Well what about THIS?
And showing a negatve result on 3 people does not show that it doesnât work. What of the thousands of people who are being helped? Should that information just be ignored?
This is the equivalent of my stating:
âI scored a layup on LeBron James, but that doesnât mean I am a better basketball player than himâ
and you responding with
âAnd me NOT scoring a layup on LeBron James does not mean that I am not a better basketball player than himâ
Fortunately, there is a good way for us to determine whether I am better at basketball than LeBron James. We can play a game to 11 points, or some other number, where it is more likely that the person who scored more points is actually the better basketball player than the result of a single possession.
âŠkind of like clinical-research studies, which give the drug to some patients but not others, so we evaluate a sufficiently large population to determine whether the treatment is actually benefiting patients more than the background noise.
Letâs stick with the spinal-injury realm for a moment, since you brought it up. Presumably many of these patients are also getting physical therapy. How do we know that the stem-cell treatment is responsible for regaining movement? It could just be the physical therapy taking effect. We can answer that question by designing a randomized trial where one arm receives âphysical therapyâ and the other receives âphysical therapy plus stem cell treatment.â
Merely illustrating that âphysical therapy plus stem cell treatmentâ patients had improved function does not guarantee that the stem cells are helping. But if the âphysical therapy plus stem cell treatmentâ arm does better than the âphysical therapy aloneâ arm, now we have a finding that we can hang our hats on.
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How does this relate to the fact that the aim of Big Pharma is to make as much money as possible? So if Big Pharma can make more profits by selling their garbage drugs vs. stem cell therapy that is what they will do. Any negative news about stem cells, justified or not, is good news for them. Pure and simple
What has been the results of physical therapy on patients with spinal-injuries thus far? Are they regaining movement to the degree that stem cell patients are? And this, Spinal Cord Injury Archives - Stem Cell Institute
As they are unregulated and not in the US, how would it be possible to know that?
Then why would they not endorse this wonderful treatment of yours? A patent on such a thing would be worth a fortune!
Or like garbage stem-cell clinics making profits in the instance that ED pointed out was CLEAR malpractice? Where can we I find one of these virtuous men to blind me in both eyes?
The thing that they donât tell you is the exact nature of the injury. Iâve known people that have broken the vertebra in their neck and back, and have even dislocated my own spine. Hell, a friend of mine had multiple vertebra crushed and his rib cage broken away from his spine among other things, and he gets around just fine now.
Typically there is temporary paralysis due to swelling from the trauma of the actual physical break. With no severing of the spinal chord, the treatment is to surgically repair the vertebra, treat the inflammation, immobilize the area of the break and let time heal all wounds. The success rate for these is very high.
When the spine is severed partially or completely is when you run into problems. Even in a partial sever there can be a lot of room for healing and re-routing of nerve signals to take place, but as the severity of the injury increases, the likely hood of recovery decreases.
So, without knowing about the exact nature of the break and damage to the spinal chord itself, that tidbit actually means very little, and to anybody that has suffered long term paralysis- virtually nothing. In fact, some would take it as providing false hope and find it offensive.
I know that if you showed that to my brother, he would laugh in your face(more like belly button). Heâs seen shit like that for 25 years, and so have I. The next new greatest thing in the pipeline! Iâve become pretty sick of seeing that type of stuff too. After so many for so long it just becomes old and tired.
Show me someone with a severed spinal chord and the imaging to prove it that receives that treatment successfully. Have them walk up and show me the results in the form of a handshake. Iâll gladly buy them a beer.
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Very valid points. If only there was a way to evaluate the safety and efficacy of potential treatments that allowed us to systematically control for such confounding variables and account for their effects. If such a powerful and informative tool existed, itâs hard to imagine how anyone could object to bringing it to bear on medical issues such as this.
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I know, right? But when you place all of those criteria on it you have to be very scientific and methodical.
If we could just combine the two somehow.
Thereâs this guy, Dr. Maroon that has done some amazing things in the field. If anybody knows how, itâs probably him.
No it isnât you simply do research if you want to entertain their services.
Because they can make more money off selling their garbage drugs. Very simple. All the while making the public suffer in the meantime. A big fail for the supposed âfree marketâ of the healthcare industry.
So you equate the malpractice against these 3 individuals with the tens of thousands of people that have been helped by this therapy?
These people have had loss of feelings for years so this isnât temporary. ff you or your brother need to see images then I suggest either one of you to contact them for that information. I donât believe all of these people have had minor injuries that can be treated with surgery and physical therapy.
Talk about pipeline sounds like a ploy from Big Pharma to give off the impression that something wonderful is around the corner. So just hang tight.
It is already helping tens of thousands of people. Because you donât know EXACTLY how it works is no reason to keep it from the public.
It may be hard to imagine corporations keeping this from the public but profits reign supreme and this is exactly what they do. The healthcare system is awful and needs to be wrestled away from these scumbags and they should be brought up for prosecution.
Who do you think has a hand in that project you linked?
Also, I read that article pretty thoroughly, but must have missed the time factor that you are mentioning. It was my impression that they were tracking the recovery of people immediately post injury to 9 mos. out, which is the sweet spot for recovery for such injuries.
Believe me when I tell you- I have poured through thousands of articles just like the one you linked. Not one yet has panned out, let alone âFound a cure for paralysisâ as was stated in their blog.
So if you can find the part of that article that states they have treated people who have had long standing injuries and experienced measurable improvement outside of that window of the first year post injury, Iâd like to see it.
Tens of thousands of people already have been helped or are currently being helped. Why keep this choice from the public? Medicinal marijuana was legalized at the behest of the public without any double-blind randomized studies while Big Pharma fought it until they realized they could not win.
To equate criticism of corporate greed with a 2nd sun or Pizza-gate. Really? Is that the best you got? Stop embarrassing yourself.
You know that the exact nature of the injuries treated was not divulged, nor the time frame of the administration of that treatment- so you revert back to the same old rhetoric.
Not Big Pharma.
https://www.cellmedicine.com/stem-cell-therapy/patient-stories/spinal-cord-injury-patient-stories/
Daniel W suffered a T-8 complete spinal cord injury about 6 years ago. Howâs that for outside the sweet spot?
THE EARTH IS FLAT!
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