Masteron & Test P in Same Syringe

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[quote]DieSucka wrote:
Guys - I’m sorry to harp on this but back to my leg…

I know that it has only been 2 days but it is still hurting a lot - some of the swelling seems to have gone down but there is an area about the size of a fist that is slightly elevated on my thigh and it is very tender to touch. I am slightly limping when I walk and taking stairs is a b!tch. I am really nursing it…I would say at best that the pain has not improved at all over the past couple of days although my whole thight is not swollen anymore so that is an improvement.

I am resisting consulting my doctor because it goes on my health record and has certain implications…

Question is - at what point should I go see a doctor? I don’t want to go into septic shock or some sh!t. Also, at what point should I consider draining it (that thought really creeps me out).

EDIT
On a scale of 0 to 10 the pain is a 0 at rest but if I try to use it, I would say the pain is about a 5 or 6.
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Did you read the injection pain thread? Do you have pitting edema or one of the other bad symptoms ?

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You’re right - I should go read it again.

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Did you read the injection pain thread? Do you have pitting edema or one of the other bad symptoms ? [/quote]

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[quote]DieSucka wrote:
You’re right - I should go read it again.

BONEZ217 wrote:
Did you read the injection pain thread? Do you have pitting edema or one of the other bad symptoms ?

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Bonez217 - you are looking awesome. I see some physique changes in you that are quite impressive. Keep up the good work!

OP - I’d bet that day three/four is the worst of the pain, the crest so to speak, as the swelling and tenderness will begin to leave your leg. You have no fever as you said…your leg is just a bit unhappy right now. It’ll recover, by the sound of it. Ditto to rereading of course, but I don’t think you are experiencing anything most of the regulars have from time to time. Bad injections are part of the risk.

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[quote]5.0 wrote:
DieSucka wrote:
You’re right - I should go read it again.

BONEZ217 wrote:
Did you read the injection pain thread? Do you have pitting edema or one of the other bad symptoms ?

Bonez217 - you are looking awesome. I see some physique changes in you that are quite impressive. Keep up the good work!

[/quote]

Thanks. Good to see you back.

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[quote]DieSucka wrote:
Guys - I’m sorry to harp on this but back to my leg…

I know that it has only been 2 days but it is still hurting a lot - some of the swelling seems to have gone down but there is an area about the size of a fist that is slightly elevated on my thigh and it is very tender to touch. I am slightly limping when I walk and taking stairs is a b!tch. I am really nursing it…I would say at best that the pain has not improved at all over the past couple of days although my whole thight is not swollen anymore so that is an improvement.

I am resisting consulting my doctor because it goes on my health record and has certain implications…

Question is - at what point should I go see a doctor? I don’t want to go into septic shock or some sh!t. Also, at what point should I consider draining it (that thought really creeps me out).

EDIT
On a scale of 0 to 10 the pain is a 0 at rest but if I try to use it, I would say the pain is about a 5 or 6.
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The general advice i give on forums (with no detail or specificity) is to wait 1 week. If by 1 week it is not getting better, then youi need to get it seen to for sure.

If it is simply inflammation it will be improving at the 1 week mark (or earlier).

If it is an abscess, 1 week will not cause issue in its healing (and in most cases antibiotics will solve it after that time)

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Update - today is the fourth day after I injected into my quad and it has improved a lot. I can ALMOST walk without any sign of a limp anymore. The injection site is a little sore still if I push on it - almost like it’s bruised. My knee is still affected - weird, almost like the inflammation in my quad spread to my knee as well. Or, I suppose it’s possible that since I haven’t been using my quad to walk properly, my knee has been taking the brunt of the force - like a peg leg.

Anyway, I think it’s improving so I’m not as worried about serious complications there anymore. Thanks for calming me down when it first happened everybody.

I’m just going to mention that I have gone back to injecting into my glutes again (I am leery about going into my shoulder) and it seems like they are quite swollen. I thought that I had a low grade fever tonight but I rechecked my temperature about 10 minutes later and it was normal. I just have this flu-ish feeling that makes me wonder if I just keep injecting contaminated oil day after day. So I have ordered some filters and sterile vials with the intention of filtering my prop and masteron through a 0.2um filter to see if that helps and then take the further steps if necessary (diluting with oil).

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[quote]DieSucka wrote:
Update - today is the fourth day after I injected into my quad and it has improved a lot. I can ALMOST walk without any sign of a limp anymore. The injection site is a little sore still if I push on it - almost like it’s bruised. My knee is still affected - weird, almost like the inflammation in my quad spread to my knee as well. Or, I suppose it’s possible that since I haven’t been using my quad to walk properly, my knee has been taking the brunt of the force - like a peg leg.

Anyway, I think it’s improving so I’m not as worried about serious complications there anymore. Thanks for calming me down when it first happened everybody.

I’m just going to mention that I have gone back to injecting into my glutes again (I am leery about going into my shoulder) and it seems like they are quite swollen. I thought that I had a low grade fever tonight but I rechecked my temperature about 10 minutes later and it was normal. I just have this flu-ish feeling that makes me wonder if I just keep injecting contaminated oil day after day. So I have ordered some filters and sterile vials with the intention of filtering my prop and masteron through a 0.2um filter to see if that helps and then take the further steps if necessary (diluting with oil).

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Sounds to me, based upon what I’ve experienced, that your gear is slightly contaminated. I’ll bet filtering it into some new sterile vials will do the trick.

However, you only mention glutes. If you are injecting EOD you should have at least a 4 site rotation. 2 is not enough.

EDIT: Just reread your second post on this thread. You are not injecting ED into only 2 or 4 sites…are you?

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If you are shooting a product that gives that much issue with EVERY injection - just what the hell are you doing continuing to use it?

That is really asking for serious trouble IMO.

“Yeah… i was sick for 3 days after eating half a chicken breast i had in the fridge - but i am going to eat the other half tomorrow…”

As per the knee thing - the other time i heard of this was when the user was injecting into the ITB and the bolus was moving down the leg through the inter-muscular space and collecting around the knee joint… It is solved by injecting into a muscle instead of through a tendon… :wink:

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So far I have injected into my glutes only - moving the injection site around within the area where there will be no change of hitting my sciatic nerve.

I know that the glutes are not enough (especially if I am injecting every day) BUT every time I inject, the day after it is sore. This kind of soreness on my ass is bearable but if I had this kind of soreness on my shoulder, I think I would be fucked.

I know that I need to inject into more than just the glutes - this was a concern of mine as soon as I did my first 2 shots, which is why I went to my quad. I guess I should just go for it and go into the shoulder but it seems like a huge volume.

I’m starting to kick myself - maybe I should have gone with an ester that I could have injected less frequently…

[quote]Cortes wrote:
DieSucka wrote:
Update - today is the fourth day after I injected into my quad and it has improved a lot. I can ALMOST walk without any sign of a limp anymore. The injection site is a little sore still if I push on it - almost like it’s bruised. My knee is still affected - weird, almost like the inflammation in my quad spread to my knee as well. Or, I suppose it’s possible that since I haven’t been using my quad to walk properly, my knee has been taking the brunt of the force - like a peg leg.

Anyway, I think it’s improving so I’m not as worried about serious complications there anymore. Thanks for calming me down when it first happened everybody.

I’m just going to mention that I have gone back to injecting into my glutes again (I am leery about going into my shoulder) and it seems like they are quite swollen. I thought that I had a low grade fever tonight but I rechecked my temperature about 10 minutes later and it was normal. I just have this flu-ish feeling that makes me wonder if I just keep injecting contaminated oil day after day. So I have ordered some filters and sterile vials with the intention of filtering my prop and masteron through a 0.2um filter to see if that helps and then take the further steps if necessary (diluting with oil).

Sounds to me, based upon what I’ve experienced, that your gear is slightly contaminated. I’ll bet filtering it into some new sterile vials will do the trick.

However, you only mention glutes. If you are injecting EOD you should have at least a 4 site rotation. 2 is not enough.

EDIT: Just reread your second post on this thread. You are not injecting ED into only 2 or 4 sites…are you?[/quote]

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J-J: please read carefully. I am not saying that I have that much issue with EVERY injection. I am saying that my injection sites are sore later in the day and into the next day, that I had some kind of a bad reaction when I injected into my quad and I’m trying to figure out if there is something wrong with my gear (and taking steps to see if I can correct it) or if it is “normal”. It is not like eating bad chicken. The gear is painful and I think it is either because the BA is too high or there is some contamination. I don’t think it’s contamination because I do not have a fever but at this point I’m just guessing.

I do not want to abort this cycle because of some injection site pain. I would like to try to correct the problem if possible and continue if possible. I’m going to try to filter the gear into some sterile vials and I guess I’m going to try to go into my shoulder to increase the number of injection sites in the rotation but I’m really leery about doing that. If it does turn out to be contaminated, I would rather that they remove a chunk of my ass than take a chunk out of my shoulder…

[quote]J-J wrote:
If you are shooting a product that gives that much issue with EVERY injection - just what the hell are you doing continuing to use it?

That is really asking for serious trouble IMO.

“Yeah… i was sick for 3 days after eating half a chicken breast i had in the fridge - but i am going to eat the other half tomorrow…”

As per the knee thing - the other time i heard of this was when the user was injecting into the ITB and the bolus was moving down the leg through the inter-muscular space and collecting around the knee joint… It is solved by injecting into a muscle instead of through a tendon… ;)[/quote]

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Cortes - you seem to have the most constructive comments.

What would you do in my case? Take the risk of injecting it into the shoulder knowing that my glutes (which seem to be very resilient and most tolerant) have reacted in that way? Or stick to my glutes until I filter it (which should be in a few days when I get my stuff)?

I have to read back but I think we were also discussing volume at one point and that almost 2mL of gear into the shoulder is probably not a great idea. In which case I could split it up into 1 and 1 in each should but now that puts 2 of my injection sites out of commission at the same time.

Fuck it - this morning I am going to do 1mL of Masteron into one shoulder and 0.75mL of Prop into the other and hope for the best. If it is BA, then maybe by reducing the volume placed in one location will help.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
DieSucka wrote:
Update - today is the fourth day after I injected into my quad and it has improved a lot. I can ALMOST walk without any sign of a limp anymore. The injection site is a little sore still if I push on it - almost like it’s bruised. My knee is still affected - weird, almost like the inflammation in my quad spread to my knee as well. Or, I suppose it’s possible that since I haven’t been using my quad to walk properly, my knee has been taking the brunt of the force - like a peg leg.

Anyway, I think it’s improving so I’m not as worried about serious complications there anymore. Thanks for calming me down when it first happened everybody.

I’m just going to mention that I have gone back to injecting into my glutes again (I am leery about going into my shoulder) and it seems like they are quite swollen. I thought that I had a low grade fever tonight but I rechecked my temperature about 10 minutes later and it was normal. I just have this flu-ish feeling that makes me wonder if I just keep injecting contaminated oil day after day. So I have ordered some filters and sterile vials with the intention of filtering my prop and masteron through a 0.2um filter to see if that helps and then take the further steps if necessary (diluting with oil).

Sounds to me, based upon what I’ve experienced, that your gear is slightly contaminated. I’ll bet filtering it into some new sterile vials will do the trick.

However, you only mention glutes. If you are injecting EOD you should have at least a 4 site rotation. 2 is not enough.

EDIT: Just reread your second post on this thread. You are not injecting ED into only 2 or 4 sites…are you?[/quote]

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[quote]DieSucka wrote:
J-J: please read carefully. I am not saying that I have that much issue with EVERY injection.[/quote]
No - you just clearly said you think the gear is contaminated and even in the glutes you feel a little sick and they are swollen… [quote]

I am saying that my injection sites are sore later in the day and into the next day, that I had some kind of a bad reaction when I injected into my quad and I’m trying to figure out if there is something wrong with my gear (and taking steps to see if I can correct it) or if it is “normal”.[/quote]

Debilitating pain from an injection is never ‘normal’[quote]

It is not like eating bad chicken. The gear is painful and I think it is either because the BA is too high or there is some contamination. I don’t think it’s contamination because I do not have a fever but at this point I’m just guessing.[/quote]

Firstly contamination does not simply equal fever
Secondly yes, you ARE guessing.
Third - seeing as you simply do not know and the signs do point to a product that is contaminated with something (whether that is a BA content enough to make you feel flu-like symptoms) then continuing to inject it day after day without actually doing anything to it IS fucking stupid.[quote]

I do not want to abort this cycle because of some injection site pain. I would like to try to correct the problem if possible and continue if possible.[/quote]

And please remember that unlike yourself, i DO have experience in this area of AAS use (correcting dodgy gear and determining if it is dodgy in the first place), and i wouldn’t tell someone to abort simply for pain… and even though i suspect you need to treat your product, i told you to stop using it as is, not ‘abort’.
My choice would be to bin the fucking rubbish you are clearly injecting (whether it is un-sterile or high BA regardless) and get some real product going.[quote]

I’m going to try to filter the gear into some sterile vials and I guess I’m going to try to go into my shoulder to increase the number of injection sites in the rotation but I’m really leery about doing that. If it does turn out to be contaminated, I would rather that they remove a chunk of my ass than take a chunk out of my shoulder… [/quote]

Oh i see - so they amputate for an un-sterile injection do they?
I would have thought that procuring some antibiotics would have been an excellent safeguard, as well as either replacing the cycle or at least getting a single multi-use vial to use while to attempt to ‘fix’ the ‘gear’ you have.

But i guess your plan of continually injecting this gear you suspect is contaminated (otherwise you wouldnt be filtering it would you) untill you manage to get some filters and then if you do get an abscess waiting till it needs surgery is as good an idea as any though.

Now, Please read carefully:

[quote]J-J wrote:
If you are shooting a product that gives that much issue with EVERY injection - just what the hell are you doing continuing to use it?

That is really asking for serious trouble IMO.

“Yeah… i was sick for 3 days after eating half a chicken breast i had in the fridge - but i am going to eat the other half tomorrow…”

As per the knee thing - the other time i heard of this was when the user was injecting into the ITB and the bolus was moving down the leg through the inter-muscular space and collecting around the knee joint… It is solved by injecting into a muscle instead of through a tendon… :wink:

[/quote]

And then read (carefully) the post i was replying to…:

Now ask yourself - why the pissy reply?

Best of luck.

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1.75ml into the delt is not that bad, unless you have the delts of Steve Urkel, in which case you should not be using AAS anyway. I certainly do not think it would be enough to cause a sterile abscess (now if your gear is shitty, you may get a “real” abscess, but that can happen anywhere).

As a matter of fact, with painful gear, I have found delts to be the most forgiving of the top four sites (quad, delt, glute, VG). Pain is pain, but delts really seem to not end up being as bad as even VG, no matter how painful the gear. You’ll notice this most when you are trying to sleep. You’ll see what I mean if you try it.

Anyway, the comment Brook wrote was constructive. Just because you don’t want to do it does not make the advice any less good. Shitty gear is going to cause problems not worth the original intent of shooting it in the first place. What good is using AAS going to do you if you end up having to have surgery and putting yourself out of commission for 2 months. Extreme example, I know, but think about it. At the least, you should NOT feel the way you are feeling. I NEVER feel this way. Post injection pain, using prop, is almost non-existent, and when I do have it, it is usually some freak occurrence like a shallow injection or something of the sort.

Anyway, you just said you are shooting glutes over and over. No offense, but this just sounds like one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard. Jakebambeeno bad. Certainly a lot worse than using an injection site you are worried about. There’s only so much trauma a given muscle group is going to be able to take, and to do this with potentially contaminated gear is to add insult to injury. Or, perhaps, the other way around.

My advice is NOT to shoot delts, by the way. It is to get your gear situation fixed before you take another injection. If that means pulling the plug on this cycle, running a short PCT, and starting again later, then so be it. It’s your body, man, and you have to live with it.

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Your posts are a waste of time and therefore I am not going to address each of your points below.

If you had read carefully, you would have seen that my glute sites are painful (not debilitating) and that the one time I moved to my quad, I think I had a bad injection which caused excessive swelling and debilitation. IT STILL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE GEAR IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. This non-debilitating pain that I am describing may be “normal”. If you had read more carefully instead of trying to be the forum comic relief and performing for an audience, you would have realzied that I did not think the debilitating pain in my leg was normal or else I would not have posted about it.

Now THAT’S a pissy answer and the reason is that your posts are not constructive. The only thing you have mentioned that could be considered as constructive is to stop using it. Next time just post that single point and end it. We don’t need a novel of verbal diarrhea.

[quote]J-J wrote:
DieSucka wrote:
J-J: please read carefully. I am not saying that I have that much issue with EVERY injection.
No - you just clearly said you think the gear is contaminated and even in the glutes you feel a little sick and they are swollen…

I am saying that my injection sites are sore later in the day and into the next day, that I had some kind of a bad reaction when I injected into my quad and I’m trying to figure out if there is something wrong with my gear (and taking steps to see if I can correct it) or if it is “normal”.

Debilitating pain from an injection is never ‘normal’

It is not like eating bad chicken. The gear is painful and I think it is either because the BA is too high or there is some contamination. I don’t think it’s contamination because I do not have a fever but at this point I’m just guessing.

Firstly contamination does not simply equal fever
Secondly yes, you ARE guessing.
Third - seeing as you simply do not know and the signs do point to a product that is contaminated with something (whether that is a BA content enough to make you feel flu-like symptoms) then continuing to inject it day after day without actually doing anything to it IS fucking stupid.

I do not want to abort this cycle because of some injection site pain. I would like to try to correct the problem if possible and continue if possible.

And please remember that unlike yourself, i DO have experience in this area of AAS use (correcting dodgy gear and determining if it is dodgy in the first place), and i wouldn’t tell someone to abort simply for pain… and even though i suspect you need to treat your product, i told you to stop using it as is, not ‘abort’.
My choice would be to bin the fucking rubbish you are clearly injecting (whether it is un-sterile or high BA regardless) and get some real product going.

I’m going to try to filter the gear into some sterile vials and I guess I’m going to try to go into my shoulder to increase the number of injection sites in the rotation but I’m really leery about doing that. If it does turn out to be contaminated, I would rather that they remove a chunk of my ass than take a chunk out of my shoulder…

Oh i see - so they amputate for an un-sterile injection do they?
I would have thought that procuring some antibiotics would have been an excellent safeguard, as well as either replacing the cycle or at least getting a single multi-use vial to use while to attempt to ‘fix’ the ‘gear’ you have.

But i guess your plan of continually injecting this gear you suspect is contaminated (otherwise you wouldnt be filtering it would you) untill you manage to get some filters and then if you do get an abscess waiting till it needs surgery is as good an idea as any though.

Now, Please read carefully:

J-J wrote:
If you are shooting a product that gives that much issue with EVERY injection - just what the hell are you doing continuing to use it?

That is really asking for serious trouble IMO.

“Yeah… i was sick for 3 days after eating half a chicken breast i had in the fridge - but i am going to eat the other half tomorrow…”

As per the knee thing - the other time i heard of this was when the user was injecting into the ITB and the bolus was moving down the leg through the inter-muscular space and collecting around the knee joint… It is solved by injecting into a muscle instead of through a tendon… :wink:

And then read (carefully) the post i was replying to…:

“I’m just going to mention that I have gone back to injecting into my glutes again (I am leery about going into my shoulder) and it seems like they are quite swollen. I thought that I had a low grade fever tonight but I rechecked my temperature about 10 minutes later and it was normal. I just have this flu-ish feeling that makes me wonder if I just keep injecting contaminated oil day after day.”

Now ask yourself - why the pissy reply?

Best of luck.[/quote]

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[quote]DieSucka wrote:

it seems like they are quite swollen. I thought that I had a low grade fever tonight but I rechecked my temperature about 10 minutes later and it was normal. I just have this flu-ish feeling that makes me wonder if I just keep injecting contaminated oil day after day.[/quote]

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Please disregard this last message. First, I didn’t realize it was you Brook. Secondly, I’m pissed not at anybody here but at my supplier and I’m taking it out on you.

He won’t take any gear back and it will take some time to order and ship from my more reliable source.

So I have to make a decision - keep shooting suspected shitty gear (though in all fairness, I am still not quite convinced since everything I have injected has always been painful for me - I think I am super-sensitive to the alcohol) or stop, PCT and wait for my reliable source to ship me some and filter.

I think that you have given me all the information I need to make an informed decision.

Thanks.

[quote]DieSucka wrote:
Your posts are a waste of time and therefore I am not going to address each of your points below.

If you had read carefully, you would have seen that my glute sites are painful (not debilitating) and that the one time I moved to my quad, I think I had a bad injection which caused excessive swelling and debilitation. IT STILL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE GEAR IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. This non-debilitating pain that I am describing may be “normal”. If you had read more carefully instead of trying to be the forum comic relief and performing for an audience, you would have realzied that I did not think the debilitating pain in my leg was normal or else I would not have posted about it.

Now THAT’S a pissy answer and the reason is that your posts are not constructive. The only thing you have mentioned that could be considered as constructive is to stop using it. Next time just post that single point and end it. We don’t need a novel of verbal diarrhea.

[/quote]

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Look - There are not many suppliers on the planet that will take back a product like that - no matter the reason. Replace it maybe (maybe) but take it back? Nope.

If you are intent on trying to fix it i would suggest (still) that you buy another vial (from somewhere else obviously) to see you through a few days or whatever until the other stuff is ready.

As you are new to injecting steroids you WILL have a degree of soreness from IM depot injections (trust me i understand what you may well have experienced at the Quad site, and when it is bad it can be REAL bad) but the ‘newbie’ sort of soreness is more of an ache - at worse a sharper ache that lasts 36hrs at most.

Nothing worth talking about… similar to when a friend punched you full pelt on the arm or stuck a knee in your thigh as a kid. That is when we say ‘Man Up’.

However just as with training, there are two types of pain to recognise - good pain and bad pain.

If the site is swollen and sore to the touch, then you may have an infection or the beginnings of an abscess - in most cases the body will fix it and recover within a week… but if every injection is causing this it is NOT normal.

A good measure of the source of the pain is how long it lasts for… longer than 1-2 days and you are likely fighting a silent war inside your leg/arm/arse…

Now - honestly, carefully read my posts and i give the gist of ALL that already.

It is funny that as soon as a post count drops to single digits again, one loses all respect (what little i may have had ;D) - even though i actually know more this week than last…

Anyway…

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Understood - and you’re absolutely right that I made an assumption based on the number of posts hehe.

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[quote]J-J wrote:

It is funny that as soon as a post count drops to single digits again, one loses all respect (what little i may have had ;D) - even though i actually know more this week than last…

Anyway…[/quote]

Heh. I noticed that, too.

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Okay guys - another update. Shortly after the last post here I did an experiment that narrowed down my problem. I moved to my delts (because everything else was so sore and my delts were somewhat virgin) and separated the masteron and prop into 2 injections. I put the prop into my right delt and the masteron into my left delt.

It turns out that the prop is the bad chicken because my right delt swelled up to a size that I would like it to look normally - and there was also a lot of pain (as there was in my leg). I treated it immediately with ibuprofen and ice and it took about 3 days to recover. Obviously I will not be touching that bottle again. I think I gave it a fair chance and poisoned my body sufficiently.

So - I ordered some prop from a more reliable source but that’s taking a week. I should have it on Monday. That means that I have continued my cycle with daily injections of the Masteron only. So to recap - 1st week of my cycle I was stacking masteron and prop (75mg/day each), 2nd week Masteron only at 75mg/day and next week I will continue with the stack.

Throughout this whole thing I have been taking 1mg/day of Arimidex. I thought about dropping the arimidex while I was off the prop but I didn’t think it would hurt to continue on it with just the masteron for 1 week while I wait for the prop.

Does this seem acceptable or am I missing some critical point in proceeding this way? I wasn’t sure about the whole idea of dropping the prop for a week and then reintroducing it…I hope my cycle wasn’t botched too badly. Oh by the way, I have continued the (painful) injections of HCG 500IU 2x per week throughout as well.