Longer Cycles (20-24 weeks) ?

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[quote]xilinx wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Dude, if there was another world war, my testosterone levels would be the last thing on my mind!

And just what is wrong with a global government anyway? Global government is the only logical progression forward from the current global political system, and would likely put an end to wars and conflicts.[/quote]

Every generation with its proponents of Utopia, every generation with its painful, bloody, disillusionment. Part of the human condition, I guess.

I’m with BBB, people appreciate conditioning much more than a few more pounds, since the eye catches proportions more than absolute size. Also, vascularity hints at muscularity.[/quote]

Could you clarify your point about utopia? Or was it simply comment.

And would anyone like to chime in on my cycle? I’m quite likely going to be running this as an extended one. I find it comforting that in studies where androgens are used as male contraceptives, that even without any pct, all subjects recover normal testosterone and gonadotropins, although this may take sometime (as long as four months). And this is for people that have been “on” for 24 weeks and longer. It would be interesting to see if a standard PCT improves this recovery time, and by how much.

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MG:

This is what I’d do considering you are on the decanoate ester. As you are at week 10 (?) now and this will take a while to clear, Bills protocol will be tough to follow.

So I’d cease the deca and reduce the test to TRT levels and toggle to a fat loss protocol for 4 weeks.

Resume on test (still on TRT levels) and run a high primo dose for the remaining weeks. (800 per week is what I would do if I could afford it). Resume high calories etc…

if tren is available I’d look into that considering strength is one of your goals.

In the last two weeks of your cycle I’d look to switch to shorter esters: prop, ace etc.

Once blood levels reduce below 100mg , commence ‘stasis taper’ with serm.

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Thanks for the input. The reason I picked primo over tren was because of the deca, I wasn’t sure if it was a good idea to mix the two since they are both progestagenic. Since starting the dbol with the deca, I have to say I am really, really loving it, so I am going to continue running the two together, at least for the next few weeks. I was also going to try out increasing the deca dose to see what I can tolerate. I have had zero side effects from it so far. I am going to try pushing it as high as 600mg a week, although from what I gather this is a bit on the high side.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]xilinx wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Dude, if there was another world war, my testosterone levels would be the last thing on my mind!

And just what is wrong with a global government anyway? Global government is the only logical progression forward from the current global political system, and would likely put an end to wars and conflicts.[/quote]

Every generation with its proponents of Utopia, every generation with its painful, bloody, disillusionment. Part of the human condition, I guess.

I’m with BBB, people appreciate conditioning much more than a few more pounds, since the eye catches proportions more than absolute size. Also, vascularity hints at muscularity.[/quote]

Could you clarify your point about utopia? Or was it simply comment.

And would anyone like to chime in on my cycle? I’m quite likely going to be running this as an extended one. I find it comforting that in studies where androgens are used as male contraceptives, that even without any pct, all subjects recover normal testosterone and gonadotropins, although this may take sometime (as long as four months). And this is for people that have been “on” for 24 weeks and longer. It would be interesting to see if a standard PCT improves this recovery time, and by how much.[/quote]

While they did recover, I’m not sure how well that went, and they probably weren’t all that interested in keeping LBM…

and my comment means that good intentions get ruined by humans… the USA constitution is a Very good one; alas they can’t help try to subvert it, with politicians hunger for power and fast solutions. On a local basis, these mistakes can be corrected much more easily than if done globally.

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In the studies I looked at, recovery was classed as having LH and FSH levels, along with testosterone, at pre-treatment levels. They definately weren’t concerned with LBM, although that was noted to have increased in all subjects, without any training at all. Considering they did not use any ancilliaries such as HCG during the cycle or nolva at the end to give the htpa a kick, they still recovered, although it did take some time in some cases.

I think there are some interesting conclusions to be drawn form those studies. I think In one study they showed that after a 24week cycle of 600mg weekly testosterone enanthate, 3 weeks after stopping the drugs, LH and FSH had returned to normal. I cant remember about testosterone in that case.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
In the studies I looked at, recovery was classed as having LH and FSH levels, along with testosterone, at pre-treatment levels. They definately weren’t concerned with LBM, although that was noted to have increased in all subjects, without any training at all. Considering they did not use any ancilliaries such as HCG during the cycle or nolva at the end to give the htpa a kick, they still recovered, although it did take some time in some cases.

I think there are some interesting conclusions to be drawn form those studies. I think In one study they showed that after a 24week cycle of 600mg weekly testosterone enanthate, 3 weeks after stopping the drugs, LH and FSH had returned to normal. I cant remember about testosterone in that case. [/quote]

Interesting.thanks for bringing this. I’ll try to find these studies, though common wisdom here is different, and I mean from people like BR, not just bro science. also, the steroids forum has enough stories about recovery difficulties, to get me thinking it is better to be careful about recovery.