I’ll stick with my post it’s pointless , not arguing with you . Your looking at books , I’m looking at multiple users at many different weights and personal experience .
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Are you looking at guys who are very small to begin with
Or massive dudes
5’2 and 155 is massive if they’re lean. So you can say “it didn’t work for this guy and he’s 155”
But a smaller guy generally needs less stimulus to grow. If someone at 155lbs, 5’9 or so can easily put on 15 lbs within a year… there is no WAY 100mg tren would do nothing… at least I don’t believe that to be the case
I’d even put you’re ideology to the test and say “well, I’ll try it”… but I’m not using tren and never will barring perhaps I’m diagnosed with a terminal disease and/or secure a modelling gig paying a shit ton of money but they need some “excess enhancement”.
Though OP did mention he’s very lean, if he’s say 5% bf he’s probably fairly athletic looking, not exactly holding NO muscle mass.
We can agree to disageee. Perhaps I am wrong, I’ve never personally used tren. Should also be stated individualistic responses to drugs differ, it’s always best to try find the lowest effective dose. Some buys (rarely) will blow up on 250mg test weekly, others will need 700mg to achieve what another did on 250 irrespective of having the same diet/training routine
For someone whose prior cycle was 300mg test weekly, his AR won’t need all that much stimulus in order to elicit results. And stimulus to grow won’t be all that extensive.
I think the correct answer here though is to tell the initial poster “don’t use tren”
Unless one is incredibly lean (5-8%) 155 at 5’9 is what I’d consider to be thin. Don’t want to turn out like Dylan Gemelli because you can’t eat (though he states he stays small for enhanced levels of female attention)
Dude I’m so tired of seeing you argue with people who have first hand experiences, sometimes years of it, when you haven’t even tried a legitimate cycle. It would be one thing if you just said the information you’ve google searched etc, but ur argumentative and just plain rude most of the time. You really should learn how to respect others especially considering your talking to ppl that are both older than you and ten times more experienced most of the time.
Share your opinion as much as you want, but be fucking respectful about it
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I think the problem with your perspective here is that a 155lbs guy 5’9" could theoretically grow without tren. Whatever OPs stumbling block is for not doing so will likely prevent OP from making the most of a low dose of tren. OP should do a typical starting dose of tren, make his bed, and lay in it.
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I agree with @unreal24278 here. I have first hand experience with tren at all sorts of doses. But he’s spot on as well as @aaronca.
You don’t always need first hand experience to provide valuable knowledge this thought process is extremely ignorant
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Limited first hand experience means very little to the majority. All it means is you’ve learned what works for you and response is highly individualistic.
I’ve rarely seen such characteristics from @unreal24278. Perhaps you are taking things to personally?
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This forum feels like the twilight zone sometimes I swear
OP how do you plan to keep these tren gains after your cycle. If you were a 139lb man before cycle and return to your previous diet, then you have zero chance keeping any of this muscle.
add some winstrol to this cycle and i think ur good to go, nothing like test tren and winny.
agree dudes on an AAS forum all day and alls he does is tell people how they shouldnt use it and its irresponsible.
YOu nEed tO eAt
I do eat. 300grams of karbs and 120 grams of protein with 100 grams of fat. (more or less. not exact numbers,I don’t weigh every bite obviously). and I’m gaining much more than on gear then I am did when I was natty .feeling amazing while doing so as well? I’m almost back to my old body in less than 2 months? who are you to say if I should use gear or not lol? is that what I asked in the post? I trained natty up to 160lbs ( never been above %10 bf in my life) and quit for a couple years only to decide I wanted to do gear instead of being a natty who has to bother with all kinds of shit for below mediocre growth.
inb4 ; " Y-yoU mUsT haVe DonE SOMETHING wRoNg tO OnlY gRoW thAt MucH aFter TraIning aNd EaTinG pRoPer foR 4 YeArs" yeah yeah I bet I wasn’t using a buttplug while squatting and doing ass to grass and that’s why I wasn’t growing as much or maybe I should’ve eatin THIS type of karbs instead of THAT type and I never should even think about steroids until I reach my absolute peak of natural limit and that is exactly what you did before you started too!! I bet everyone here did the same as well!! we are all pro bodybuilders and definitely not here for self indulgence!!
Y-You beNch 135? N-not iMpressIve
1- lol? it is? if you’re 135lbs that’s a lot of weight for you?
2-before the cycle I was around 135 but before I quit training I was 160 (which wasn’t the amount I benched) I was making an analogy to point out that I was referring to my fitness and weight before the cycle in the context that the dosages I’m using were for my size and not bragging about strength.
if i gained a pound of muscle mass everytime I heard this exact hypocritical comment my corpse could solve world hunger lmao
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why would I stop eating and training after the cycle? surely I won’t have the same appetite but that doesn’t mean I’ll fuck my diet up. I’ve trained and eaten properly before I don’t think I will have an issue except for losing the gear feeling which will DEFINITELY suck major ass but hey I’m okay with it.
oh also I don’t plan to keep those forever. definitely trying more combinations on low doses later on. maybe boldenon deca and test for the cycle after that but who knows. definitely not done after 2 cycles though that’s for sure
i think you listened to your body and adjusted to where you feel ur best and thats how it should be theres no forum warrior that can tell you whats best for your body and what you should and shouldnt take. Only thing i would say is probably yes on switching to tren ace so if you dont like how it makes you feel you can get off it faster. Also at 100 mg/week you prob wont see any results on tren e until you are pretty much done.
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I tried a typical dose of test and it sucked for me. 600mg IS typical right? even 450 was kind of bothersome. chalk it up to bodies reacting differently honestly
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absolutely agree. others first hand experience isn’t supposed to give you a cookie cutter conclusion but rather a general idea.
slowly testing waters never hurts.
I got the answers for most of my questions but I’m still not sure how long to run tren ace for.
since it kicks in fast do you run it for 6 weeks instead of 8? pinning frequency?
Damn, BIG EATER we got here guys, choking down a whole massive 2500 calories! Hey there Hercules, listen up, EAT MORE, you’re small, you’re clearly not training properly or eating enough.
Enjoy losing everything you gain once you come entirely off AAS, and going back to your 135lb prepubescent body.
And 135lb bench is pathetic no matter your size. My 100lb wife benches 135 for reps.
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6-8 weeks is typical at that low of a dose you can get away with 12.
ok bud see you in a few months so until then buck off and bother someone else with your unwanted opinions!!
Don’t be mad that my wife benches more than you, pipsqueek. Skinny man syndrome doesn’t look good on you.