psychiatrists generaly follow the freud teachings. The guy was a idiot; obsessed with sexuality and a user of lots of coke.

As a side note, I am in university to a psychologist, althought I have considered psychiatry so I can do med school and do residency in a psych hospital.

Take a look at your diet. How much manganese do you consume in a day from your multi-vitamins? If you consume over 10mg per day you could suffer ADHD like symptoms. Also, do you eat a lot of artificial sweeteners?

Try to avoid these and stick to products sweetened by stevia. Toxins in the body can cause “mental fogginess”, so the best line of defense is a strong anti-oxidant cocktail. I take daily, about 5g of vitamin C (ascorbic acid), 50mg Zinc, 450mg of R(+)LA, and 500mg of L-Glutathione.

This is probably the most powerful anti-oxidant protocol that I’ve seen and it’s worked wonders for my recovery and mental clarity.
Also, avoiding shopping malls is a big help too. The products carried in malls are packaged with toxins that can tend to give mental fogginess…have you ever noticed that malls make you feel disoriented or dizzy?

And if you purchase new clothing make sure to wash it before you wear it as the same toxins are found in the fabrics.
Hope some of this helps.
Give it a try.

Since I started taking lecithin I’ve noticed more mental clarity. I also find creatine is good for mental acuity.

I strongly suggest you do some research on Dr. Abram Hoffer and his approach to treating mental and cognitive problems with orthomolecular medicine.

Orthomolecular medicine is based on nutrition and nutritional supplements that are naturally found in the human body/diet. It addresses the cause of disease and/or imbalances caused by micronutrient deficiencies.

Even if you have a great diet, if you have a genetic predisposition toward a problem (perhaps an inherited digestive issue for example, that you don’t even realize you have), you may not be getting all the nutrients your brain needs from your diet.

Wow. I had pretty much given up on this thread when we started getting into psychological stuff. I was just looking for an idea of some nutritional manipulation I could try out. Now I’m checking the thread and there’s a ton nutritional stuff! It will take me months to try all of these suggestions.

I’m not sure what I’m allegedly “sure” about - confused by that whole section of this thread.

I think many other people have valid points, including the stuff about taking on too much responsibility. I will have to review pretty much every single one of these comments to see if they apply to me or not. Hopefully others will also find this information useful.

Finally, I am not trying to play amateur medical professional, nor do I intend to “diagnose” myself or rule out anything completely. (I have only said I would “think about” this and “don’t think I have” that.) I have taken the medical route before. I’d like to take what I believe to be a more sensible route - rule out nutritional factors first - before I engage in another round of money-wasting medical interventions. (Incidentally, this is what doctors typically do: rule out the basics.)
I can try one thing every two weeks, instead of trying something once every few months with a doctor.

This is not to say that I don’t think some people aren’t right about the risks involved in this approach. However, doctors dismiss this kind of stuff. If I needed to get tested for a tumor, they wouldn’t take my concerns seriously until I’d gone to psychotherapy long enough to start bleeding from the nose.

Powerdrive does not seem to have helped. Neither has 1 Surge tablet. I would say, however, that it is possible that my mental state is more normal than I believe it to be.

Just to answer LittleBigMuscles specifically:

I attempt to eat whole foods, no soda, etc. I don’t really need sugar - I tend to eat food straight and don’t sweeten my foods. My philosophy is, “If you want sugar, have sugar.” I tend to only want sugar once and awhile if I eat sensibly. I care less than most people do about how stuff tastes - I just eat my food.

I hate shopping. I probably go to a mall once or twice a year and primarily get new clothes as gifts around Christmas. Needless to say, my wardrobe sucks. Probably once I meet my physical goals I will buy myself new clothing. I’ll keep your advice in mind then.

[quote]zogster wrote:
CLewis,

If you find an answer, please post back here and let me know. I am perplexed by feelings quite like yours.

My background has some similarities to yours as well, at least in a successful academic history, in reluctance to “take stuff”, and generally tame behaviors.

In my searching, so far ADD seems like the most accurate name for my “problem”.
ADD is usually treated with stimulants, as it is a result of an understimulated brain (leading to the inability to focus normally)

People with ADD are often prone to risk-taking as a way to naturally self-medicate (i.e. stimulate) themselves. You mentioned that your “one moment of clarity” came after doing something you considered dangerous.
…Are you sure that you don’t have some “risky” behavior that you find yourself partaking in (or longing to partake in), even though you know better? - You don’t have to answer this.

I am not trying to diagnose you. I don’t know you, and I am not qualified. You seem like a smart guy who needs to figure things out for yourself - (usually the hard way, I suspect).

If you are similar to me, then you might find yourself wondering why you always take the path of greatest resistance.

I may be mistaken, but I think that my fogginess is getting worse with age (and kids) - maybe it is just a lack of time to take care of myself the way I used to, or perhaps just increased awareness.

Recently, I tried Adderall, and I have noticed that it did seem to alleviate some of my “foggy” symptoms. But the benefits did not seem to outweigh my aversion to “taking stuff”. I am still evaluating my opinion on this. I may try it again.

I caved and went the medical route because I could see that my work was being adversely affected by my distraction. When I was younger, I could compensate for my fogginess by pulling-off “super-human” feats of endurance and focus (e.g. all-weekers - as opposed to all-nighters). Wherever I worked, it seemed like I got nicknamed “the machine” - perhaps not what you would expect for a guy who currently thinks the best diagnosis for his “problem” is ADD.

Do you relate to this? If so, have you thought about what got you to the point where you needed to do something “superhuman” to be successful (or at least live up to your own (high) expectations)?

Anyway, there are varying degrees and different manifestations of “ADD”.
Sometimes it can be a strength - or at least the mechanisms that one develops for coping/succeeding with ADD can become strengths - such as a strong will and self-discipline.

Anyway ADD is not always personified by the goof-off troublemaker kid, or a quirky outwardly unfocused personality. You may be doing yourself a disservice by eliminating it from the pool of suspects so quickly. Look into it, read a little, look at yourself honestly (this is difficult). It won’t hurt you to do a little research. You probably think you have an open mind - but how open is it really?

Worst case is nothing changes. If you are lucky then you may pick up some pointers for aligning you energies in a single direction, you may find a reason for some of your feelings - or at least learn that others are similar to you.


I look back on my life and see an unfocused mess. However, most people would probably consider me to be pretty successful.

Despite that, I feel that my efforts have been directed pretty haphazardly, and often wonder what I could have accomplished if I could always stay as focused and clear as I know that I am capable of.

When I am “on” - I impress myself, otherwise (most of the time) I wonder what the heck I am doing - because it seems like a waste.

By the way, I am about to break down and try some Spike here in the near future.
If I do, I will post back to this thread with my opinions.

OK - I am done writing and sounding like an idiot. I should get back to work - but I just can bring myself to do it :slight_smile:

Also, I may be completely off-base, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I saw some similarities to myself, so I used it as an excuse to waste some time.

Oh yeah - martial arts and meditation always helped me. I am trying to figure out how to work those back into my life at the moment.
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have you told your shrink about these episodes, the all-weekers? sounds like it could be bipolar. if that’s the case, the last things you want to take are stims like spike, because you could go beyond hypermanic and have a psychotic break. lemme tell ya, not fun!

[quote]keaster wrote:
Also remember, psychiatrists generaly follow the freud teachings. The guy was a idiot; obsessed with sexuality and a user of lots of coke.

As a side note, I am in university to a psychologist, althought I have considered psychiatry so I can do med school and do residency in a psych hospital. [/quote]

psychiatrists stopped doing the freudian thing a long time ago. you should research a little more before you continue on your path, because you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.

Pot, hangovers, exhuastion, overtraining, listening to advise on forums, etc. All causes of metal fog. I got it today, bad.
What fixes it…Mostly some good sleep will take care of it. Yerba Mate tea and Spike! will help part the clouds in your brain. Caffiene will not help at all. A psychiatrist is just a bit extreme, but if you are really into altering your brain chemistry go ahead.

CLewis,
I had a very similar situation a few months ago, and did the exact same thing as you did, and came looking on this forum for help. In order to help, I’ll give you the best tips I received not only from here, but other mediums of information.

  1. No more processed foods! Whole grain is the way to go.

  2. Hydrate yourself

  3. Fruits and Veggies

  4. Fish Oil is very good, you’ll notice it after 1.5 months to 2. That’s when I did.

  5. A balanced diet is crucial

  6. Read, no more TV. I largely limit Tv now, and find a couple of programs I want to watch each week. DO NOT channel surf anymore. You should be reading instead. And read challenging things, don’t read something that bores you.

  7. Sleep… Enough said.

This lists the most practicle and useful things to me. I did try things like meditation, but it wasn’t very practicle, because of a busy schedule.

I hope this helps, and ‘get well’ soon.

[quote]apayne wrote:
Gyarrgh, thank you for making me feel like an asshole. Oh well, a little brain damage adds character just like a facial scar! Really, I’m sure it will be fine, I’ll update.[/quote]

Sorry - just wanted to make sure you got to a doc!

Hey Apayne - you alright buddy?