Martial Arts Banned in Canada?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
JD, perhaps you could enlighten me as to which things the country is now controlling?

I’m seriously curious![/quote]

How about our new national day care program? Those who were behind the push for this program did not envision a public private partnership, they want exclusively state run day care. These groups got their funding; care to guess how the rest will unfold?

What about the freakin CBC? How would you react Vroom if there were round-the-clock news programming being put out by a broadcaster 100% funded by the US government?

How about the fact that 30% of all music played on Canadian radio stations has to be of Canadian origin?

What about the fact that parents in Quebec do not have the right to send their children to an English school unless they themselves were educated in English?

And you are wrong about the gun registry. It is both a waste of money and our government’s attempt to build an even bigger database about its law-abiding citizens. The more information you have about people the easier it is to control them.

Taking away choice and personal responsibility is what a nanny state does. Right now I have virtually no choice when it comes to my medical care, so yes, socialized health care is admissible in this debate as well.

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JPBear, good points.

Canada is a great country, but some of these socialist things are clearly taking it down a wrong path.

Politics can be like a pendulum. Canada is going through a swing to the left. It is a stark contrast to America which is swinging to the right.

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I realise that you were addressing yourself to Vroom, but as a fellow Canadian I just had to chime in here.

[quote]JPBear wrote:

What about the freakin CBC? How would you react Vroom if there were round-the-clock news programming being put out by a broadcaster 100% funded by the US government?[/quote]

You mean Fox News?

That’s not really nanny state behaviour – it’s more protectionist than anything. Admittedly, there are similarities.

The French/English conundrum in Canada is far, far, far, far more complex than just language laws, no matter how biased they may be.

I can see the logic behind this one, but that’s more symptomatic of a police state (which Canada is slowly becoming since the World Trade Center attacks) than a nanny-state. Not that that’s any better, really.

That’s what all states do.

This is a public service – an imperfect one, perhaps, as the massive appendectomy scar across my stomach will attest. You’re free to seek treatment elsewhere, though.

-Glee

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JP,

I’m not too concerned about daycare, and it would take a lot to discuss. I’m not concerned about the CBC, because it’s no secret it’s a government site.

I’ll agree with the gun registry, though I don’t think our government seems as power hungry as the US government does these days. I don’t like the government knowing everything about everyone.

The english school thing is funky, do you mean that they don’t get to do so for free. Is this a Canada policy or a Quebec policy to preserve french?

I don’t have a problem with Canadian radio trying to promote Canadian music, we don’t have to listen to Canadian radio if we don’t want to. Hell, I kinda like having some decent Canadian talent… it’s just another form of subsidy or tax.

The only control things are daycare and guns, the rest are just the usual complaining about things people don’t like. The daycare is too huge an issue to get into here really though.

No, I’m not really expecting you to agree… :wink:

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[quote]vroom wrote:

The english school thing is funky, do you mean that they don’t get to do so for free. [/quote]

Eduaction is not free, it is taxpayer funded.

Refer to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:

Eduaction is not free, it is taxpayer funded.
[/quote]
The government does control alot, although we’re more of a socialist state than America.

We also have an international reputation of taking care of our citizens. We had a dictator’s family for awhile on social benefits (the family claimed they were being abused). They unwisely went back to their home country and made a public appearance with the abuser on tv.

I find the general mentality among many Canadians is they expect the government to take care of them. I know people who storm into offices demanding money or cards for free Rx’s.

Government control isn’t always a bad thing. Take for example pharmaceuticals. Since the government buys most of the Rx’s, they set the price.

And no, Viagara isn’t covered by the government so don’t think of immigrating to Canada to get hooked up. (It’s classed as a recreational drug)

Anyway, I should prolly get to sleep now so I can wake up and see all my grammatical errors I made.

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Vroom,

JP did a nice job of hitting some of my other points that I didnt feel I would need to bother with after the gun registry. Of course I forgot I was dealing with a liberal genius like you who just throws away reality like yesterday’s newspaper.

Two points about the gun registry…so far it has cost something like 100 times the initial projected cost. If that is not a prime example of a bloated government monster I dont know what is.
Second, it absolutely proves my point about the nanny state…the gun registry does nothing but spy on its citizenry. Now, if you just had a “flag waving American cowboy gun nut” like me saying that, you could ignore me. But its not just me. Many of your own prosecutors have simply chosen to ignore that communist stupidity. The fact that you
out-of-hand “agree with it” shows your inability to even recognize rampant socialism when it is kicking you in the ass.

Of course I could also say that something like 55% of all the money the people of Canada earn goes to the government. Or we could move off into a discussion about the broken and insane concept of socialized medicine.

But why bother? You’ll just give another “Bzzzt. wrong. nice try.” smart ass remark because we’re saying things that you don’t want to hear.

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What’s the big deal? Canucks can’t fight anyways!

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To JPBear and Vroom,

Since this is rapidly turning into a debate between you two, just thought I’d bring it back to the topic at hand. how do each of you feel aboout the government banning MMA and full-contact fighting in Canada (such as UFC and the like)?

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[quote]Danimal13 wrote:
What’s the big deal? Canucks can’t fight anyways![/quote]

Are you kidding? I’m always having to beat up drunk lumberjacks! (anyone who watched ultimate fighter should catch this reference)

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[quote]Danimal13 wrote:
What’s the big deal? Canucks can’t fight anyways![/quote]

Really??? Hmmmm. If I review my history (world history, not American revisionist history) I see that, perhaps, the USA could learn a thing or two from Canadians when it comes to fighting (I say “USA” and not “America” because America is bigger than just the USA).

Beginning back in the early 19th century (that’s the early 1800’s) and the war of 1812. And, of course, WW1 and the battle of Vimy Ridge, which neither the British nor the USA could take, but which the Canadians did take.

Then to WW2. Canada declared war on Germany long (2 years at least) before the USA got involved. Our contribution: liberating Northern France, specifically, the seaports and supply lines; liberating Holland and the Northern Rhine, among other things.

Bottom line: Canada is a country with a fraction of the population of the United States. Yet, the in the two major wars of the 20th Century, we stood side by side and held our own, contributing to the overall victory of both wars.

Into the 21st century, and Canada was one of the first countries to stand alongside the USA in it’s fight against terror by sending our troops to Afghanistan. Our elite special forces team were given medals of commendation by the US government. We are continuing to send forces to Afghanistan even today. Iraq is a different story, though there are Canadians there fighting who were seconded to do so. Admittedly, the Canadian gov’t did not officially get involved. While I personally disagreed with that, and I am in the minority, history may prove that Iraq is becoming more trouble than it is worth. Don’t get me wrong, Saddam and his group needed to go and I am glad they are gone. A good exit strategy is what is needed now, and I know that may be easier said than done.

As for all the other stuff that has been said about Canada’s social policy, Canada has some serious socialist leanings. Some of the item’s mentioned (day care and gun registry) are best discarded than implemented. Health care, when it is not a political football, isn’t as bad as many think. I pay premiums for my health care, not unlike an insurance policy. The premiums don’t cover everything, so the government subsidizes and “tops up” those premiums. Some people pay more than what they use and others get more than what they pay for.

I think it is a tragedy that around 50% of all bankruptcies in the USA are a result of medical bills that cannot be paid. When you think of it that way, at least our health care professionals get paid. If I have to spend a few dollars per paycheck more to get that kind of security, I don’t mind.

When I have to pay a few dollars more for some of the other bogus moves the government makes, I get ticked.

So who is right? The answer is: Yes

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The Nanny state issues are not what really bug me about Canada. Here are a few things that do:

The disgraced state of our armed forces.

The fact that Canadians would rather every person use second rate health care then have any inequality in the system.

The fact that Canadians look at every problem in terms of “how can the government fix this?”

The fact that Canadians prefer crown corporations over private enterprise.

The way we handle our First Nations populations (throw billions of dollars at them, while taking full blame for their every action)

Our little man syndrome when it comes to Americans.

The fact that Canadians think that Americans try to pretend they are Canadians when they travel abroad.

The fact that people write letters every week to my local newspaper to explain how much they hate Americans.

The fact that child pornography is considered legitimate artistic expression by our courts.

The fact that I pay for other people’s abortions.

The fact that I work for the government until July of each year.

The disgustingly soft sentences we give to our criminals. The fact that I have to applaud a 7 year sentence for murder or an 18 month sentence for child molestation because that’s as good as it gets.

The fact that some Canadians equate tuition increases with tax increases (refer to a previous post).

Our national anthem. It sounds like a five year old wrote it.

The fact that we have no checks and balances in government.

Our appointed Senate that passes every bill.

The fact that we do not get to vote for our national leader.

The fact that most Canadians have already forgotten about the sponsorship scandal.

The fact that Canada is the way it is because the vast majority of Canadians want it this way. We can’t blame tricky politicians or some swing to the left that will eventually swing back.

And yes samsmarts, before you get on here and start acting like an annoying little bug, I do plan on leaving.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
The Nanny state issues are not what really bug me about Canada. Here are a few things that do:

The disgraced state of our armed forces.

The fact that Canadians would rather every person use second rate health care then have any inequality in the system.

The fact that Canadians look at every problem in terms of “how can the government fix this?”

The fact that Canadians prefer crown corporations over private enterprise.

The way we handle our First Nations populations (throw billions of dollars at them, while taking full blame for their every action)

Our little man syndrome when it comes to Americans.

The fact that Canadians think that Americans try to pretend they are Canadians when they travel abroad.

The fact that people write letters every week to my local newspaper to explain how much they hate Americans.

The fact that child pornography is considered legitimate artistic expression by our courts.

The fact that I pay for other people’s abortions.

The fact that I work for the government until July of each year.

The disgustingly soft sentences we give to our criminals. The fact that I have to applaud a 7 year sentence for murder or an 18 month sentence for child molestation because that’s as good as it gets.

The fact that some Canadians equate tuition increases with tax increases (refer to a previous post).

Our national anthem. It sounds like a five year old wrote it.

The fact that we have no checks and balances in government.

Our appointed Senate that passes every bill.

The fact that we do not get to vote for our national leader.

The fact that most Canadians have already forgotten about the sponsorship scandal.

The fact that Canada is the way it is because the vast majority of Canadians want it this way. We can’t blame tricky politicians or some swing to the left that will eventually swing back.

And yes samsmarts, before you get on here and start acting like an annoying little bug, I do plan on leaving.[/quote]

Well stated!

The Canadian people (like those all around the world) get exactly what they deserve!

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[quote]SKman wrote:
To JPBear and Vroom,

Since this is rapidly turning into a debate between you two, just thought I’d bring it back to the topic at hand. how do each of you feel aboout the government banning MMA and full-contact fighting in Canada (such as UFC and the like)?[/quote]

Personally, I’m quite angry about this. The people making decisions barely even know what UFC is, and yet they are making decisions that will very likely anger fight fans, practitioners, parents, promoters, managers, etc.

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JPbear, You gonna leave BC and give up that sweet home grown bud?