Livestream Debate Between Danny Bossa and Viking Alternative Medicine

He is quite funny isnt he.

It came from Jay Campbell, a true nutcase.

AI is GREAT for some people, who cant tolerate high doses due to aromatization, so now they have 2 options:

  1. Stay on very very low dosages of testosterone, to not convert alot to e2.
  2. Use a good amount of testosterone, use AI to control the estrogen, to feel great.

2 is obviously the best option.

This ā€œanti aiā€ nonsense is just that, nonsense, backed up with zero studies. The only studies they have done include redicilous shit like 7mg a week, or some redicilous testosterone protocol like ā€œtestogel + 1mg of arimixedā€ … lol.

This is how little you know. It came from Neal Rouzier who taught Jay Campbell. Everyone seems to know this but you.

Two articles posted above your comment, but you didn’t read them. Being illiterate must suck.

You boast academic accomplishments yet you can barely spell. I don’t believe you finished high school. Nobody in their right mind would allow you to graduate with this level of spelling.

If you’re going to insult someone’s intellect, at least use autocorrect. Even grade 4 grammar would be a nice touch.

Nobody I know needs the two options above. The difference is they have the intellect to get dialed in. You don’t, which means you need an AI. Considering the effect it has on the brain, this explains a lot.

You know best though. Start a YouTube channel and do some lectures on the subject. Bring on some guests. Show us how it’s done. I’d love to watch you teach this stuff. Let me know when the first vid gets posted.

Happy thanksgiving everyone! :joy:

Keep in mind a lot (if not all) of the side effects listed for Anastrozole are from low estrogen not the drug itself. It’s typically used as s cancer treatment for women at much higher doses.

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I have over 50 papers demonstrating it being toxic.

sola dosis facit venenum - The dose makes the poison - @Paracelsus :sunglasses:

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You can delude yourself all you want and keep taking that AI if you’d like. If you are not a woman with cancer, you should not be taking this stuff. If you want to reduce endothelial function (which would make you a moron) then please take your AI.

Here are three more. I’ve got fifty more. But people here have confirmation bias and dismiss all evidence so keep taking that AI.

ā€œAromatase Inhibitors and the Risk of Cardiovascular Outcomes in Women With Breast Cancer | Circulationā€ https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.119.044750

ā€œAromatase Inhibitors Linked to Reduced Endothelial Function : Oncology Timesā€ https://journals.lww.com/oncology-times/fulltext/2017/02101/aromatase_inhibitors_linked_to_reduced_endothelial.4.aspx

ā€œVascular function in breast cancer survivors on aromatase inhibitors: a pilot studyā€ Vascular function in breast cancer survivors on aromatase inhibitors: a pilot study - PMC

Are any of these studies at low doses Danny?

This whole debate is very worrying for me as I’m starting to think I need one.

I’m getting bad gyno on a relatively small dose. With high SHBG I could do with upping the dose but don’t want to grow tits even worse!

First of all Anastrozole is not good for Gyno. What exactly do you consider Gyno? Tenderness or an itchy nipple is not it.

Imagine someone gives you rat poison. They tell you, it doesn’t do TOO much damage at a low dose. Why would you take any of it at all? So you just want to take a little bit of a toxic substance? Why?

Watch this video I did. The whole time I was on an AI my gyno was just as bad. As soon as I stopped and started to raise my testosterone dose, it started going away. Optimal levels of both testosterone and estradiol will have a favorable impact on gyno. Men taking exogenous estradiol don’t get gyno. Insulin resistance is a huge cause of gyno.

Watch this and ask me if I would take an AI now?? So my gyno comes back? The acne is all gone also.

Well, for a long time, D-Con a popular rat poison’s active ingredient was Warfarin which is also a prescribed blood thinner.

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I’m growing tits. You can see them through my coat. Estrogen is at upper portion of normal range. Large lumpy masses- completely different shape to my chest.

To be fair I don’t want to get drawn into this heated debate as all I’m trying to do is get educated on the matter. I dont have an opinion about it at all yet- however I do want to know if any studies have been done at low doses.

All drugs are toxic at higher levels- paracetamol/aspirin come to mind.

Ladies taking 7mg vs a 1/8mg is a factor of 42 difference. Thats difference between a small glass of red wine and drinking 15 bottles if you think about alcohol.

I’m watching some of you guys debating this in circles and trying to work out if anyone has all the information- I don’t want to do anything thats going to harm me- but the information as an outside observer of this debate seems blurred.

I also don’t want DD bras for Christmas :sweat_smile:

Edit factor of 56 7x8 is 56. Knew I should have learned my tables better

Danny you mention insulin resistance- I’m high SHBG, one of the identifying factors of insulin resistance is low SHBG.

Everyone is physically different. I accept raising T in yourself fixed your gyno. For me it seems to be exasperating the issue. I’m not 100 sure its E2 in me yet though- I need more blood work etc. An AI will be last resort. If raising T was the solution to everyones gyno, then gyno wouldnt be an observed side effect of test only steroid cycles.

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Have you tried Nolvadex?
Might be worh having a doc check to confirm the diagnosis. There is such a thing as male breast cancer.

You may want to start thinking about having it removed.

@wolf359 I 'm currently at 10mg per day. If anything I think Tamoxifen is making it worse- I’m wondering if Tamoxifen is keeping my FSH going and compounding the issue. Im doing more bloods soon, could be prolactin.

Anastrozole isn’t rat poison. It’s already been said, super high doses of many otherwise harmless compounds makes them ā€˜toxic’ to us. Relating that to rat poison just isn’t apples to apples.

Also, plenty of drugs started as one thing but are now used for many others.

Cialis and viagra are the first to come to mind. Boners were a side effect, not the primary effect.

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With me and many guys I know the pump shrinks a bit but remained painful to the touch. That all resolved once we stopped taking it.

Then take it. Guzzle them down. A simple google search of ā€˜aromatase inhibitor toxicity’ would make any logical person avoid it like the plague. But yeah, sure, gobble those suckers down like candies. By all means.

What do cycles have to do with men on TRT? Were not doing cycles. Raising testosterone to cycle levels will elicit side effects no matter what. Stick to the topic.