London Riots

[Jewbacca]

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
A mall AND a water park!!! Fuck me man, I am moving to Gaza!!! Guess I had better start looking into moving there now so I can get a head start on the huge throng of people that are queuing up for a house there, right?

I will get my news from somewhere other than the BBC when you stop getting your news from Fox.[/quote]

I seldom get news from “Fox.”

You were comparing Gaza to North Korea where people eat bark to survive, which is absurd.

The arabs who occupy Judea have no comparable hardship, with plentiful food, goods, and services. Even free electricity and the best medical care in the world. Almost every household has cable TV, air conditioning, and an auto.

The slight hardships they face are caused by the fact they refuse to agree to let Israel exist, and so lob missle at school children.

[Sifu]

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
This is because for decades now successive governments have had no standards as to who they allowed to immigrate into the country. Those areas where the rioting is taking place are full of immigrants from lawless third world hell holes. So should it be any surprise when their new home starts to look like their old home? [/quote]

http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/News/Riot-Rumour-Manchester-Under-Threat

Sure looks like the white people are digging it. Blaming the immigrants doesn’t always work you know, as much as you love to do it.[/quote]

I did not mention skin color, you are the one who took it there. I have repeatedly pointed out that the British people are being socially engineered into white trash.

You know I grew up in an immigrant family homeboy. I know there are immigrants who behave well. What you obviously are failing to grasp is that immigration into the US versus immigration into the UK are two very different situations. The US is one of the very few first world countries that attracts immigrants from other first world countries.

There was a time when British people were very well behaved. My parents and their friends grew up dirt poor compared to what those rioters have. But they didn’t riot, set peoples homes on fire, assault police, steal etc… Other parts of Europe are still like what Britain used to be like. Something changed the culture there.

What changed it was bringing in people from areas where they are not used to being orderly and obeying the law, combined with a joke of a criminal justice system. The British never established good character standards for who they will take in. They will take anyone. It is so bad over there, they take in Al Qaeda members who are wanted in other countries and give them welfare.

I have a little project for you. Go find some Jamaican people and ask them about what “the garrisons” in Kingston Jamaica are like. You can’t transplant thousands of people from a bad area into a nice area and expect it to stay nice.

[/quote]

Ah yes, I brought color into it even though you are the one who said that the rioting immigrants come from third world hellholes.

Clearly you meant Ireland, how could I not see that?

Good to see your as xenophobic and full of shit as you always are.

On another level, it amazes me continually that Europeans get so hateful about immigrants. I thought we were bad here in America, but we got nothing on some of the white power shit you boys got going. I thought you all would have learned that lesson already…

[/quote]

The last resort of a liberal who has lost the argument is to resort to the intimidation tactic of accusing others of xenophobia. It’s a rhetorical tactic that shows your inability to make a reasoned counter argument.

A proven fact that you are obviously too ignorant to get your head around is there is no such thing as “the geographical cure”. If you take a really fucked up person from one part of the world and put them in another it will not fix their bad behavior. They take their bad behavior with them.

ie When the US started deporting immigrant gang bangers from LA back to where their parents brought them from, Latin American countries all of a sudden developed a problem with LA street gangs that they weren’t prepared to deal with.

Immigration into America is not the same as immigration into Europe. You are the one who is full of shit because you are making accusations without knowing what you are talking about. America is the best country in the world to immigrate to. It’s so good here that people from other first world countries (ie Europe)want to move here.

Europe on the other hand isn’t as attractive so it doesn’t get a lot of first world immigrants. What Europe does get is a lot of desperate second and third world immigrants who are fleeing the most god awful places. Up until recently European cities used to be just like Epcot, clean and safe. Now parts of the nice European cities are starting to be like Newark and the trend is they are going to get worse.

[Sifu]

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
I understand your point of view when it comes to Bristol and some poorer areas in London.

But now that the violence has spread out in other towns and cities, you should also acknowledge that the kids running riots in Suffolk, Manchester or Liverpool do not belong to immigrant communities. Easy to point the finger in one section and ignore the rest.

You said there was a time where the Brits were very well behaved and by that I assume that you think the immigrants brought all the shit going down in your country. So what’s the deal with the kids up North ‘copycatting’ the South East troublemakers? Are they truly influenced by the immigrants kids? Or are they just a bunch of kids bored to death, looking to cause trouble because they have no respect for the law or their parents since the UK discipline system clearly sucks balls? [/quote]

It’s just plain opportunism from street thugs. Once things got out of hand they saw an opportunity to steal and cashed in. Britain is full of what they call feral youths who have been raised to have no fear of repercussions from their actions. A lot of this is self inflected by successive governments.

I am sure many of them are bored to death with nothing to do. The country is being flooded with low wage immigrants who have taken all the entry level jobs. So most of the young are being forced into a life of welfare dependency where an opportunity to riot is an exciting break from their otherwise completely useless existence. I am glad my family got out. [/quote]

They aren’t forced into a life on welfare. It is an easier option so they choose it.[/quote]

It is no longer just the lazy bastards who are on the dole. For many years now the majority of new jobs that have been created in Britain have been taken by foreigners. The wage structure has been deflated. Even people with college degrees or job skills are having a hard time.

[g_dgrim]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]

Sure looks like the white people are digging it. Blaming the immigrants doesn’t always work you know, as much as you love to do it.[/quote]

Britain takes a lot of Polish migrants; I always considered them ‘white’. Still, it’s a chance to play ‘naughty whites’ isn’t it? Yes ‘the white people’ are ‘digging it’ and blaming the (presumably non-white) immigrants - none of whom are involved in any way in these riots. Aren’t ‘the white people’ naughty? etc…[/quote]

You always considered them ‘white’?

[SexMachine]

[quote]g_dgrim wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]

Sure looks like the white people are digging it. Blaming the immigrants doesn’t always work you know, as much as you love to do it.[/quote]

Britain takes a lot of Polish migrants; I always considered them ‘white’. Still, it’s a chance to play ‘naughty whites’ isn’t it? Yes ‘the white people’ are ‘digging it’ and blaming the (presumably non-white) immigrants - none of whom are involved in any way in these riots. Aren’t ‘the white people’ naughty? etc…[/quote]

You always considered them ‘white’? [/quote]

Well aren’t they? They’re not black or brown or yellow or blue. They’re naughty whites. They’re part of a conglomerate known as ‘the white people’ that acts as one and with malevolent intent.

[g_dgrim]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]g_dgrim wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]

Sure looks like the white people are digging it. Blaming the immigrants doesn’t always work you know, as much as you love to do it.[/quote]

Britain takes a lot of Polish migrants; I always considered them ‘white’. Still, it’s a chance to play ‘naughty whites’ isn’t it? Yes ‘the white people’ are ‘digging it’ and blaming the (presumably non-white) immigrants - none of whom are involved in any way in these riots. Aren’t ‘the white people’ naughty? etc…[/quote]

You always considered them ‘white’? [/quote]

Well aren’t they? They’re not black or brown or yellow or blue. They’re naughty whites. They’re part of a conglomerate known as ‘the white people’ that acts as one and with malevolent intent.[/quote]

The quotes around the word “white” made me think about how you mean it. Could be irony or anything else. I spent some time in UK and I know that some Brits literally hate Poles, blaming them for their own unemployment etc.

[SexMachine]

[quote]g_dgrim wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]g_dgrim wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]

Sure looks like the white people are digging it. Blaming the immigrants doesn’t always work you know, as much as you love to do it.[/quote]

Britain takes a lot of Polish migrants; I always considered them ‘white’. Still, it’s a chance to play ‘naughty whites’ isn’t it? Yes ‘the white people’ are ‘digging it’ and blaming the (presumably non-white) immigrants - none of whom are involved in any way in these riots. Aren’t ‘the white people’ naughty? etc…[/quote]

You always considered them ‘white’? [/quote]

Well aren’t they? They’re not black or brown or yellow or blue. They’re naughty whites. They’re part of a conglomerate known as ‘the white people’ that acts as one and with malevolent intent.[/quote]

The quotes around the word “white” made me think about how you mean it. Could be irony or anything else. I spent some time in UK and I know that some Brits literally hate Poles, blaming them for their own unemployment etc. [/quote]

Yes I know. I was pointing out how silly it is to say ‘the whites’ are trying to blame ‘the immigrants’.

[spiderman739]

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
I understand your point of view when it comes to Bristol and some poorer areas in London.

But now that the violence has spread out in other towns and cities, you should also acknowledge that the kids running riots in Suffolk, Manchester or Liverpool do not belong to immigrant communities. Easy to point the finger in one section and ignore the rest.

You said there was a time where the Brits were very well behaved and by that I assume that you think the immigrants brought all the shit going down in your country. So what’s the deal with the kids up North ‘copycatting’ the South East troublemakers? Are they truly influenced by the immigrants kids? Or are they just a bunch of kids bored to death, looking to cause trouble because they have no respect for the law or their parents since the UK discipline system clearly sucks balls? [/quote]

It’s just plain opportunism from street thugs. Once things got out of hand they saw an opportunity to steal and cashed in. Britain is full of what they call feral youths who have been raised to have no fear of repercussions from their actions. A lot of this is self inflected by successive governments.

I am sure many of them are bored to death with nothing to do. The country is being flooded with low wage immigrants who have taken all the entry level jobs. So most of the young are being forced into a life of welfare dependency where an opportunity to riot is an exciting break from their otherwise completely useless existence. I am glad my family got out. [/quote]

They aren’t forced into a life on welfare. It is an easier option so they choose it.[/quote]

It is no longer just the lazy bastards who are on the dole. For many years now the majority of new jobs that have been created in Britain have been taken by foreigners. The wage structure has been deflated. Even people with college degrees or job skills are having a hard time. [/quote]

I do actually agree with you about how the job market has been deflated. It is pretty grim. But the fact that a situation exist where foreigners can take the jobs speaks volumes.

This is a quote from a Daily Mail article I read;

“Every firm in the land knows that an East European â?? for instance â?? will, first, bother to turn up; second, work harder; and third, be better-educated than his or her British counterpart.Who do we blame for this state of affairs?”

People who arrive in a country and are willing to work cannot be blamed for looking for employment.

[spiderman739]

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
A mall AND a water park!!! Fuck me man, I am moving to Gaza!!! Guess I had better start looking into moving there now so I can get a head start on the huge throng of people that are queuing up for a house there, right?

I will get my news from somewhere other than the BBC when you stop getting your news from Fox.[/quote]

I seldom get news from “Fox.”

You were comparing Gaza to North Korea where people eat bark to survive, which is absurd.

The arabs who occupy Judea have no comparable hardship, with plentiful food, goods, and services. Even free electricity and the best medical care in the world. Almost every household has cable TV, air conditioning, and an auto.

The slight hardships they face are caused by the fact they refuse to agree to let Israel exist, and so lob missle at school children.[/quote]

70% living below the poverty line.
17.5% of toddlers suffering from malnutrition.

The people living there got royally fucked by corruption under Arraft’s rule.
The area is blockaded by the Israelis.
Hamas don’t seem to be doing anything to help the people either.

Your idea of “slight hardships” is pretty different to mine.

I am not going to get into who is to blame because, A) There is no way we are going to agree, and B) It isn’t related to the thread.

Needless to say, there is not a snowball’s fucking chance in hell that I would ever want to live there.

[DarkNinjaa]

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The last resort of a liberal who has lost the argument is to resort to the intimidation tactic of accusing others of xenophobia. It’s a rhetorical tactic that shows your inability to make a reasoned counter argument.

A proven fact that you are obviously too ignorant to get your head around is there is no such thing as “the geographical cure”. If you take a really fucked up person from one part of the world and put them in another it will not fix their bad behavior. They take their bad behavior with them.

ie When the US started deporting immigrant gang bangers from LA back to where their parents brought them from, Latin American countries all of a sudden developed a problem with LA street gangs that they weren’t prepared to deal with.

Immigration into America is not the same as immigration into Europe. You are the one who is full of shit because you are making accusations without knowing what you are talking about. America is the best country in the world to immigrate to. It’s so good here that people from other first world countries (ie Europe)want to move here.

Europe on the other hand isn’t as attractive so it doesn’t get a lot of first world immigrants. What Europe does get is a lot of desperate second and third world immigrants who are fleeing the most god awful places. Up until recently European cities used to be just like Epcot, clean and safe. Now parts of the nice European cities are starting to be like Newark and the trend is they are going to get worse. [/quote]

Wow.

You really are a xenophobe.

Your ‘country’ started the fucking trend of bringing immigrants into its lands. All colours. You seem to have an issue with the other immigrants who are not whites. You said somewhere, if I remember well, that you’re a descendant of immigrants. What makes you better than the rest? Your colour? Why did your grand- parents came to the UK? Escaping harsh conditions, looking for a better life, asked to join the workforce the UK so desperately needed in the 50s? Any of these reasons? What is the difference with the other immigrants?

I just don’t get the fucking hypocrisy with some Brits or French people. Remember, you had colonies in those third world hell holes. You pillaged, stole their natural resources to build up your economy in the UK, you took advantage of their ‘goods’. Now those people from old colonies just want to take advantage of the opportunities your country offer. What’s the harm in that, uh?

And as for second or third world hell holes, chucks let’s talk about Afghans, or Iraqis. Didn’t use to see a massive flux of these nationalities before the ‘war’ uh? Those people somehow feel justified to come over your land and feel safe.

The fact that your government has been unable to control immigration for more than a decade has nothing to do with the immigrants. They jumped on the fact that you were/are so politically correct and so laxed with your borders. Stop putting the blame on them.

Oh by the way, UK gets immigrants from Eastern Europe too. On a very large numbers. I don’t see anywhere in your posts complaining about them.

[SexMachine]

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
A mall AND a water park!!! Fuck me man, I am moving to Gaza!!! Guess I had better start looking into moving there now so I can get a head start on the huge throng of people that are queuing up for a house there, right?

I will get my news from somewhere other than the BBC when you stop getting your news from Fox.[/quote]

I seldom get news from “Fox.”

You were comparing Gaza to North Korea where people eat bark to survive, which is absurd.

The arabs who occupy Judea have no comparable hardship, with plentiful food, goods, and services. Even free electricity and the best medical care in the world. Almost every household has cable TV, air conditioning, and an auto.

The slight hardships they face are caused by the fact they refuse to agree to let Israel exist, and so lob missle at school children.[/quote]

70% living below the poverty line.
17.5% of toddlers suffering from malnutrition.

The people living there got royally fucked by corruption under Arraft’s rule.
The area is blockaded by the Israelis.
Hamas don’t seem to be doing anything to help the people either.

Your idea of “slight hardships” is pretty different to mine.

I am not going to get into who is to blame because, A) There is no way we are going to agree, and B) It isn’t related to the thread.

Needless to say, there is not a snowball’s fucking chance in hell that I would ever want to live there. [/quote]

You made a comparison between conditions in North Korea and those in Gaza. Attached is a photo from May this year of starving children in North Korea. No one is starving in Gaza. The conditions are not in any way comparable. In addition, your comment was, in effect, comparing the Israeli government with the government of North Korea. A completely delusional comparison by any reasonable standard.

[DarkNinjaa]

[quote]Sifu wrote:
It is no longer just the lazy bastards who are on the dole. For many years now the majority of new jobs that have been created in Britain have been taken by foreigners. The wage structure has been deflated. Even people with college degrees or job skills are having a hard time. [/quote]

And whose fault is that? The third world hell holes fuckers or the European Union maybe?

The foreigners are willing to work a little bit harder than the Brits. Not their faults some Brits are lazy.

Also as example, if some Brits plumbers, carpenters or builders were not acting so cowboyish in their job, I’m sure people wouldn’t turn to the Polish, who are actually the most hardworking people I ever met.

[DarkNinjaa]

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
This is a quote from a Daily Mail article I read;

“Every firm in the land knows that an East European â?? for instance â?? will, first, bother to turn up; second, work harder; and third, be better-educated than his or her British counterpart.Who do we blame for this state of affairs?”

People who arrive in a country and are willing to work cannot be blamed for looking for employment.

[/quote]

Yes.

[krebcycle]

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[

Also as example, if some Brits plumbers, carpenters or builders were not acting so cowboyish in their job, I’m sure people wouldn’t turn to the Polish, who are actually the most hardworking people I ever met.

[/quote]

I agree with most of what you have written, but this statement is false and actually offensive. Many people I have grown up with as well as many family members work in trades.
People are hiring the foreign tradesmen because they are a lot cheaper, not because they offer a higher quality of service. In fact one family member has lost count of the number of times they are hired to correct work that has been carried out by Eastern European workers.
That same family member is very close to going out of business because eastern european firms are hugely undercutting their competition. The vast majority of tradesmen are not ‘cowboys’ and I would say there are just as many if not more, eastern european ‘cowboys’ then there are British, or Irish.
People turn to the Polish (it’s not just Polish) because, most people are greedy and want to pay as little as possible. They often end up with sub standard work, and end of paying again to get it fixed.
I don’t want this to sound like I have a grudge against Eastern European people, because i don’t, but the argument that Eastern Europeans are superior workers is a massive generalisation, for example the majority of alcoholics and drug addicts that hang around the streets in my local area are Polish.

[spiderman739]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
A mall AND a water park!!! Fuck me man, I am moving to Gaza!!! Guess I had better start looking into moving there now so I can get a head start on the huge throng of people that are queuing up for a house there, right?

I will get my news from somewhere other than the BBC when you stop getting your news from Fox.[/quote]

I seldom get news from “Fox.”

You were comparing Gaza to North Korea where people eat bark to survive, which is absurd.

The arabs who occupy Judea have no comparable hardship, with plentiful food, goods, and services. Even free electricity and the best medical care in the world. Almost every household has cable TV, air conditioning, and an auto.

The slight hardships they face are caused by the fact they refuse to agree to let Israel exist, and so lob missle at school children.[/quote]

70% living below the poverty line.
17.5% of toddlers suffering from malnutrition.

The people living there got royally fucked by corruption under Arraft’s rule.
The area is blockaded by the Israelis.
Hamas don’t seem to be doing anything to help the people either.

Your idea of “slight hardships” is pretty different to mine.

I am not going to get into who is to blame because, A) There is no way we are going to agree, and B) It isn’t related to the thread.

Needless to say, there is not a snowball’s fucking chance in hell that I would ever want to live there. [/quote]

You made a comparison between conditions in North Korea and those in Gaza. Attached is a photo from May this year of starving children in North Korea. No one is starving in Gaza. The conditions are not in any way comparable. In addition, your comment was, in effect, comparing the Israeli government with the government of North Korea. A completely delusional comparison by any reasonable standard.[/quote]

I told you in another thread that I have no wish to engage you in any way, shape of form.

Fuck off.

[DarkNinjaa]

[quote]krebcycle wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[

Also as example, if some Brits plumbers, carpenters or builders were not acting so cowboyish in their job, I’m sure people wouldn’t turn to the Polish, who are actually the most hardworking people I ever met.

[/quote]

I agree with most of what you have written, but this statement is false and actually offensive. Many people I have grown up with as well as many family members work in trades.
People are hiring the foreign tradesmen because they are a lot cheaper, not because they offer a higher quality of service. In fact one family member has lost count of the number of times they are hired to correct work that has been carried out by Eastern European workers.
That same family member is very close to going out of business because eastern european firms are hugely undercutting their competition. The vast majority of tradesmen are not ‘cowboys’ and I would say there are just as many if not more, eastern european ‘cowboys’ then there are British, or Irish.
People turn to the Polish (it’s not just Polish) because, most people are greedy and want to pay as little as possible. They often end up with sub standard work, and end of paying again to get it fixed.
I don’t want this to sound like I have a grudge against Eastern European people, because i don’t, but the argument that Eastern Europeans are superior workers is a massive generalisation, for example the majority of alcoholics and drug addicts that hang around the streets in my local area are Polish.[/quote]

First of all, my apologies if I’ve offended you.

Secondly, I agree that all Brits tradesmen are not cowboys and this is why I used ‘some’.

Yes, Polish tradesmen are generally cheap but there are some who offer a better quality of work than the Brits. As you said, you get bad apples in either nationalities.

But in my own experience and what I’d seen, not only in trades land but in other areas, the Poles work harder than any Brit I ever seen.

[g_dgrim]

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]Sifu wrote:
The last resort of a liberal who has lost the argument is to resort to the intimidation tactic of accusing others of xenophobia. It’s a rhetorical tactic that shows your inability to make a reasoned counter argument.

A proven fact that you are obviously too ignorant to get your head around is there is no such thing as “the geographical cure”. If you take a really fucked up person from one part of the world and put them in another it will not fix their bad behavior. They take their bad behavior with them.

ie When the US started deporting immigrant gang bangers from LA back to where their parents brought them from, Latin American countries all of a sudden developed a problem with LA street gangs that they weren’t prepared to deal with.

Immigration into America is not the same as immigration into Europe. You are the one who is full of shit because you are making accusations without knowing what you are talking about. America is the best country in the world to immigrate to. It’s so good here that people from other first world countries (ie Europe)want to move here.

Europe on the other hand isn’t as attractive so it doesn’t get a lot of first world immigrants. What Europe does get is a lot of desperate second and third world immigrants who are fleeing the most god awful places. Up until recently European cities used to be just like Epcot, clean and safe. Now parts of the nice European cities are starting to be like Newark and the trend is they are going to get worse. [/quote]

Wow.

You really are a xenophobe.

Your ‘country’ started the fucking trend of bringing immigrants into its lands. All colours. You seem to have an issue with the other immigrants who are not whites. You said somewhere, if I remember well, that you’re a descendant of immigrants. What makes you better than the rest? Your colour? Why did your grand- parents came to the UK? Escaping harsh conditions, looking for a better life, asked to join the workforce the UK so desperately needed in the 50s? Any of these reasons? What is the difference with the other immigrants?

I just don’t get the fucking hypocrisy with some Brits or French people. Remember, you had colonies in those third world hell holes. You pillaged, stole their natural resources to build up your economy in the UK, you took advantage of their ‘goods’. Now those people from old colonies just want to take advantage of the opportunities your country offer. What’s the harm in that, uh?

And as for second or third world hell holes, chucks let’s talk about Afghans, or Iraqis. Didn’t use to see a massive flux of these nationalities before the ‘war’ uh? Those people somehow feel justified to come over your land and feel safe.

The fact that your government has been unable to control immigration for more than a decade has nothing to do with the immigrants. They jumped on the fact that you were/are so politically correct and so laxed with your borders. Stop putting the blame on them.

Oh by the way, UK gets immigrants from Eastern Europe too. On a very large numbers. I don’t see anywhere in your posts complaining about them.
[/quote]

It is much less stressful for the original population to get used to immigrants from similar culture than from very different one… In theory, east-Europeans are the perfect migrants for UK. Of course you have bunch of lazy drunkards / criminals among them as well.

Anyway I agree with you that the blame goes on the government. People are just exploiting the flaws of the system. If you don’t like it, next time vote for a lesser dumb asses. And if most of the people like it, you have no other choice than to emigrate.

[rugggby]

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]krebcycle wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[

Also as example, if some Brits plumbers, carpenters or builders were not acting so cowboyish in their job, I’m sure people wouldn’t turn to the Polish, who are actually the most hardworking people I ever met.

[/quote]

Do you work in the building trade?

I do. Yeah SOME work hard, but the ones i have worked with, have ever worked any harder than me. From what I’ve seen, they also like a drink and will miss at least one day of work a week due to a heavy nights session.

This is just what i experienced though… and their quality is shit. Theyre cowboys.

I agree with most of what you have written, but this statement is false and actually offensive. Many people I have grown up with as well as many family members work in trades.
People are hiring the foreign tradesmen because they are a lot cheaper, not because they offer a higher quality of service. In fact one family member has lost count of the number of times they are hired to correct work that has been carried out by Eastern European workers.
That same family member is very close to going out of business because eastern european firms are hugely undercutting their competition. The vast majority of tradesmen are not ‘cowboys’ and I would say there are just as many if not more, eastern european ‘cowboys’ then there are British, or Irish.
People turn to the Polish (it’s not just Polish) because, most people are greedy and want to pay as little as possible. They often end up with sub standard work, and end of paying again to get it fixed.
I don’t want this to sound like I have a grudge against Eastern European people, because i don’t, but the argument that Eastern Europeans are superior workers is a massive generalisation, for example the majority of alcoholics and drug addicts that hang around the streets in my local area are Polish.[/quote]

First of all, my apologies if I’ve offended you.

Secondly, I agree that all Brits tradesmen are not cowboys and this is why I used ‘some’.

Yes, Polish tradesmen are generally cheap but there are some who offer a better quality of work than the Brits. As you said, you get bad apples in either nationalities.

But in my own experience and what I’d seen, not only in trades land but in other areas, the Poles work harder than any Brit I ever seen.[/quote]

[rugggby]

[quote]rugggby wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:

[quote]krebcycle wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[

Also as example, if some Brits plumbers, carpenters or builders were not acting so cowboyish in their job, I’m sure people wouldn’t turn to the Polish, who are actually the most hardworking people I ever met.

[/quote]

I agree with most of what you have written, but this statement is false and actually offensive. Many people I have grown up with as well as many family members work in trades.
People are hiring the foreign tradesmen because they are a lot cheaper, not because they offer a higher quality of service. In fact one family member has lost count of the number of times they are hired to correct work that has been carried out by Eastern European workers.
That same family member is very close to going out of business because eastern european firms are hugely undercutting their competition. The vast majority of tradesmen are not ‘cowboys’ and I would say there are just as many if not more, eastern european ‘cowboys’ then there are British, or Irish.
People turn to the Polish (it’s not just Polish) because, most people are greedy and want to pay as little as possible. They often end up with sub standard work, and end of paying again to get it fixed.
I don’t want this to sound like I have a grudge against Eastern European people, because i don’t, but the argument that Eastern Europeans are superior workers is a massive generalisation, for example the majority of alcoholics and drug addicts that hang around the streets in my local area are Polish.[/quote]

First of all, my apologies if I’ve offended you.

Secondly, I agree that all Brits tradesmen are not cowboys and this is why I used ‘some’.

Yes, Polish tradesmen are generally cheap but there are some who offer a better quality of work than the Brits. As you said, you get bad apples in either nationalities.

But in my own experience and what I’d seen, not only in trades land but in other areas, the Poles work harder than any Brit I ever seen.[/quote]
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Do you work in the building trade?

I do. Yeah SOME work hard, but the ones i have worked with, have ever worked any harder than me. From what I’ve seen, they also like a drink and will miss at least one day of work a week due to a heavy nights session.

This is just what i experienced though… and their quality is shit. Theyre cowboys.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
A mall AND a water park!!! Fuck me man, I am moving to Gaza!!! Guess I had better start looking into moving there now so I can get a head start on the huge throng of people that are queuing up for a house there, right?

I will get my news from somewhere other than the BBC when you stop getting your news from Fox.[/quote]

I seldom get news from “Fox.”

You were comparing Gaza to North Korea where people eat bark to survive, which is absurd.

The arabs who occupy Judea have no comparable hardship, with plentiful food, goods, and services. Even free electricity and the best medical care in the world. Almost every household has cable TV, air conditioning, and an auto.

The slight hardships they face are caused by the fact they refuse to agree to let Israel exist, and so lob missle at school children.[/quote]

70% living below the poverty line.
17.5% of toddlers suffering from malnutrition.

The people living there got royally fucked by corruption under Arraft’s rule.
The area is blockaded by the Israelis.
Hamas don’t seem to be doing anything to help the people either.

Your idea of “slight hardships” is pretty different to mine.

I am not going to get into who is to blame because, A) There is no way we are going to agree, and B) It isn’t related to the thread.

Needless to say, there is not a snowball’s fucking chance in hell that I would ever want to live there. [/quote]

You made a comparison between conditions in North Korea and those in Gaza. Attached is a photo from May this year of starving children in North Korea. No one is starving in Gaza. The conditions are not in any way comparable. In addition, your comment was, in effect, comparing the Israeli government with the government of North Korea. A completely delusional comparison by any reasonable standard.[/quote]

I told you in another thread that I have no wish to engage you in any way, shape of form.

Fuck off.[/quote]

I don’t recall who you are fella but if you’ve already told me to ‘fuck off’ then I must’ve already told you to ‘fuck off’, so what part of ‘fuck off’ don’t you understand?