Sounds like MB and I are both targeting 2009 for our big impacts. If Mbaina nailed Mr. Puerto Rico and I capture the state bench press record what a T-Nation feat that would be. Sadly [for me] I think Mbaina is closer to his dream than I am too mine. But go MB go
[quote]kayveeay wrote:
World1187 wrote:
kayveeay wrote:
What will your PCT look like? If you’re using slin and GH, will you be throwing HCG in for PCT?
Why would he use HCG as a part of his PCT? Please explain your reasoning to me.
World
I wasn’t suggesting he use HCG, just wondering if he was. I was wondering that since if he has access to GH and slin, he probably has access to HCG, which can be of help during a test cycle.
Just asking. No reasoning[/quote]
Well just out of curiosity… exactly what help can it be of in your opinion? And why only during a test cycle, since you were so specific?
And why the hell would he want HCG during PCT?
World
[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
mbaina wrote:
If anyones interested, I just started a 12wk cycle Sat (May 31). Here’s what it looks like:
Wks 1-12: 250mg Test Cyp eod
100mg NPP eod
50mg Test Prop eod
Wks 8-12: 50mg Winny eod
Wks 3- : 10ius GH eod pwo
Wks 4-12: 6ius am, 6 ius pwo Humolog
Wks 7-12: 25mcgs cytomel ed
If there’s enough people interested I will give weekly updates with pictures.
-M
regarding the humolog, is this your first time using or have u found that 6ius am/pwo is better then 10-12 ius pwo alone? considering using soon but not sure which way would be more effective. [/quote]
Dave, may i give you some friendly advice?
The thing is, i really really believe that you needn’t bother with slin or anything like that. You could gain fantastically from JUST AAS over the next 10 years, then maybe move to more advanced products.
Just because you CAN use them doesnt always mean you should.
I say this because for one, i have made the same decision for the exact reason i gave to you and for 2, you have alot of growing to do. You are nowhere near far enough down the road to bother with much other than test and the usual suspects. Me too though, i am not judging you or anything, i just want to help you make a good decision here - The fact we see alot of guys here using igf, mgf, gh, slin and many on really quite high doses of AAS it makes it tempting to throw them into our cycles - but the truth is we are simply not ready - let me re-phrase that, we are not in NEED of those products in order to maximise gains as of yet.
What do you think?
For me, i intend to compete too - and while i may have used my “ace card”, i know i can do well in my first (quite a) few competitions with upto 600mg of test and maybe another anabolic in there too.
Maybe as i progress or the competition gets harder i can start to use gh, slin and 1g of test with 2 or 3 more anabolics… but that can be a slow progression over the next 15 years if need be. This will afford me progression. Alot like not using advanced intensity techniques in the first few years of training - or DC for example… If i threw it all in at the start, maybe i could burn out, leaving me nowhere to go.
You dont have to do what i do, just thought i would present it to you as it makes sense FOR ME at least… and i think you could benefit from this philosophy.
Good luck. No offence intended whatsoever.
JJ
On a side note: I just started synthol today. I’m using it in the medial head of my delts.
[quote]mbaina wrote:
On a side note: I just started synthol today. I’m using it in the medial head of my delts.[/quote]
I am very very interested in how that goes for you too Mbaina. Tis is a great thread!
Well, I put in the synth about an hour ago. 3x.5cc’s in each medial head of my delts. Didn’t hurt at all, used 1" slin pins. My shoulders feel like I had a great workout or something. Kind of sore, but in a good way. Also very noticeably swollen, like the best shoulder pump I’ve ever had.
Thanks for taking the time to run a log for everyone. They are my favorite posts and I seem to learn the most from them. Can you post your diet sometime.
keep on posting. I will say that I personally do not believe in insulin use whatsoever. It is a recipe for disaster down the road.
As for your synthol use, same thing. You are just creating health problems for yourself later on. Keep in mind that stuff is going to have to go through your kidneys sooner or later.
And what JJ stated, 210 at 10% BF and your height is not impressive yet at all for you to be risking doing these things. If you are having to resort to these practices this early in your BB developement you are definitely NOT going to make pro.
10 ius of GH eod with the slin and pwo? I don’t even do that much. And staying on that much all the time. Not a good plan.
However this is your body and your decision.
In the past I went up to 6iu’s of GH ed split up into two doses. This time around, I’m going to be using 10ius eod pwo only on workout days. How much do you use Prisoner? I’m always up for any suggestions, nothing is written in stone.
-M
[quote] JJ wrote:
Dave1188 wrote:
mbaina wrote:
If anyones interested, I just started a 12wk cycle Sat (May 31). Here’s what it looks like:
Wks 1-12: 250mg Test Cyp eod
100mg NPP eod
50mg Test Prop eod
Wks 8-12: 50mg Winny eod
Wks 3- : 10ius GH eod pwo
Wks 4-12: 6ius am, 6 ius pwo Humolog
Wks 7-12: 25mcgs cytomel ed
If there’s enough people interested I will give weekly updates with pictures.
-M
regarding the humolog, is this your first time using or have u found that 6ius am/pwo is better then 10-12 ius pwo alone? considering using soon but not sure which way would be more effective.
Dave, may i give you some friendly advice?
The thing is, i really really believe that you needn’t bother with slin or anything like that. You could gain fantastically from JUST AAS over the next 10 years, then maybe move to more advanced products.
Just because you CAN use them doesnt always mean you should.
I say this because for one, i have made the same decision for the exact reason i gave to you and for 2, you have alot of growing to do. You are nowhere near far enough down the road to bother with much other than test and the usual suspects.
Me too though, i am not judging you or anything, i just want to help you make a good decision here - The fact we see alot of guys here using igf, mgf, gh, slin and many on really quite high doses of AAS it makes it tempting to throw them into our cycles - but the truth is we are simply not ready - let me re-phrase that, we are not in NEED of those products in order to maximise gains as of yet.
What do you think?
For me, i intend to compete too - and while i may have used my “ace card”, i know i can do well in my first (quite a) few competitions with upto 600mg of test and maybe another anabolic in there too.
Maybe as i progress or the competition gets harder i can start to use gh, slin and 1g of test with 2 or 3 more anabolics… but that can be a slow progression over the next 15 years if need be. This will afford me progression. Alot like not using advanced intensity techniques in the first few years of training - or DC for example… If i threw it all in at the start, maybe i could burn out, leaving me nowhere to go.
You dont have to do what i do, just thought i would present it to you as it makes sense FOR ME at least… and i think you could benefit from this philosophy.
Good luck. No offence intended whatsoever.
JJ[/quote]
i love friendly advice! anyway i am reluctant to take the slin but i love the idea of it and thus the research. I understand the severity of it and primarily wanna try it as a bridge but like i said im reluctant.
I understand that i have not come close to my aas potential and with that said, i am undecided as of now. Anyway i have some Humolog on hand but have NOT touched it yet. i appreciate the concern and the last thing your going to do is offend me.
[quote]Prisoner wrote:
keep on posting. I will say that I personally do not believe in insulin use whatsoever. It is a recipe for disaster down the road.
As for your synthol use, same thing. You are just creating health problems for yourself later on. Keep in mind that stuff is going to have to go through your kidneys sooner or later.
And what JJ stated, 210 at 10% BF and your height is not impressive yet at all for you to be risking doing these things. If you are having to resort to these practices this early in your BB developement you are definitely NOT going to make pro.
10 ius of GH eod with the slin and pwo? I don’t even do that much. And staying on that much all the time. Not a good plan.
However this is your body and your decision. [/quote]
as far as slin being a disaster down the road… if cycled something like 3weeks on 3weeks off, wouldn’t that cause the body to maintain normal slin sensitivity? sorry for the hijack
Im really interested in seeing what the synthol has done for ya… Would love to see some before and after pics…
Stay on each dose at least 6 days even if the ‘pain’ is gone, I learned the hard way 2nd cycle: it will make your muscle so inflamed it will hurt to much to inject in addition won’t stretch the fascia out properly and will form lumps, no matter how slowly you inject or massage or work it after wards. That happened on second cycle of it so it definitely will happen first one.
-Something I learned hard way that Big A’s thread didn’t put an emphasis on that much.
Let us know the pain you feel when you hang from pull up bar at week 3 (wide grip palms out) 
[quote]Prisoner wrote:
keep on posting. I will say that I personally do not believe in insulin use whatsoever. It is a recipe for disaster down the road.
As for your synthol use, same thing. You are just creating health problems for yourself later on. Keep in mind that stuff is going to have to go through your kidneys sooner or later.
And what JJ stated, 210 at 10% BF and your height is not impressive yet at all for you to be risking doing these things. If you are having to resort to these practices this early in your BB developement you are definitely NOT going to make pro.
10 ius of GH eod with the slin and pwo? I don’t even do that much. And staying on that much all the time. Not a good plan.
However this is your body and your decision. [/quote]
What in gods name are you on about?!
i think you may have got a bit confused.
I aim to get to 210 at 10% in the next year, with the 10% just what i intend to hold before cutting to just under 200lbs for my show. I will be doing that with use of cycles of test upto 600mg a week only. I am not anywhere near the stage where i need to use slin, high dose anabolics, synthol, gh or any of that! I am actually one of the reserved ones and i an deliberate in that so as to have a decent amount of progression in me.
I have so far built what i have on less than most here at my level or so.
5-600mg of Test and maybe an anabolic is all i need to get a hell of a lot of improvement, and i intend to compete in my FIRST contest at just under 200lbs at 5-6% at 5’8" on the back of basic, fairly low dose cycles. No special ingredients that i can save for when i stop growing off 600mg.
I most certainly do not use everything in my power as it is, and i was telling Dave not to either.
Where did you think i thought 210 at 10% was impressive and where did you get the idea that i am “on all sorts already” and if so then i wont have a chance making pro… Needless to say it pissed me off a little, However I agree if i was at my low level and needing to do everything in my power - then i would have little chance, but i most certainly am not.
WHO said i expected to make pro?! lol… i remember saying i was definitly aiming to make a decent amateur… MAYBE get a card… but we’ll see what the next few years hold.
Let me re-cap. I am one of the low dose “crew” here. Chill out pris… i re read my post, i think you may be confused?
Joe
As an aside,
JJ – new Dex avatar, MOTHER OF GOD.
I know - people forget how big he actually is… they say “the conditioning” “small frame” all that shit… HE IS FUCKING MASSIVE STILL! lol!
JJ
Well, its day 6 of my cycle and day 3 of my synthol. Maybe I’m sick but I love pinning everyday, I look foward to it! Its probably gonna be another week or so before I start feeling the full effects. I’m about to go train legs, so I’ll let you know how it goes. As far as the synthol, all I can say is wow. I wish I had discovered this sooner.
[quote] JJ wrote:
Prisoner wrote:
And what JJ stated, 210 at 10% BF and your height is not impressive yet at all for you to be risking doing these things. If you are having to resort to these practices this early in your BB development you are definitely NOT going to make pro.
What in gods name are you on about?!
Where did you think i thought 210 at 10% was impressive and where did you get the idea that i am “on all sorts already” and if so then i wont have a chance making pro… Needless to say it pissed me off a little, However I agree if i was at my low level and needing to do everything in my power - then i would have little chance, but i most certainly am not.
Joe[/quote]
Re-read it, JJ.
[quote]Quicksilver0587 wrote:
JJ wrote:
Prisoner wrote:
And what JJ stated, 210 at 10% BF and your height is not impressive yet at all for you to be risking doing these things. If you are having to resort to these practices this early in your BB development you are definitely NOT going to make pro.
What in gods name are you on about?!
Where did you think i thought 210 at 10% was impressive and where did you get the idea that i am “on all sorts already” and if so then i wont have a chance making pro… Needless to say it pissed me off a little, However I agree if i was at my low level and needing to do everything in my power - then i would have little chance, but i most certainly am not.
Joe
Re-read it, JJ.[/quote]
Yep, have another look JJ, think you got it wrong there.
He’s talking about M. Correct?
It still looks like it is to me - to me, but i believe you both, i am touchy. I apologise Prisoner.
Mbaina, would you like to cut and paste my post? You can to save the stress of getting angry yourself… ;p
Sorry prisoner, it does read like it is to me - i wondered why it made no sense at all!!!
I also did say at some point in another thread that i aimed to be 210 at 10% in the next 12 months! So it fit - i couldnt work out why he was bringing it up here though…! lmao!
JJ