Matt Cassel to the Chiefs

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[quote]msd0060 wrote:
Matt Cassel + Mike Vrabel to the disgusting KC Chiefs for a whopping 2nd round pick.

I’m sorry, wasn’t a franchise tag supposed to net you a great trade?

The Bucs gave 2 picks to the Browns for Kellen Winslow who doesn’t really play too much. Cassel and Vrabel just got slapped in the face IMO.
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The way i see it, They gave up a good player who’s productivity has been slowly declining, And a good up and coming QB who they where going to over pay to ride the bench. By trading Cassel and Vrable for the 34th pick in the draft, They can sign a good player who slipped out of the first round, And they free’d up over 14 mil in cap space to go find some good players on the free agent market right now.

Over all seemed like a good deal, personally i would have liked to see some conditional 2010 picks to go along with it.

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Ya, i would have like to see something else down the road for the Pats in all this. i realize it frees up a lot of room for moves, that need to be made, but IMO last year Cassel already up and CAME, G-N-P, they should have got more “guaranteed” up front in this deal for those 2 guys, not just room and an unproven rookie… on a side not, G-N-P who is that dancing in your avatar??

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I’m so happy since I’m from KC. This way when all those fucking religious-like zealot fans of the Chiefs watch they can be crushed when we still suck even with a good QB. These fans are loyal to a fault. I predict plenty of good passes that are fumbled or completely missed…that is if they can protect him long enough to get a pass off. Poor guy will probably have his career shortened due to injuries playing for this shit team.

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You know what, maybe Pioli has some dirt on the Pats.

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Knowing the Patriots, this will probably end up being a steal for them. This is a second rounder, but it is a really high second rounder. The Patriots usually draft well so they could easily get a good player.

Why does everybody think that Cassel is stud? Sure, he had a great season by most people’s standards, but look at his team. The year before they might have been the best team ever.

He looks like garbage if you compare him to what Brady did the season before. A 10-5 as a starter isn’t all that great when you consider Brady went 16-0. He couldn’t even lead them to the playoffs!

He threw for 1,113 less yards than Brady, completed 5.5 less of his passes, and threw 3 more interceptions while throwing 29 less touchdowns. Oh, and by the way his passer rating was 27.8 lower than Brady’s.

As for Vrabel, he’s 33. He probably doesn’t have a ton left. Since 2005, his tackles have decreased from 108 to 89 to 77 to 62.

If there is one team not to second guess, it’s the Patriots…and I’m not a Patriots fan.

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[quote]Eielson wrote:
Knowing the Patriots, this will probably end up being a steal for them. This is a second rounder, but it is a really high second rounder. The Patriots usually draft well so they could easily get a good player.[/quote]

you mean when they traded Greg Jenning for chad Jackson in '06? lol, they did get mankins, Hobbs and Cassel in 05, and deon btranch in 02 and got rid of him just in time…

knowing the pats luck cassel will struggle in a new offense, seeing that the NE offense is the only one he’s ran since - high school?? and everyone will say the pats are geniuses and he was a fluke.

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Why does everybody think that Cassel is stud? Sure, he had a great season by most people’s standards, but look at his team. The year before they might have been the best team ever.[/quote]

i dont think that they think he’s a stud, but is Brady really healthy? i mean 100%? not just good enought to walk down the isle, but to run scramble out of a pocket with 300lbs chasing you?.. and not have arguably the best #2 in the league waiting on your sidelines?

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He looks like garbage if you compare him to what Brady did the season before. A 10-5 as a starter isn’t all that great when you consider Brady went 16-0. He couldn’t even lead them to the playoffs!

He threw for 1,113 less yards than Brady, completed 5.5 less of his passes, and threw 3 more interceptions while throwing 29 less touchdowns. Oh, and by the way his passer rating was 27.8 lower than Brady’s.[/quote]

ok, i agree here, best QB performance, EVER. i just dont think you can really compare the 2, bradys been at the helm of the system since 01 when Bledsoe got drilled agains the NY Brets-EEERRR- Jets (couldnt help it). and Cassel has been WATCHING the system for 2 years? no comp.

He’s gotten more, younger help since 05 too, yes he lost some vets, but back in 05 he was part of a GREAT D, and that mean everybody excels…

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If there is one team not to second guess, it’s the Patriots…and I’m not a Patriots fan.[/quote]

oh, and, i am a Pats fan, so maybe my opinions are skewed :slight_smile:

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I’m surprised the Pats put all their eggs in the Brady basket. I thought that Brady getting married (if he even did) was a sign that he was preparing for a downswing of a season. He might as well go ahead and marry a supermodel while he still has the chance.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
MangoMan305 wrote:
Im surprised it was only a second round pick…I think it might have just been they really didnt want to pay for Matt AND Brady, so they just wanted to get rid of him… but damn only a second rounder?

Depends how you look at it. Bear in mind the huge money teams have to pay top ten picks now, which is probably going to lead to action from the commissioner/owners when the CBA comes up in two (?) years.

I think the third pick in the draft (Chiefs first rounder) is looking at something like $30 million guaranteed. The Pats might well prefer a very good player who just slipped out of the first round, for a fraction of the price. Strange but true.

And I love Mike Vrabel, but the LB corps needs to get younger and faster in a big way. His sacks also dropped way off last year.[/quote]

Still doesn’t make sense. Why not take the Chiefs first rounder and use it as possible trade bait to get maybe a later first round pick and a second rounder.

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word. i get mad b/c i like Vrabel and think he makes a lot of clutch plays but i know Bill Belichick is an evil genius and probaly has some crazy trick up his sleeve. we’ll see.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
MangoMan305 wrote:
Im surprised it was only a second round pick…I think it might have just been they really didnt want to pay for Matt AND Brady, so they just wanted to get rid of him… but damn only a second rounder?

Depends how you look at it. Bear in mind the huge money teams have to pay top ten picks now, which is probably going to lead to action from the commissioner/owners when the CBA comes up in two (?) years.

I think the third pick in the draft (Chiefs first rounder) is looking at something like $30 million guaranteed. The Pats might well prefer a very good player who just slipped out of the first round, for a fraction of the price. Strange but true.

And I love Mike Vrabel, but the LB corps needs to get younger and faster in a big way. His sacks also dropped way off last year.

Still doesn’t make sense. Why not take the Chiefs first rounder and use it as possible trade bait to get maybe a later first round pick and a second rounder. [/quote]

Yeah, true, but that assumes someone else wants the third pick/a certain player. A high 2nd rounder seemed like a bit too little, but I’m just saying there are reasons why the Pats settled for it.

The more interesting thing is how the Broncos hung Cutler out there. Really stupid move by McDaniels, especially in his second month as a head coach. I think Cutler’s probably better than Cassel anyway.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
word. i get mad b/c i like Vrabel and think he makes a lot of clutch plays but i know Bill Belichick is an evil genius and probaly has some crazy trick up his sleeve. we’ll see.[/quote]

Lots of speculation on talk radio here (I live near KC) that Pioli and Belicheck (sp) worked this out weeks ago. Pioli, seeing the bad situation KC was in wrt the QB situation (and everything else) didnt accept the job until he knew this deal for Cassel was a sure thing. Of course highly unethical, but who’s to know?

The Pats free up about $20m to secure another high profile free agent, they dont pay $14m to a guy wearing a headset and holding a clipboard, and the Chiefs (undoubtedly) upgrade at the QB position over one Tyler Thigpen, and thereby do NOT have to burn a #3 pick on a weak QB draft class. Stafford, Sanchez, and/or Freeman would not have anywhere NEAR the polish that Cassel has at this point in his career, and the price would have been similar.

Cassel has been compared to Scott Mitchell- okay, maybe. But he sure gives the Chiefs more to work with than Thigpen.
Vrabel maybe has 1-3 years left in the tank; but that team needs a veteran to grab facemasks and make a bunch of 1st and 2nd year players do their jobs. Chiefs were mollycoddled under Vermeil, and Herman Edwards was a ‘players coach’; no long practices and Fridays off.

Anyway, if the Chefs win even 5 or 6 games- it will be seen as marked improvement for a fan base that is starved for success.

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Cassel is a pretty damn good QB, he’s not Tom Brady but then again Tom Brady is like the Michael Jordan of QBs.

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For the record, is everyone forgetting that Bellicheck is historically a pretty good drafter? Yeah, everyone’s going to make mistakes. An early second-round pick could go miles for a team, though. I generally put more value in 2nd and 3rd picks than I do in 1st rounders, in all honesty.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
MangoMan305 wrote:
Im surprised it was only a second round pick…I think it might have just been they really didnt want to pay for Matt AND Brady, so they just wanted to get rid of him… but damn only a second rounder?

Depends how you look at it. Bear in mind the huge money teams have to pay top ten picks now, which is probably going to lead to action from the commissioner/owners when the CBA comes up in two (?) years.

I think the third pick in the draft (Chiefs first rounder) is looking at something like $30 million guaranteed. The Pats might well prefer a very good player who just slipped out of the first round, for a fraction of the price. Strange but true.

And I love Mike Vrabel, but the LB corps needs to get younger and faster in a big way. His sacks also dropped way off last year.

Still doesn’t make sense. Why not take the Chiefs first rounder and use it as possible trade bait to get maybe a later first round pick and a second rounder. [/quote]

The Chiefs have the third pick.

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[quote]dakotah_13 wrote:
i dont think that they think he’s a stud, but is Brady really healthy? i mean 100%? not just good enought to walk down the isle, but to run scramble out of a pocket with 300lbs chasing you?.. and not have arguably the best #2 in the league waiting on your sidelines?[/quote]

I don’t know if Brady is healthy or not, but you can’t justify paying Cassel Franchise Tag pay. If all goes well, he’s on the bench all year and I honestly don’t know if he would be worth paying that even if he was the starter.

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[quote]Eielson wrote:
dakotah_13 wrote:
i dont think that they think he’s a stud, but is Brady really healthy? i mean 100%? not just good enought to walk down the isle, but to run scramble out of a pocket with 300lbs chasing you?.. and not have arguably the best #2 in the league waiting on your sidelines?

I don’t know if Brady is healthy or not, but you can’t justify paying Cassel Franchise Tag pay. If all goes well, he’s on the bench all year and I honestly don’t know if he would be worth paying that even if he was the starter.[/quote]

No, i agree, but it wouldnt make me very comfortable seing Tom sit in a shrinking pocket while Moss gets deep, knowing Matt Gutierrez is coming in if he gets hurt, again…

weird, if gutierrez was backing brady up, the #1 and #2 QBs for the team furthest east would both be from the bay area…

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[quote]DirtyM wrote:

Anyway, if the Chefs [/quote]

AHAHAHAHA reminds me of that awesome (I think snickers) commercial when the grounds keeper spell Chefs instead of Chiefs in the end zones.