It’s fairly common.
Remember lying on job application is the first place that HR looks to fire your ass. Don’t do it.
I have to submit official transcripts on every job I apply for.
I question how accurate background checks even are.
Not so much with education, but with criminal background. My felony never showed up, as in it never happened or existed, at least in the context of whatever database was used.
Not that I am complaining.
Most people are too lazy, don’t care, or want to pay to do a background check.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I question how accurate background checks even are.
Not so much with education, but with criminal background. My felony never showed up, as in it never happened or existed, at least in the context of whatever database was used.
Not that I am complaining.
Most people are too lazy, don’t care, or want to pay to do a background check. [/quote]
Since you felony is over a few year back Max if I remember correctly, it is probably still in hard copy. Most back grounds now are all internet based so yours obviously have not been digitized.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I question how accurate background checks even are.
Not so much with education, but with criminal background. My felony never showed up, as in it never happened or existed, at least in the context of whatever database was used.
Not that I am complaining.
Most people are too lazy, don’t care, or want to pay to do a background check. [/quote]
Since you felony is over a few year back Max if I remember correctly, it is probably still in hard copy. Most back grounds now are all internet based so yours obviously have not been digitized. [/quote]
Sounds just as good as being expunged. Max is no longer a felon! Yay internet!
To be honest, sounds like some she she made up to support a narrative in her own head. Chances are she probably does that herself?
It depends on the job, for a low level shit job it wouldnt surprise me if people are starting to lie just to get a chance to get their foot in the door. Some companies have developed a ridiculous attitude that their staff have to be a-listers - even for a fucking retail job.
But higher up the ladder, you would get found out fast. In the upper echelons of the workforce, references are important, people WILL check your history, they will call previous employers, they will check your military service records etc.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I question how accurate background checks even are.
Not so much with education, but with criminal background. My felony never showed up, as in it never happened or existed, at least in the context of whatever database was used.
Not that I am complaining.
Most people are too lazy, don’t care, or want to pay to do a background check. [/quote]
It does depend on the database and diligence. I’ve had them done to see what comes up and they’re clean, but one company sent someone to the clerk of courts office and they looked at the hard copies- which contained everything I did from 18 onward.
It cost them about a thousand dollars to find out that they couldn’t hire me.
Happens all the time havn’t you guys watched suits? Awesome show. Lie about experience but not stuff that can be found.
hey SkyzykS:
If I wanted to learn how to weld, what would you recommend? Chicago City Colleges offer courses I could take as part of a certificate program, but I’m wondering if that’s overkill for what I’m looking to do.
Specifically, I’d like to be able to do automotive stuff like replacing frame rails, cutting out and welding in new floor pans, replacing rusted out sections, etc.
Thanks.
http://www.ccc.edu/colleges/kennedy/programs/pages/welder-(combination)-basic-certificate.aspx
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
hey SkyzykS:
If I wanted to learn how to weld, what would you recommend? Chicago City Colleges offer courses I could take as part of a certificate program, but I’m wondering if that’s overkill for what I’m looking to do.
Specifically, I’d like to be able to do automotive stuff like replacing frame rails, cutting out and welding in new floor pans, replacing rusted out sections, etc.
Thanks.
http://www.ccc.edu/colleges/kennedy/programs/pages/welder-(combination)-basic-certificate.aspx
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The 332TECH 530-1 Advanced Welding class is likely all you would need as long as it includes some mig and tig. You could even stop by the school and talk to the instructor ahead of time to be sure(it wasn’t giving me an expanded description when I clicked on it). Since it’s personal enrichment, you shouldn’t have to stick to the curriculum. Knowing what you want to do with it in advance, you could tell the instructor what you have in mind and he could give you specific instruction for technique to that end. Getting some hands on time with a plasma cutter would be ideal too.
Careful though. You might get hooked and find yourself down the road tigging up custom headers and all other sorts of craziness.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I question how accurate background checks even are.
Not so much with education, but with criminal background. My felony never showed up, as in it never happened or existed, at least in the context of whatever database was used.
Not that I am complaining.
Most people are too lazy, don’t care, or want to pay to do a background check. [/quote]
Since you felony is over a few year back Max if I remember correctly, it is probably still in hard copy. Most back grounds now are all internet based so yours obviously have not been digitized. [/quote]
In my experience the majority of criminal records are in electronic format regardless of how old the record is…somewhere. Where the break down occurs is how each state reports their records to the FBI (NCIC). Each state maintains their own database of criminal records and are supposed to report convictions to NCIC (one giant nation wide database). What happens on rare occasion is that the state fails to forward the conviction record.
So, for example if you are convicted in one state of a felony and seek employment in another and a criminal records check is done in the state that you are seeking employment in your record may be clean if the state you committed the felony in did not properly report it to the FBI.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’ve seen some gigantic smack talking in blue collar/technical work. I can understand the motive and that someone wants to make a living, but that is no way to go about getting a job. It’s going to become obvious very quickly if someone is lying about qualifications.
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The tall tales get pretty ridiculous sometimes. To hear some of them tell it, they carried the switchgear in on their back, programmed the PLC and bent the pipe with their bare hands cuz they are god’s gift to electrical work. But then when the building is down and they are standing in front of the board, they fail to notice the red button sticking out indicating a ground fault. Or even worse, they just push the button back in and attempt to close the main with out meggering the system first to find out why it tripped in the first place! People like that are fucking scarey. But every company has them. One can only hope that they weed themselves out before someone get’s hurt or killed.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I question how accurate background checks even are.
Not so much with education, but with criminal background. My felony never showed up, as in it never happened or existed, at least in the context of whatever database was used.
Not that I am complaining.
Most people are too lazy, don’t care, or want to pay to do a background check. [/quote]
Since you felony is over a few year back Max if I remember correctly, it is probably still in hard copy. Most back grounds now are all internet based so yours obviously have not been digitized. [/quote]
Mine was over twenty years ago and it shows up every time. It probably varies by state on how they keep their records. Mine was in MD.
I NEVER lie about, though. Not on an application and not in person. It’s funny to see people’s reactions on the rare instances when it comes up - priceless.
Some companies have applications that ask if you’ve been convicted in the last seven years which I can answer “no” honestly. I like those applications.
so not worth it. even if they don’t do a background check and you get the job or whatever you’re applying for, you’ll be constantly paranoid about it. the fact is, eventually the truth will come out. if it’s a requirement for what your goals are, put in the time and get the education. be confident AND qualified. gl.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
To be honest, sounds like some she she made up to support a narrative in her own head. Chances are she probably does that herself?
It depends on the job, for a low level shit job it wouldnt surprise me if people are starting to lie just to get a chance to get their foot in the door. Some companies have developed a ridiculous attitude that their staff have to be a-listers - even for a fucking retail job.
But higher up the ladder, you would get found out fast. In the upper echelons of the workforce, references are important, people WILL check your history, they will call previous employers, they will check your military service records etc.[/quote]
Actually, a lot of people are dumbing down their resumes to get jobs they’re overqualified for just so they can make a living since they can’t get what they are qualified for.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
The 332TECH 530-1 Advanced Welding class is likely all you would need as long as it includes some mig and tig. You could even stop by the school and talk to the instructor ahead of time to be sure(it wasn’t giving me an expanded description when I clicked on it). Since it’s personal enrichment, you shouldn’t have to stick to the curriculum. Knowing what you want to do with it in advance, you could tell the instructor what you have in mind and he could give you specific instruction for technique to that end. Getting some hands on time with a plasma cutter would be ideal too.
Careful though. You might get hooked and find yourself down the road tigging up custom headers and all other sorts of craziness.
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Awesome, thank you.
It wouldn’t surprise me that they fucked up in sharing the data.
These people are so stupid or lazy, someone forgot to mention I have dual citizenship, and I was put in deportation proceedings for a brief moment.
It was cleared up soon after I reminded them.
These same idiots misspelled my co-conspirator’s last name on his paperwork, and he decided not to correct them. He actually pled guilty to his crime under an incorrect name, so when they do a background check on him, he comes out clean. The felony is under his misspelled last name LOL.
My brother always lied on his resume. Had a job lined up recently… the potential boss even took him out for breakfast on her vacation to orient him… background check came back and he didn’t get the job. This was lower management at a national call center.
I’ve applied for jobs that ask for copies of your diploma when you apply. My undergrad has some phone hotline for verification that costs like 8 bucks. Any government or finance job will check… unless it’s some boutique finance, maybe.
For criminal, in the US, you can get a copy of your background from the FBI for like 14 bucks. A staffing agency won’t place you if you have anything theft/honesty related.
I’m also a CMU alum, FWIW.
Read the profiles of some of the trainers in the gym. They have the knack of making a 1 day course sound like a masters degree.
I agree that it depends on the job, as some do little to no credential verification. I work in public education, so I had to provide a detailed resume and sealed, official transcripts to secure my job. They performed an extensive criminal background check, then engaged in so-called “3-deep” resume verification, i.e., the employer calls each reference that you listed (usually 3-4 people), then asks each of those listed references for the name and number of another person who might be able to provide a reference.
They then do the same thing a third time with those contacts, thus contacting no less than nine persons, only 3 or 4 of whom you may have actually listed on your resume itself. This can be a pretty effective way of weeding out unsuitable candidates, as no one is going to deliberately list a reference who is likely to give them a poor job recommendation.