I agree with ya, RRJC.
Some people want to be a hero so badly, they choreograph every step to “glory”.
They have an article about this guy in the March issue of Outdoor magazine. If I recall correctly, the first thing I said to my friend in the car upon seeing the picture was, “Are you fucking serious? A shark?”
[quote]Judas wrote:
i think humans can take there place in the food chain just fine.
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Clearly you’re a fucking retard.
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id feel happy knowing there is no sharks when i go spearing.[/quote]
Why?
I never understood this. Anytime I tell someone I’ve dived with sharks, they always say something like “Oh, I’d never get in the ocean with sharks!”
To which I reply “Every single time you’ve been in the ocean, millions of sharks have been in there with you, and you’ve been okay. That goes for everyone who’s ever been in the ocean, including family, friends, etc… Why start to worry now?”
Are we seriously going to have to wait until a species is almost extinct and fucked over an environment until it’s too late before we start protecting sharks?
People don’t realize that we, humans, as a species are completely dependent on the oceans well being.
Hey! Anyone up for wrestling a chimp? I have bananas!
[quote]AdamLaw wrote:
So, about those nakie pics…[/quote]
Killing sharks for no reason is gay, but more importantly who is that in your avatar?
Is this the first time the media has glorified a bullshit story?
Thought not…
I feel the need to defend my fellow spearo.
This article is a bastardization of an article from Outside magazine that has bin taken out of context and twisted too makes spear fisherman look careless, destructive and un-ethical.
First of all I would like to point out spear fishing is a miss understood sport, not only physically taxing and dangerous its also takes a high level of skill to attain the depths needed to fish for yellow fin.
Imagine that you were at a depth of 90ft holding your breath and trailing around a stringer of bleeding fish, a grey suit shows up. You now have two choices, head for the boat or ignore the shark. Ignoring the shark would be a bad idea so you start to head for the boat (at this point you havent breathed in about 2:00) but the shark begins to circle a member of the film crew. Now a shark is circling (feeding behavior) an untrained crew member. You panic and shoot.
Also wrestling the shark is a lie. The shark was shot with a spear attached to a float line. This means that when the shark was hit the line on the gun detached, leaving the shark trailing a float that was then atached to the boat. In my opinion this was the safest and most humane way to handle the situation.
Is it a fair fight? no
Is it as easy as H&L? No much harder.
I dont think the guy was looking to kill a shark. No real spero does.
since most of the thread is rantin against this monster, i should mention that most of you have no idea of the backstory. these guys are pro spearfishers. the cameraman was helpin do an article that appeared in outdoor magazine.
more importantly, id much rather shoot a shark than risk the shark gettin curous. better than that, id rather not kill the shark, but thats life. every animal is destructive to other specis. humans take that pretty extreme, but food is food. yes, they did eat the fish. the guy who killed the shark didn’t seem to happy when interviewed in the article.
so instead of rantin about a situation in which neither of us know exactly how shit went down, a situation which could have been life or death, maybe taking a stance against the inhumanity of the way we raise cows. ruining huge swaths of land, terrible for us, for the cows, for the land, probably for the atmosphere. the little things in life, thats just life
ps i dont care what kind of fins you got on, your dead tired after freediving i bet, plus sharks are faster than us, plus swimming creates water disturbances since were so unwieldy in the water. so go ahead and try swim away instead of shooting. and see if you make it.
If the dude got bit by the shark, oh fuckin well… Its a fuckin privledge to get bit. thats how I wanna die. All this alpha talk and you fools are scared of dieing and of sharks. Ive seen sharks swim under me while Ive been sitting on my board.
Not small sharks but 10ft tigers. These dudes were pussies and if you look at the pics the dude looks like he has the shark in a trance(on its back) to which the shark cannot do anything at all. I got more to say but Im gonna wait till I get back from my game. Hold tight bitches
[quote]NJ-Polska wrote:
First of all I would like to point out spear fishing is a miss understood sport, not only physically taxing and dangerous its also takes a high level of skill to attain the depths needed to fish for yellow fin.
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I’m not misunderstanding the sport. I have a full knowledge of the dangers of freediving/spearfishing, including shallow water blackout. Fuck, I’ve even coughed up blood after freediving to 20m.
No, you can head for the boat AND pay attention to the shark. Like you said, at this point you’re at a 2 minute breath hold, how much longer can one stay at depth before ascending without risking SWB? You’ve got to surface at some point, regardless of what the shark is doing.
“You panic and shoot.” Excellent choice, chief. Because panicking (and the physiological effects that go with it) isn’t a HUGE red-flag to the shark that there’s a scared, potentially easy meal in the immediate area.
Really, because letting an injured shark swim (and towards the end) ATTEMPT to swim, and as a result, ATTEMPT to breathe for two fucking hours is humane?
This is my point, and this news article is glorifying it.
If you honestly think there aren’t any guys out there who would be willing to kill a shark for bragging rights, you’re a naive fuck.
[quote]Kanada wrote:
more importantly, id much rather shoot a shark than risk the shark gettin curous.
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There was an injured fish in the water.
There was blood in the water.
There were humans breath hold diving.
The shark was “gettin curious” before any of them ever knew the shark was in the area.
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ps i dont care what kind of fins you got on, your dead tired after freediving i bet, plus sharks are faster than us, plus swimming creates water disturbances since were so unwieldy in the water. so go ahead and try swim away instead of shooting. and see if you make it.[/quote]
PS, have you ever been in a situation where your life has been in danger? GTFO using “too tired” as an excuse. With all that adrenaline in your body, you can find some fucking energy.
No shit sharks are faster than us, they’ve been evolving for millions of years (as in, survived 5 major extinctions) in the water.
I’ll even go one step further than you, being on the surface is the most dangerous place to be in regards to a shark attack. It doesn’t matter, because you still need to breathe.
Have you ever been in the water wearing any type of fin, let alone free diving fins? I think you’re underestimating how fast you can actually swim in them (especially with the adrenaline I mentioned earlier.)
And since you’re worrying about “water disturbances” from swimming back to the boat, what do you think they were doing IN THE WATER for two hours anyway? The shark can sense their movement.
FWIW, I think when people say “sharks were circling” it’s widely misunderstood that they may not actually be circling. Sharks can’t stop swimming, or else they die. They can’t stop and stand in one place like we (or other animals) can, so they make multiple passes to see what’s going on.
I’m not necessarily saying this was the case, as I’d hope there was someone there who knew about shark behavior if they were doing a story on spearfishing for a major magazine. I’m just saying that it seems like every time something like this pops up, the sharks “was circling” because your average person hasn’t the slightest clue about shark behavior.
The bottom line is that with all of the people who get into the ocean every year, and all of the sharks in the ocean, if they WANTED to eat us, we’d be hearing about sharks attacks/deaths DAILY. On top of that, if they wanted to eat us, we’d hardly have any chance of exiting the water, yet most shark attack fatalities occur from bloodloss on the beach.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
NJ-Polska wrote:
Is it a fair fight? no
This is my point, and this news article is glorifying it.
I dont think the guy was looking to kill a shark. No real spero does.
If you honestly think there aren’t any guys out there who would be willing to kill a shark for bragging rights, you’re a naive fuck.[/quote]
Ok, so you do understand the sport and are a diver. Cool
Calling any one a Naive fuck is not a good way to make friends. I dont know if my posts come through as hostile cause that is not my intention. Its just that usually spear fishing is talked about the same way the Masses talk about roid rage and lifting.I apologize for any perceived offense.
Saying its not a fair fight is not a very good argument. Hunting is never a fair fight. Every method of hunting from guns and bows to Spear (guns) and Hook and line is cheating.
Of course the guy panicked, the last thing spear fishing needs is the bad press from an avoidable shark attack.
Was it the best course of action, hell no
As much as sharks avoid humans most of the time you are right, Their was blood in the water this makes it a dangerous situation. Most of the time a spero encounters a shark its not a problem, the shark or spero leaves. It is possible that this time that was not possible. Shark attacks do happen and they do happen to Speros.
I also understand that sharks are often killed for bragging rights. I dont think this was the case. Try and find the original Outside article the Speros in question are professionals who expressed deep regret for killing this shark.
[quote]NJ-Polska wrote:
Calling any one a Naive fuck is not a good way to make friends. I dont know if my posts come through as hostile cause that is not my intention. Its just that usually spear fishing is talked about the same way the Masses talk about roid rage and lifting.I apologize for any perceived offense.
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To be honest, I’m not on this site ‘to make friends.’ That said, I’m not necessarily trying to make enemies, either.
I understand where you’re coming from, defending spearfishing because yes, it’s a generally misunderstood sport.
On that note, I’m defending sharks because they’re GROSSLY misunderstood by the public.
Whether it’s fair or not, the guy tortured an animal for over two hours. NO hunter, whether it be deer, elk, whatever, would be glorified for torturing an animal. It’s just that this particular animal being killed was a [sarcasm]mean, violent, bloodthirsty man eater[/sarcasm] so it’s okay to torture? Come on.
The state of panic is an instant reaction, not a rational thought out process. There’s no way ANYONE in the water thought to themselves “Man, the sport of spearfishing is a generally misunderstood sport, so I think it’d be best for me to shoot this shark and avoid… blah blah blah.”
I’d honestly believe this if this picture wasn’t taken.
Ok, i see your point.
Then again if i killed a shark out of self defense i would still take a picture.
Taken from the article:
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As the crew prepared to leave, a third man, filmmaker Ryan McInnis, became distracted filming a playful pair of squid at the surface, 150 feet from the boat. When he turned around, the 33-year-old McInnis saw a 12-foot tiger shark, drawn by a perfume of bloody chum.
The shark charged. Armed with only his video camera, McInnis knew he had to do something, so he pressed RECORD. The shark veered away just a foot from him and began to circle. McInnis yelled for the boat.[/quote]
Where’s the video then?
150 feet away isn’t so far away. These guys most definitely knew surface signals, and a “help” signal would have had that boat over to the videographer in less than 30 seconds.
Plus, the way that reporter explained shallow water blackout leads me to believe they don’t really know what they’re talking about.
All that said, these two guys have an extremely impressive record.
enough with your hippy psycho babble rrjc5488
go save some sharks or somthing bro
i like humans better than sharks if a shark or any creature trys to kill a human near me im gonna fucking kill it.
go hug a tree, or eat soy protein n sip on some wheat grass motherfucka
in australia this year (where i live) like 5-6 people been eatten by sharks i dont like that. i dont like being 2kms out in the ocean and 10-20 meters underwater holding my breath, while looking for a nice fish to shoot with my gun and seeing a shark, they are fucking dangerous. it bothers me, u can say what u like but unless you been in that situation, dont open ya mouth. cos you dont know about it. cos when you shoot the fish blood pisses out of it, so you got blood you got a shark u got me out of breath and its a stressful situation.
so if there were no sharks it would be a happy situation cos i would be eattin some nice fish n drinkin beer in the boat never worryin about a fuckin white pointer killing me or stealing my fish.
That guy has alot of balls. More then me that’s for sure. In a contest where the man is with no Air tank and completely out of his natural environment, this is as fair as a kill gets. He is a as true as a true hunter gets.
Im sure the back story is different then the spectacle made in the media. But then again, isnt it always.
I think the OP had too much of an emotional reaction to this the missreacted.
Im all for sharks and strongly believe that their overhunting, mainly by the Japanese fishing fleets, is a crime against the planet. The Japanese with their odd delicacies like eating shark fin, lol. They cut off the fins of thousands of sharks and throw them back in the water. Sick fucks.
The Japanese did the same to dolphins and till this day massively hunt whales.
If all our problem with killing sharks were with men hunting them while free diving, we wouldn’t have a problem. Hence i don’t have problem with this diver.
That guy has alot of balls. More then me that’s for sure. In a contest where the man is with no Air tank and completely out of his natural environment, this is as fair as a kill gets. He is a as true as a true hunter gets.
Im sure the back story is different then the spectacle made in the media. But then again, isnt it always.
I think the OP had too much of an emotional reaction to this and missreacted.
Im all for sharks and strongly believe that their overhunting, mainly by the Japanese fishing fleets, is a crime against the planet. The Japanese with their odd delicacies like eating shark fin, lol. They cut off the fins of thousands of sharks and throw them back in the water. Sick fucks.
The Japanese did the same to dolphins and till this day massively hunt whales.
If all our problem with killing sharks were with men hunting them while free diving, we wouldn’t have a problem. Hence i don’t have problem with this diver.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
I’d honestly believe this if this picture wasn’t taken.[/quote]
Are you serious? Everyone gets pictures taken with their catch. No matter if it’s a land animal or a giant shark. How does a picture change the factual situation. You’re reacting emotionally and it’s honestly misplaced.