London Riots

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[quote]Dr.Bop wrote:
Ok i’ve seen alot of analysis of the situation, reasons why this happened etc.

Basically its like a forest fire, it takes a long hot summer to dry out the forest, but all it takes is one spark, spreads like wild fire and the whole thing goes up in smoke. The long hot summer for london is poverty, unemployment, and high density of people and crime in these estates where alot of streetwise and opportunistic youths are competing to climb out of that shit hole, or be king of it, no matter the cost.

At the end of the day most people are just highly evolved animals, the link to instinctive behaviour is hard-wired into their brains from millions of year of evolution.

One of these behaviours is mob mentality, what started out as a single spark (the shooting) and then the inital reaction (police cars burnt outside a station after a protest), evolved into criminal vandalism and looting. The looting is an organized response by criminals to capatilize on the chaos, and the rioting that creates this chaos is feeding and creating the right conditions in which to carry out these acts.

Fact is people don’t feel responsible for their own individual actions and will assume that mob mentality and common aim because its in human nature, and is probably quite thrilling to your average thug.

We know the system is broken, we all helped create it, and its not going to change anytime soon either. I’m just outraged at how impotent the police seem in the face of it, after all when buildings start to get burnt down, innocents, women, and children could die.

Sometimes sh*t just happens you know…[/quote]

Your analogy works to a point, but why does a “forest fire” in London ignite similar actions in Liverpool, Birmingham and Bristol etc. They don’t give two shits about Mark Duggan.

I think we are just reaping what we have sown, this is what happens years down the line when you “spare the rod and spoil the child”. Liberal parenting, where the greatest punishment a child can get is two minutes on the “naughty step” instead of a thick ear, is responsible for this.

I find it ironic that all young people go on about how “they” deserve respect, yet none of them respect their parents, their teachers, their neighbours, the law or authority of any kind.

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iamlufbra91 has I think hit the nail on the head with his posts. I watched that vid of the police charged by the thugs. Honestly, this is really really bad news. These thugs now know that they have power. The police won’t stop them. Due to stuff like this being posted around on youtube for other thugs to see, I get the feeling the vandalism will spread even faster as more and more realize they can do whatever they want and get away with it. Someone has already posted a vid of people getting beaten up by looters. How long until people’s homes will become broken into and families will get mugged in their own bedrooms and stabbed with their own kitchen knives?

The whole situation is unbelievable. It’s all like something out of a Batman story, what with the city turning into a warzone and the police unable to do anything due to corruption/laws that favor the criminal. Except here there is no Batman to scare the mob.

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YE, rugggby, there isnt much the police can do. They can fire rubber bullets, although these are still potentially lethal, and are more like big torch battries. They have to be fired at the floor so they ricochet up and take out your legs. taking one in the face would be lethal. I think live ammo from the military is the only way to send the message that needs to be sent.

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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

I find it ironic that all young people go on about how “they” deserve respect, yet none of them respect their parents, their teachers, their neighbours, the law or authority of any kind.

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This. Trying to combat the riots is like trying to fix a severed artery with a band-aid; it may work temporarily, but the root cause of the problem is still there; a dysfunctional society. This is a far wider problem than the politicians would have us believe.

I for one think reintroducing national service would be a good idea. Teach the young people how respect has to be earned. It may also go some way as to fixing the benefit culture we seem to have adopted.

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[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:

Your analogy works to a point, but why does a “forest fire” in London ignite similar actions in Liverpool, Birmingham and Bristol etc. They don’t give two shits about Mark Duggan.

I think we are just reaping what we have sown, this is what happens years down the line when you “spare the rod and spoil the child”. Liberal parenting, where the greatest punishment a child can get is two minutes on the “naughty step” instead of a thick ear, is responsible for this.

I find it ironic that all young people go on about how “they” deserve respect, yet none of them respect their parents, their teachers, their neighbours, the law or authority of any kind.

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I agree - and it spreads through social media and tv coverage, I’ve heard a similiar riot has been planned in Manchester tonight, Salford to be exact, a particularly scummy and impoverished area it is too.

Oh and I think the reason why parents fail so much is they are already so unhealthy/tired/powerless from all the shit these ordinary people have mentally and physically endured over their lifetime nowadays with the modern lifestyle pollution, over-cramped urban living, stress, shitty diet, ETC ETC they are unable to assert authority over their kids, who still have the advantage of their youthful energy and strength on their side long after their parents deteriorates. In my opinion anyway…

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My cousin said that they only use rubber bullets in training, no need for lots of ammo due to shoot to kill policy. And the head of the police just said its not an option, it was stopped decades ago.

But i agree. They need to front up and be shown you cannot walk over your local area.

Community defence leagues are being ‘talked’ about all over the place.

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I really don’t know what to say.

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^^ i hope those fucking girls homes get burnt to the ground.

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Update…

Boris, the london mayor is getting abused live on sky news, by local residents of clapham.

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wow, and here i thought we would only see this kind of ignorance here at Brazil

sad day for london

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[quote]iamlufbra91 wrote:

I really don’t know what to say.[/quote]

See there are your politically conscious young people who are rioting for a cause.

The bleeding hearts were right all along.

Seriously though. There is a big issue here, and it is not youth unemployment, race, or any other of the issues that have been claimed. The issue is that we have, over the past 20 years managed to raise a generation on ungrateful, ignorant, rude, and down right scummy individuals, who demand respect without ever giving any. There is no defence for these people. Their parents are useless, and often as bad as they are. There is a legal system in place that is completely ineffectual, and we have governments that seek to appease rather than rule.

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[quote]iamlufbra91 wrote:
I think this situation has been coming for a long time. 13 years of a labour government, and the belief that everyone needs a degree has lead to move away from more vocational qualifications, and an unhealthy stigma in regard to apprenticeships.

There is a class system in this country, no matter how the government may try to insist otherwise. There will always be those who have, and there will always be those who have not. The flawed welfare system has lead to resentment from those who have not for a number of reasons:

  1. In hard economic times, the people at the extremes of the income scale are always hit hardest. Those at the high end of the scale have the financial capacity to deal with these changes, whereas those at the low end do not to the same extent.

  2. The recent economic mess has been widely perceived to be the fault of the high earners, with the bankers providing a convincing scapegoat onto which the blame for a fundamentally flawed/broken economic system can be shifted. This has clearly created resentment from those less financially able, as because of the high earners perceived failings, they are having to pay more taxes.

  3. The election of a conservative government, have inherited the country in a mess, and in need of some drastic changes. These changes will have to come mainly in the form of cuts, else we fall deeper into the financial black hole. You can’t spend money to make money if the money isn’t yours to spend in the first place. These cuts will affect public services, which again the lower classes will use the most. More resent.

  4. Political point scoring from the opposition in regard to cuts that are neccessary because of their failings. Creates feelings of social unrest, coupled with the history of the tories being less than fair to the working class. Unnecessary in times when the politicians should be showing solidarity for the good of the country.

  5. In good economic times, “boom times” if you will, due to the right to free movement within the EU results in many foreign workers coming to the UK to look for work. And why shouldn’t they, see as the jobs they take are the ones which the working class is too lazy to do, because before the recession, you could actually make more money cheating the benefit system, than working for minimum wage. But the feeling that “THEY TOOK OUR JOBS” is still going to remain, the fact they were too lazy to do them in the first place is irrelevant.

Without the jobs/the drive to do the jobs that are available, and the now flawed higher eduction system in regard to alternatives to degree level qualifications, plus the financial incentive to not work, we end up with an idle working class with no respect due to the reasons in my previous post; no prospects, and really very little purpose in the conventional sense of the word.[/quote]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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[quote]iamlufbra91 wrote:

I really don’t know what to say.[/quote]

SMH.

I wish I could slap them bitches. Kick them to the curb.

So businesses in your local area = rich people? Do they actually know what the fuck they’re talking about?
Those are people who started from scratch and have been making a living, from their hard work.

And instead of ruining those hard workers lives, those cunts should go to school and make sure to finish their studies, get qualifications that’ll get them good jobs so they can escape their poor neighbourhood and live a better life.

And I’ll ask again, what the fuck do their parents teach them???

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

And I’ll ask again, what the fuck do their parents teach them???
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How to sponge off of the dole quite likely.

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http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337 it’s not much, but it’s something

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[quote]Bambi wrote:
A couple of mates and I are going down and staying at a good friend’s place to help clean up places vandalised and torched. Enough talk on social media the only way this will be stopped is if people stand against it.
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Well, take care.

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[quote]iamlufbra91 wrote:

I really don’t know what to say.[/quote]

What do their parents think of this attitude? It’s ridiculous.
I’d send them to work in a coal mine.

(I’d actually do something else and while they cry, I’d just say “Just showing I can do what I want”)

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I’m a South London girl as well and work in Ealing (I’m a PE teacher - fortunately it’s school holidays so I haven’t had to go there) and it’s all pretty sickening. It’s mob mentality - opportunistic cunts running riot. If the extra police don’t help then we must bring the army in.

I don’t know about live rounds - I wouldn’t be sorry if a looter got shot but there’s too much potential for collateral damage. They could bust out the plastic bullets they used in Northern Island, though - and yes, I think water cannons would be a smart move.

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16 years old kid has been arrested for trying to start a riot in Glasgow through Facebook.

Is he a victim of povery too?

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Look! We’ve managed to take the soccer out of hooliganism.