Maryland Attacks Wal-Mart

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Wal-Mart employees make an average of just over $13,000. They have the largest amount of employees on welfare, WIC and other government programs than any other company.

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Wal-Mart is the largest employer of unskilled labor in the USA. Unskilled labor does not usually get paid well, which is not, by any stretch, unique to Wal-Mart. So, it really should not be suprising that the largest employer of unskilled labor will have the highest incidence of employees that have government support for low income citizens.

Also, if I am not mistaken, a whole lot of Wal-Mart employees are part time (< 40hrs a week). Does that $13000 stat count part timers?

Wal-mart stores should all be driven out of business!! The employees would then be free to roam the forest searching for nuts and berries, as people were intended to do!

It is just plain terrible that Wal-mart employs all those poor victims, keeping them from living in caves and feeding off of the fat of the land!!

“Mr. Reardon, did you think this is just a conspiracy to destroy your business? It’s much worse than that.”

--- Atlas Shrugged

Yes, it’s always good when state (and federal) governments get in the business of punishing corporations. That always helps improve the local economy and does wonders for job growth. It also helps increase the tax base by giving more people the opportunity to have jobs. Thus lowering taxes for everyone as that base grows.

…no wait I guess it doesn’t…

[quote]nephorm wrote:
Did you know that in other states, Giant Food is prohibited from using electronic cashiers? Why? Because of the unions. I’m no fan of the electronic cashiers, but the principle was supposed to be that they would be more efficient and thus save the company (and therefore the consumers) money. But gee, the mafia, I mean, the union, has decided that their interests trump all others. [/quote]

Another example of why unions are becoming obsolete.

[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
I’ll cut costs by not giving employees health insurance and have the taxpayers pick up the tab. And if I ever become mega-rich like the Waltons I’ll donate less than 1% of my wealth to charitable causes.
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I say, “Good luck to you, sir!” There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you are (tongue-in-cheek) proposing. Your prospective employees will have a choice: work for you, or don’t.

Remember everyone, there is no constitutionally guaranteed right to a good job with good benefits.

[quote]PSlave wrote:
nephorm wrote:
Did you know that in other states, Giant Food is prohibited from using electronic cashiers? Why? Because of the unions. I’m no fan of the electronic cashiers, but the principle was supposed to be that they would be more efficient and thus save the company (and therefore the consumers) money. But gee, the mafia, I mean, the union, has decided that their interests trump all others.

Another example of why unions are becoming obsolete.

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In my area, Meijer just put in a bunch of the electronic checkouts and I think their great. However I have a friend who comes from a very strong union democrat family and he absolutely refuses to use them. The reason? he states that they took jobs away from people. I say to him "sure they did, but is that why Meijers is in buiseness? to create jobs?. He’s never had an answer to that question other than “I just don’t like them”.

Wal-mart, Meijers, and every other buiseness is not in buiseness to provide jobs. They opened for buiseness to create a profit (cue all the liberals to start yowling at the word “profit”). Not just a meager profit, but as large a profit as they can muster. A business only hires an employee because of a need. When that need disapears, so does the job.

When I was working as a machine operator at my last job, the company president was trying to impress on all of us that if we do not put out a good product, that product will not sell. When product sales fall and dry up, so do the jobs. He literally told us in a meeting that “I only hired you because I need you.” He then went on to state that “If I could run this place tomorrow without any of you, you’d be gone”. A bit harsh, but so very true.

I’ve spent a LOT of time on Wal-Mart for work (stock analyst… researching, not peddling). Most of the material about its social role I have pushed out of mind after wayy too much time with it, but here’s a few points…

The average hourly wages of Wal-Mart workers is $9.68 - obviously opinions vary on whether that’s ok, but it’s easier to look at that than a 13,000 stat since we don’t know the hours etc. in that figure. One of the biggest “whisper” claims is that Wal-Mart pays below minimum wage all the time - I can’t believe how many people try to convince me of this. Whether or not they pay enough, that just isn’t true.

On the average, Wal-Mart saves every American family about $2400 a year (results from outside study) if you really look at the impact on prices of consumer goods they’ve had over time and continue to have. If you were to net out the costs “imposed” by the Wal-Mart employees who qualify for government aid, including medicaid, basically, Wal-Mart overall is of benefit to the American consumer.

Ethics aside, as far as the instances of legal improprieties (i.e. not counting overtime), these were truly isolated instances of individual managers making that decision. The reason I know this is that Wal-Mart among the most scrutinized companies in America right now, if not the most. There are literally hundreds of people who work full time trying to uncover good dirt. If there were anything systematic of that scale, believe me, it would be out. Basically there are only a few clear cases of breaking the law at the single store level, and for a company this size, it’s really pretty remarkable.

redfreddy & others - right on about scale in my opinion. the percentage of wal-mart workers who need federal aid is basically the same as the average in the retail category. Wal-mart is just the obvious target if you don’t like the averages.

Finally on the note about the CEO’s pay - there is essentially no large (tens of billions+) company without this issue. Doesn’t mean it’s reasonable, but it’s not a unique greed issue here.

On a less concrete note, some small businesses that are now gone were good things… romanticizing them as a whole is questionable, though.

If anyone has a serious thirst for knowledge I might be able to find and email a few PDF’s later about the research in economic terms (they may be findable through Google)

This is actually interesting, and no, I’m not bitching about it.

However, what happens when all the businesses decide they can use computers or mechanized systems instead of people?

Fundamental economic shifts can be painful… without regard to right and left, republican and democrat or good and bad.

[quote]vroom wrote:
However, what happens when all the businesses decide they can use computers or mechanized systems instead of people?
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People have been wringing their hands over this issue ever since factories put in the first automated assembly systems. In theory, yes, it could be a major cause of concern. But in practice, human beings and computers have very specific capabilities that are well-suited to each. Automation allows human beings to do things that human beings do well, such as monitoring automated systems and fixing problems as they arise, and it also allows machines to do what they do well, such as doing repetitive, precise tasks with little error. In general, automation saves companies money, which they can use to lower prices and pay their workers.

If we ever to get to the point where all low-wage jobs are automated, and robots take over, we might need legislative or social reform. But let’s cross that bridge when we come to it. Keep in mind, if advances in technology allow companies to eliminate all lower-level employees, the capability will be there to eventually eliminate middle and upper level employees.

Companies have to have someone to sell things to. Either the economy would have to change radically, or the corporations would go bankrupt. So there are limiting factors. Certainly, you could hypothesize that the rate of poverty could just skyrocket, leaving well-paid middle and upper level employees to buy from the corporations, but the incentives just aren’t there.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
In general, automation saves companies money, which they can use to lower prices and pay their workers.
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Can is the operative word here my friend.

[quote]BigPaul wrote:
nephorm wrote:
In general, automation saves companies money, which they can use to lower prices and pay their workers.

Can is the operative word here my friend.[/quote]

That’s the beauty of competition. If company A can lower prices but doesn’t, and company B produces a similar product and does lower prices, B is likely to steal market share from A until A either provides added value to justify the price or lowers the price.

Yeah, I’m with you on all of this stuff. I just feel that this is where it gets interesting.

When a fundamental shift occurs, it generally catches people by surprise, in a way, in that it isn’t noticed as a fundamental shift until a lot of people have already been affected.

The capabilities of computers and robotics are increasing all the time… so it’s really hard to say where we will end up, or when we might get there.

Some paradigm shifts are in fact disruptive… causing rapid change and the hardships that are incurred during those periods. I do understand the economics and so forth, but sometimes it might be in our own interests to slow change down a little bit, to reduce the transitional impact on the populace – to keep more of the population earning, spending and paying taxes.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
That’s the beauty of competition. If company A can lower prices but doesn’t, and company B produces a similar product and does lower prices, B is likely to steal market share from A until A either provides added value to justify the price or lowers the price.[/quote]

This is very true, there is also the whole element of the incentive structure that is in place. Execs are going to personally make a lot more money in the form of bonuses and personal holdings in the company if sales and/or profit margins go up.

It is surely not very likely that the money would be used to increase wages. Wages only need to exceed market-clearance levels when the required labor is drawn from a very skilled and mobile pool, which is surely not true of the labor market in question here.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Wal-mart, Meijers, and every other buiseness is not in buiseness to provide jobs. They opened for buiseness to create a profit (cue all the liberals to start yowling at the word “profit”). Not just a meager profit, but as large a profit as they can muster. A business only hires an employee because of a need. When that need disapears, so does the job.

This is actually interesting, and no, I’m not bitching about it.

However, what happens when all the businesses decide they can use computers or mechanized systems instead of people?

Fundamental economic shifts can be painful… without regard to right and left, republican and democrat or good and bad.[/quote]

In all honesty, I don’t know.

But you can bet your canadian ass that if GM could manufacture it’s vehicles tomorrow without it’s workers on the production line, the state of Michigan would be alot worse off than it is right now. And right now our economy is the worst in the union.

[quote]vroom wrote:
I do understand the economics and so forth, but sometimes it might be in our own interests to slow change down a little bit, to reduce the transitional impact on the populace
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I always wrestle with this one, should we slow the change down, or attempt to increase the learning curve?

I come down on the side that working to increase the learning curve would work best for the simple reason that slowing change could potentially have a very large impact by virtue of the fact that technology increases exponentially rather than linearly. That and some level of adaptive tension is maintained.

Thought this was a rather timely article. Notice the reference to Walmart:

http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/24/magazines/fortune/pluggedin_fortune_biometrics/index.htm?cnn=yes

Let your fingers do the paying
Wal-Mart, Costco weigh merits of allowing customers to pay by scanning fingerprints: report

NEW YORK (FORTUNE) - Buying groceries with the touch of a finger could be closer than you think, if new research touting the benefits of biometric payment for retail giants like Wal-Mart, Target, and Costco is anything to go by.

The report, by Sanford Bernstein analyst Emme Kozloff, found that the use of so-called “electronic wallets” reduces the potential for fraud and identity theft, speeds up the checkout process, and most importantly, lowers transaction processing fees for retailers, improving their bottom line. A 20% reduction in processing costs at big-box discounters like Wal-Mart over the next several years could result in a 3% to 4% increase in earnings per share by 2009, the report estimated. “We believe both Wal-Mart (Research) and Costco (Research) are looking at it closely,” Kozloff wrote. (Both companies declined to comment.)

Already in use at supermarket chains like Albertsons (Research) (which yesterday agreed to be sold to a group that includes CVS and Supervalu), Cub Foods (part of Supervalu), and privately held Piggly Wiggly, biometric systems are just one of several emerging payment technologies that retailers are currently experimenting with. Others include self-checkout (widely deployed at Home Depot), contactless cards like J.P Morgan Chase’s “blink,” and so-called “near field communication,” which involves waving your cell phone, say, near a reader.

Here’s how biometric payment works: To set up an account, customers scan their fingerprint at an in-store kiosk, enter their phone number, and then submit checking and credit card account information. To make a purchase, they place their finger on a scanner at the register, enter their phone number, and choose how they want to pay (credit, debit, or checking.)

The mere mention of bio-anything raises the hackles of privacy advocates, and this process is no exception. Vendors like San Francisco-based Pay By Touch, however, which recently acquired BioPay, its main rival in this space, insist that the fingerprint image itself is not stored. Instead, tiny measurements from the print are encrypted and stored, making it impossible to recreate a full fingerprint.

The benefits to customers are twofold. First, it offers a speedier checkout?70% faster than traditional forms of payment (unless the reader can’t identify your finger, so keep those hands clean.) Second, it enhances security. Of the nearly 10 million cases of identity theft annually, according to a 2003 Federal Trade Commission survey, 13% occurred during a purchase transaction. “Biometric payment systems make conducting transactions safer for consumers,” writes Kozloff.

But it’s the benefit to retailers that could really drive adoption. Transaction fees paid by retailers for credit and debit card payments have soared of late, and can account for about 20% of pretax profits for a low margin retailer like Costco, Kozloff estimates. Retailers hate these fees (also called “intercharge fees”) and have filed numerous lawsuits against Visa and MasterCard, some of which have attained class action status.

Paying by fingerprint is one way to lower these costs. With a biometric system, retailers can “steer” customers towards using their checking account, which incurs much lower transaction costs than credit and debit cards do. AMR Research’s Scott Langdoc estimates that switching from credit cards to checking accounts could shave the net cost of a transaction by anywhere from 40 cents to 70 cents. “That’s big money,” he says.

Within three months of a pilot program at four Piggly Wiggly grocery stores, 15% of its customers who normally did not pay by cash enrolled in the Pay By Touch system. Those users increased their store visits by 15%, which translates into an additional 7,350 transactions a year. Not only did they come more often, those shoppers also spent 12% more on groceries.

“Grocery stores operate on such low margins that this makes sense for them,” says Don Delzell, a partner at consultancy Retail Advantage.

But biometric is not without its concerns, chief among them privacy. The privacy issue “remains a deep bone of contention and will mitigate against pervasive usage,” says David Robertson, publisher of The Nilson Report, an industry newsletter. One industry source calls biometric readers “clunky.” And if enrollment is confusing or time-consuming, few shoppers will even bother.

“It’s a leap of faith when retailers install the system,” says industry consultant Ron Margulis. “But once shoppers are used to it, it can really take off.” And it might even take retailers’ sluggish stock prices along for the ride.

Apparently prospective employees don’t think Wal-Mart is so horrible…

http://www.theneweditor.com/index.php?/archives/1991-Thousands-Apply-for-Jobs-at-New-Wal-Mart.html

A year and a half after some Chicago alderman stopped Wal-Mart from opening a store on the city’s South Side, 25,000 people applied for 325 job openings in the company’s new store, located just one block west of the city’s boundary in south suburban Evergreen Park, the Chicago Sun-Times reported ( http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-walmart26.html ).

Apparently, all but 500 of the job applicants for the new store live in Chicago.

[quote]redfreddy wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Wal-Mart employees make an average of just over $13,000. They have the largest amount of employees on welfare, WIC and other government programs than any other company.

Wal-Mart is the largest employer of unskilled labor in the USA. Unskilled labor does not usually get paid well, which is not, by any stretch, unique to Wal-Mart. So, it really should not be suprising that the largest employer of unskilled labor will have the highest incidence of employees that have government support for low income citizens.

Also, if I am not mistaken, a whole lot of Wal-Mart employees are part time (< 40hrs a week). Does that $13000 stat count part timers?
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The part-time is a strategy that Wal-Mart uses in order to avoid paying overtime.

Wal-Mart makes gargantuan profits but instead of paying for health care they let the state do it. This is also by design. More profits for Wal-Mart, and a low,low standard of living for the workers.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
rainjack:

Small business gets nowhere near the tax breaks like the behemoth Wal-Mart.

Maybe I’ll take you up on your suggestion and start my own business. I’ll model it after Wal-Mart. I’ll illegally go into the computer system and erase the OT(beacuse I’m too cheap and greedy to pay). I’ll cut costs by not giving employees health insurance and have the taxpayers pick up the tab. And if I ever become mega-rich like the Waltons I’ll donate less than 1% of my wealth to charitable causes.

Man this sounds so ethical and moral I just can’t wait to get started.

Thanks a million(hopefully billion)!

I’ve given you precise examples of small business tax breaks. And all you counter with is your opinion? Get real shithead - use real proof or go spew your bullshit somewhere else.

That’s the problem with feel good liberals - when pressed to actually prove their position - they are left stammering like a 10 year-old boy that has just seen his first real boob. [/quote]

Awww, look you can use big swear words. Is that part of your T-attitude?

Wal-Mart recieved 1.0008 billion in tax breaks. Do they need it?

You’ve addressed one issue I raised about Wal-Mart in my last post. How come you don’t address the others? I mean you always come off like you know it all. Is it because when issues of morality and ethics come about, zealous right-wingers like yourself need to run and hide like roaches when the light is turned on. Can’t wait to hear your appologetics!

[quote]PSlave wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
I’ll cut costs by not giving employees health insurance and have the taxpayers pick up the tab. And if I ever become mega-rich like the Waltons I’ll donate less than 1% of my wealth to charitable causes.

I say, “Good luck to you, sir!” There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you are (tongue-in-cheek) proposing. Your prospective employees will have a choice: work for you, or don’t.

Remember everyone, there is no constitutionally guaranteed right to a good job with good benefits.

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I’m talking about morals and ethics, something that seems to be lost on you.

Remember everyone, the love of money is the root of all evil.