Man Kills Dog

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Anyone recall the story some years ago, where a dog escaped its confines, roamed the street and mauled a little girl? Her father hunted that dog down right to the owner’s house, then beat the dog to death with a shovel - right in front of the owner.

I would have done the same. [/quote]

I would not be able to think clearly enough to even consider grabbing a shovel. My heart rate nearly doubled just thinking about it.[/quote]

I wish I could find that story online. The dog had been pent up for some time. He escaped and went roaming for a victim. The girl was just 4 years old and she and her family were just exiting a restaurant when the dog grabbed the girl’s face (she needed reconstructive surgery, but survived). Her father went searching for the dog, and when he found where it lived, the owner had the dog back in its pen. When the girl’s dad approached with the shovel, the owner already knew what was to come and BEGGED the dad to not kill her dog. He beat the dog to death right there.

It went to court. I can’t recall the outcome, but the dad later told press that nobody won. He felt bad for killing the dog in retrospect, but at the time it had to be done. [/quote]

^^that dad should go to prison, get ass raped and then, thereafter, his fate is set – he shall perish in a car fire. his mother and daughter and sister should be sold into the heroin and prostitution sex ring in Turkey, just to push karma back towards a fair lean the other way.[/quote]

Why? (I’m genuinely curious, and this is not some attack on you. Just want to see why you’re so fueled behind it. (not that he does or does not deserve some repercussion))
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Psst! Hey Rico… Greg was just being facetious.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Anyone recall the story some years ago, where a dog escaped its confines, roamed the street and mauled a little girl? Her father hunted that dog down right to the owner’s house, then beat the dog to death with a shovel - right in front of the owner.

I would have done the same. [/quote]

I would not be able to think clearly enough to even consider grabbing a shovel. My heart rate nearly doubled just thinking about it.[/quote]

I wish I could find that story online. The dog had been pent up for some time. He escaped and went roaming for a victim. The girl was just 4 years old and she and her family were just exiting a restaurant when the dog grabbed the girl’s face (she needed reconstructive surgery, but survived). Her father went searching for the dog, and when he found where it lived, the owner had the dog back in its pen. When the girl’s dad approached with the shovel, the owner already knew what was to come and BEGGED the dad to not kill her dog. He beat the dog to death right there.

It went to court. I can’t recall the outcome, but the dad later told press that nobody won. He felt bad for killing the dog in retrospect, but at the time it had to be done. [/quote]

^^that dad should go to prison, get ass raped and then, thereafter, his fate is set – he shall perish in a car fire. his mother and daughter and sister should be sold into the heroin and prostitution sex ring in Turkey, just to push karma back towards a fair lean the other way.[/quote]

Why? (I’m genuinely curious, and this is not some attack on you. Just want to see why you’re so fueled behind it. (not that he does or does not deserve some repercussion))
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Psst! Hey Rico… Greg was just being facetious.[/quote]

Never judge a man based on what he looks like. that’s what my mom always says.

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[quote]Socrastein wrote:
Most people never bother to read or research child development, psychology, behavior, etc. before having kids, and needless to say even fewer people bother to read a single damn book when they decide to incorporate a completely different species into their household, but ignorance and laziness do not excuse the fact that you didn’t know how to raise your dog and it had to die because of your stupidity. [/quote]

There, right FUCKING THERE!

People will just get themselves a dog just to have a dog without taking the time to learn, research and understand how the ‘‘creature’’ they’re bringing into their home, ‘‘functions’’. Most inexperienced/new dog owners usually confuse the mouthing for biting (especially young dogs) and flip out. The dog either gets put down or is given away.

A young dog just wants to play and will use his mouth and teeth a lot. If proper procedures or training aren’t provided to stop it, the habit will stick forever and it’d be hard to control the dog in the long term. Owners need to kick off discipline at a very young age, just as they’d do with a child.

It could also be argued that there are dogs that no matter what you do, they’d have occasional aggressive streaks when they are older and the only option is to shut them down.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

I wish I could find that story online. The dog had been pent up for some time. He escaped and went roaming for a victim. The girl was just 4 years old and she and her family were just exiting a restaurant when the dog grabbed the girl’s face (she needed reconstructive surgery, but survived). Her father went searching for the dog, and when he found where it lived, the owner had the dog back in its pen. When the girl’s dad approached with the shovel, the owner already knew what was to come and BEGGED the dad to not kill her dog. He beat the dog to death right there.

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Like a boss.

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[quote]jimbobmccoy wrote:

Was his response wrong?

I think most parents would have a similar response regarding the future of the dog.

I also think most decent humans would have the dog put down in a humane way.

But if the child in the op had died would the parents reaction be getting the same criticism?

If you were out walking with your child in a pram, and a guy came and pushed the pram over, who would honestly not beat the hell out of the guy?

Why is it different because it’s a dog?

I do agree the parents have accountability for letting the situation arise in the first place though.[/quote]

The question is, WHAT THE FUCK a dog’s doing around a NEWBORN? WHAT THE FUCK a dog is doing around a 3 MONTHS old?

Yeah, that’s it, kill the motherfucking dog to cover up your fucking guilt and inability to train your dog and the idea that you can trust him with your baby around,(even though that’s still an animal) and, your inability to prioritise what matters the most; your fucking child, motherfuckers!!

LOL

At least they killed the JR in the most humane way.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I love dogs…but it’s a dog. I had mine stolen. I didn’t exactly see anyone recommend any Amber alerts.[/quote]

You should have interrogated all your neighbors… Waterboard, bamboo chutes, car batteries with attachment cables… The works.[/quote]
lol

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[quote]Socrastein wrote:
As for animals being killed with zero pain or suffering, that’s simply not true at all. At best, it’s true of a very small number of facilities. I live in Seattle and it’s one of the greenest, hippiest places you’re going to find.

Tons of “local, organic” goods and meats. Every time I’ve looked closely into a farm that purports to have humane treatment of livestock, at best it’s less terrible than most other places. However if multi-grain bread has taught us anything, it’s that “less terrible” doesn’t equate to “good”.

However, even if I were to grant your point for the sake of argument and assume that all livestock were killed instantly with zero pain, that doesn’t address all the pain and suffering they endure their entire lives before they are put out of their misery. Unless you care to argue that we give pigs, chickens, cows, etc. happy free lives before mercifully killing them.
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Hey man, I hear you completely. Go look at a small scale holistic farm. It will be very different. If you are ever in the southwest let me know. Our pigs are some of the happiest animals you’ll ever see, same goes for the chickens, cows, horses, goats, and sheep.

We treat them incredibly well (move them daily, fresh water and feed and not around any scat, no flies and all) and they have one bad day when it is time to butcher. They all come when called or just when I walk up.

I know there are plenty of horrible farms, but to say all of them are is just plain wrong.

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:
Most people never bother to read or research child development, psychology, behavior, etc. before having kids, and needless to say even fewer people bother to read a single damn book when they decide to incorporate a completely different species into their household, but ignorance and laziness do not excuse the fact that you didn’t know how to raise your dog and it had to die because of your stupidity. [/quote]

There, right FUCKING THERE!

People will just get themselves a dog just to have a dog without taking the time to learn, research and understand how the ‘‘creature’’ they’re bringing into their home, ‘‘functions’’. Most inexperienced/new dog owners usually confuse the mouthing for biting (especially young dogs) and flip out. The dog either gets put down or is given away.

A young dog just wants to play and will use his mouth and teeth a lot. If proper procedures or training aren’t provided to stop it, the habit will stick forever and it’d be hard to control the dog in the long term. Owners need to kick off discipline at a very young age, just as they’d do with a child.

It could also be argued that there are dogs that no matter what you do, they’d have occasional aggressive streaks when they are older and the only option is to shut them down.

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Some dogs can’t be fixed though. Just like people.

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[quote]USMCpoolee wrote:
I know there are plenty of horrible farms, but to say all of them are is just plain wrong.
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I’m happy to hear that your farm is one of the small number of which prioritize care and respect for the animals. I didn’t say every farm is the same, I simply said the best ones I’ve looked into around here are suspect and the vast majority of farmers don’t give enough shits about the animals to treat them with respect.

It’s still culturally acceptable to smack a small child when it misbehaves, so it really isn’t a stretch to think people who raise and butcher animals for a living aren’t going to go out of their way to make sure they are minimizing their pain and suffering.

But seriously, if you’re taking great care of your animals then I respect that immensely. Surely you realize how rare someone like you is.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Some dogs can’t be fixed though. Just like people. [/quote]

I guess so, yeah.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I love dogs…but it’s a dog. I had mine stolen. I didn’t exactly see anyone recommend any Amber alerts. [/quote]

Got yourself a new pup, Prof?

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[quote]Socrastein wrote:
It’s still culturally acceptable to smack a small child when it misbehaves, so it really isn’t a stretch to think people who raise and butcher animals for a living aren’t going to go out of their way to make sure they are minimizing their pain and suffering.
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How many kids do you have?

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[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Rico Suave wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Anyone recall the story some years ago, where a dog escaped its confines, roamed the street and mauled a little girl? Her father hunted that dog down right to the owner’s house, then beat the dog to death with a shovel - right in front of the owner.

I would have done the same. [/quote]

I would not be able to think clearly enough to even consider grabbing a shovel. My heart rate nearly doubled just thinking about it.[/quote]

I wish I could find that story online. The dog had been pent up for some time. He escaped and went roaming for a victim. The girl was just 4 years old and she and her family were just exiting a restaurant when the dog grabbed the girl’s face (she needed reconstructive surgery, but survived). Her father went searching for the dog, and when he found where it lived, the owner had the dog back in its pen. When the girl’s dad approached with the shovel, the owner already knew what was to come and BEGGED the dad to not kill her dog. He beat the dog to death right there.

It went to court. I can’t recall the outcome, but the dad later told press that nobody won. He felt bad for killing the dog in retrospect, but at the time it had to be done. [/quote]

^^that dad should go to prison, get ass raped and then, thereafter, his fate is set – he shall perish in a car fire. his mother and daughter and sister should be sold into the heroin and prostitution sex ring in Turkey, just to push karma back towards a fair lean the other way.[/quote]

Why? (I’m genuinely curious, and this is not some attack on you. Just want to see why you’re so fueled behind it. (not that he does or does not deserve some repercussion))
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Psst! Hey Rico… Greg was just being facetious.[/quote]

Never judge a man based on what he looks like. that’s what my mom always says. [/quote]

I was re quoting a poster from the first page… It was a joke.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:
It’s still culturally acceptable to smack a small child when it misbehaves, so it really isn’t a stretch to think people who raise and butcher animals for a living aren’t going to go out of their way to make sure they are minimizing their pain and suffering.
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How many kids do you have?[/quote]

I smell a fallacy brewing.

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[quote]Socrastein wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:
It’s still culturally acceptable to smack a small child when it misbehaves, so it really isn’t a stretch to think people who raise and butcher animals for a living aren’t going to go out of their way to make sure they are minimizing their pain and suffering.
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How many kids do you have?[/quote]

I smell a fallacy brewing. [/quote]

I’ve been smelling what your high horse has been standing in for a while now. But please, feel free to tell us all about your vast child raising experience and how that relates to farm animals, I’m all ears.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:
It’s still culturally acceptable to smack a small child when it misbehaves, so it really isn’t a stretch to think people who raise and butcher animals for a living aren’t going to go out of their way to make sure they are minimizing their pain and suffering.
[/quote]

How many kids do you have?[/quote]

I smell a fallacy brewing. [/quote]

I’ve been smelling what your high horse has been standing in for a while now. But please, feel free to tell us all about your vast child raising experience and how that relates to farm animals, I’m all ears.[/quote]

I have seen Charlottes Web at least 13 times. That has kids AND farm animals so I’m pretty qualified to answer all your questions.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:
It’s still culturally acceptable to smack a small child when it misbehaves, so it really isn’t a stretch to think people who raise and butcher animals for a living aren’t going to go out of their way to make sure they are minimizing their pain and suffering.
[/quote]

How many kids do you have?[/quote]

I smell a fallacy brewing. [/quote]

I’ve been smelling what your high horse has been standing in for a while now. But please, feel free to tell us all about your vast child raising experience and how that relates to farm animals, I’m all ears.[/quote]

I have seen Charlottes Web at least 13 times. That has kids AND farm animals so I’m pretty qualified to answer all your questions.[/quote]

haha, that one is Wilbur the prize pig correct? It’s been awhile.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Socrastein wrote:
It’s still culturally acceptable to smack a small child when it misbehaves, so it really isn’t a stretch to think people who raise and butcher animals for a living aren’t going to go out of their way to make sure they are minimizing their pain and suffering.
[/quote]

How many kids do you have?[/quote]

I smell a fallacy brewing. [/quote]

I’ve been smelling what your high horse has been standing in for a while now. But please, feel free to tell us all about your vast child raising experience and how that relates to farm animals, I’m all ears.[/quote]

I have seen Charlottes Web at least 13 times. That has kids AND farm animals so I’m pretty qualified to answer all your questions.[/quote]

haha, that one is Wilbur the prize pig correct? It’s been awhile.[/quote]

correct… lots of life lessons to be learned.

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Countingbeans

I can see how my questions and statements might come across as “from a high horse” but in fact I was taking issue with the comments that the man in the OP article was villainous scum deserving nothing but the worst kind of punishment. I found these statements to be a tad pretentious, in so far as I think many people are guilty of mistreating animals and/or having little regard for their pain and suffering.

My comments on farm animals is a variation of the notion “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. As with any opinion I have/share, I’m always open to counterpoints and am the first to reconsider my position in light of superior reasoning or perspectives I’ve not previously considered. So far I haven’t seen much offered other than dismissive quips such as yours.

As for the relationship between how many people treat children and my point on the majority of farms not prioritizing ethical treatment of their animals, I thought it was a pretty clear and simple point. You quoted the relevant text so I think it would be unnecessary to repeat it. Perhaps I can phrase it more succinctly: if most people still don’t have a problem hitting human children, they probably don’t have a problem hurting livestock.

You can clearly see this is not an anecdotal claim but merely an observation and extrapolation of how we as a culture treat animals, including the young human animal.

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The real problem in all of this is that the guy made too much noise. I’d have done it much more quietly.