Literary Discussions AKA T-Nation Book Club

[quote]Mah-lur wrote:
sands wrote:
I think I must have missed something, but can anyone explain why Dan Brown is so popular? I’ve read Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons and Digital Fortress but to me they just seem like your average mystery/thriller books.

They are.[/quote]

Indeed. However, many “average” mystery/thrillers can exhibit quite accomplished writing. Dan Brown is one of the worst writers I have ever encountered. Here is a randomly selected passage from Angels and Demons:

On a busy European street, the killer serpentined through a crowd. He was a powerful man. Dark and potent. Deceptively agile. His muscles still felt hard from the thrill of his meeting. It went well, he told himself. Although his employer had never revealed his face, the killer felt honored to be in his presence.

That’s pathetic.

Here’s a good post on Dan Brown’s writing:


THE DAN BROWN CODE

Approximately three people still haven’t read Dan Brown’s The Da Vinci Code: Mark Liberman, David Lupher, and reportedly at least one other person (as yet unidentified).*

Regrettably, neither Barbara nor I are able to claim that the third non-reader is one of us. What can I say by way of excuse for this? I found the book was on sale really cheap in CostCo when we were about to leave on a trip to Europe. I bought it for the long, long flights that lay ahead of us, without knowing much about it except that it was supposed to be an intellectual mystery with cryptography and symbology and stuff and the blurbs said it was great. I didn’t open it, I just grabbed one off a pallet of about 500 copies. Barbara was between mysteries at the time, so she grabbed it from me and rapidly read it over the next couple of days before we even left for the airport. I asked hopefully what it was like. She scowled and said something about the Hardy Boys. My heart sank; I understood her to mean it was pathetic but possibly of interest to the 11-year-old market. By the time we were on our plane she had made sure that her flight bag contained a new novel by Menking Hannell, and over southern Oregon she told me it was great as usual. Unfortunately I had no better idea of what to do with my time, so I opened The Da Vinci Code.

I am still trying to come up with a fully convincing account of just what it was about his very first sentence, indeed the very first word, that told me instantly that I was in for a very bad time stylistically.

The Da Vinci Code may well be the only novel ever written that begins with the word renowned. Here is the paragraph with which the book opens. The scene (says a dateline under the chapter heading, ‘Prologue’) is the Louvre, late at night:

Renowned curator Jacques Sauniere staggered through the vaulted archway of the museum’s Grand Gallery. He lunged for the nearest painting he could see, a Caravaggio. Grabbing the gilded frame, the seventy-six-year-old man heaved the masterpiece toward himself until it tore from the wall and Sauniere collapsed backward in a heap beneath the canvas.

I think what enabled the first word to tip me off that I was about to spend a number of hours in the company of one of the worst prose stylists in the history of literature was this. Putting curriculum vitae details into complex modifiers on proper names or definite descriptions is what you do in journalistic stories about deaths; you just don’t do it in describing an event in a narrative. So this might be reasonable text for the opening of a newspaper report the next day:

Renowned curator Jacques Sauniere died last night in the Louvre at the age of 76.

But Brown packs such details into the first two words of an action sequence �?? details of not only his protagonist’s profession but also his prestige in the field. It doesn’t work here. It has the ring of utter ineptitude. The details have no relevance, of course, to what is being narrated (Sauniere is fleeing an attacker and pulls down the painting to trigger the alarm system and the security gates). We could have deduced that he would be fairly well known in the museum trade from the fact that he was curating at the Louvre.

The writing goes on in similar vein, committing style and word choice blunders in almost every paragraph (sometimes every line). Look at the phrase “the seventy-six-year-old man”. It’s a complete let-down: we knew he was a man �?? the anaphoric pronoun “he” had just been used to refer to him. (This is perhaps where “curator” could have been slipped in for the first time, without “renowned”, if the passage were rewritten.) Look at “heaved the masterpiece toward himself until it tore from the wall and Sauniere collapsed backward in a heap beneath the canvas.” We don’t need to know it’s a masterpiece (it’s a Caravaggio hanging in the Louvre, that should be enough in the way of credentials, for heaven’s sake). Surely “toward him” feels better than “toward himself” (though I guess both are grammatical here). Surely “tore from the wall” should be “tore away from the wall”. Surely a single man can’t fall into a heap (there’s only him, that’s not a heap). And why repeat the name “Sauniere” here instead of the pronoun “he”? Who else is around? (Caravaggio hasn’t been mentioned; “a Caravaggio” uses the name as an attributive modifier with conventionally elided head noun “painting”. That isn’t a mention of the man.)

Well, actually, there is someone else around, but we only learn that three paragraphs down, after “a thundering iron gate” has fallen (by the way, it’s the fall that makes a thundering noise: there’s no such thing as a thundering gate). “The curator” (his profession is now named a second time in case you missed it) “…crawled out from under the canvas and scanned the cavernous space for someplace to hide” (the colloquial American “someplace” seems very odd here as compared with standard “somewhere”). Then:

[i]A voice spoke, chillingly close. “Do not move.”

On his hands and knees, the curator froze, turning his head slowly.

Only fifteen feet away, outside the sealed gate, the mountainous silhouette of his attacker stared through the iron bars. He was broad and tall, with ghost-pale skin and thinning white hair. His irises were pink with dark red pupils.[/i]

Just count the infelicities here. A voice doesn’t speak - a person speaks; a voice is what a person speaks with. “Chillingly close” would be right in your ear, whereas this voice is fifteen feet away behind the thundering gate. The curator (do we really need to be told his profession a third time?) cannot slowly turn his head if he has frozen; freezing (as a voluntary human action) means temporarily ceasing all muscular movements. And crucially, a silhouette does not stare! A silhouette is a shadow. If Sauniere can see the man’s pale skin, thinning hair, iris color, and red pupils (all at fifteen feet), the man cannot possibly be in silhouette.

Brown’s writing is not just bad; it is staggeringly, clumsily, thoughtlessly, almost ingeniously bad. In some passages scarcely a word or phrase seems to have been carefully selected or compared with alternatives. I slogged through 454 pages of this syntactic swill, and it never gets much better. Why did I keep reading? Because London Heathrow is a long way from San Francisco International, and airline magazines are thin, and two-month-old Hollywood drivel on a small screen hanging two seats in front of my row did not appeal, that’s why. And why did I keep the book instead of dropping it into a Heathrow trash bin? Because it seemed to me to be such a fund of lessons in how not to write.

I don’t think I’d want to say these things about a first-time novelist, it would seem a cruel blow to a budding career. But Dan Brown is all over the best-seller lists now. In paperback and hardback, and in many languages, he is a phenomenon. He is up there with the Stephen Kings and the John Grishams and nothing I say can conceivably harm him. He is a huge, blockbuster, worldwide success who can go anywhere he wants and need never work again. And he writes like the kind of freshman student who makes you want to give up the whole idea of teaching. Never mind the ridiculous plot and the stupid anagrams and puzzle clues as the book proceeds, this is a terrible, terrible example of the thriller-writer’s craft.

Which brings us to the question of the blurbs. “Dan Brown has to be one of the best, smartest, and most accomplished writers in the country,” said Nelson DeMille, a bestselling author who has himself hit the #1 spot in the New York Times list. Unbelievable mendacity. And there are four other similar pieces of praise on the back cover. Together those blurbs convinced me to put this piece of garbage on the CostCo cart along with the the 72-pack of toilet rolls. Thriller writers must have a code of honor that requires that they all praise each other’s new novels, a kind of omerta that enjoins them to silence about the fact that some fellow member of the guild has given evidence of total stylistic cluelessness. A fraternal code of silence. We could call it… the Da Vinci code; or the Dan Brown code.

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000844.html

[quote]Himora22 wrote:
I read a lot of Star Wars books, just got finished the last book of the Legacy of the Force series Invincible. Great book and great series. After that I Blazed through Angels and Demons, great book I thought it was much better than the Da Vinci Code.

Inbetween books right now, I usualy like to read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings about oce a year. Thats about it for now =)[/quote]

Are all of the Legacy of the Force books by Troy Denning? I am half way through his Dark Nest trilogy, and am very pleased with his writing so far. I also really enjoyed the Timothy Zhan Star Wars books as well.

If you like The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, then I highly recomend The Silmarilion. This book is the creation story of Middle Earth, and chronicles the wars/conflicts/characters of the First Age, and goes into the history of Numenor and the Second Age. Indeed, the first few chapters of The Silmarilion are rather a combination of the book of Genesis, Greak and Norse mythology. The Unfinished Tales is also good reading for any Tolkien fan.

I did attempt to read Angels and Demons a few years back. I remember reading about 100 pages of it, then got very disgusted with it and put it down. I have not touched it, or any books like it since. I may have to look back at it though, as memory is a bit shoddy as to why I droped it.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I just finished Finders Keepers by Mark Bowden. True story about a guy in Philly that found 1.2 million when it fell off the back of an armored car. [/quote]

WOW!!! I guess you do get lucky sometimes. I will have to look into that one.

[quote]Vash wrote:
Finishing off Book 7 in the Dark Tower Cycle.

Have a copy of Godel, Escher, Bah; an Eternal Golden Braid. I tried to read it, got 82 pages in, read the same idea being presented in almost the exact same way, put it down.

After The Dark Tower, hell, I don’t know. The Gunslinger was one of the first 10 books I ever read, so it’s the end of a very long era for me.[/quote]

I share your feeling. I was almost sad to see the story end, as it had been playing out for so long. Of the 7 books, I think the best were The Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger and The Dark Tower IV: Wizard and Glass. I think its because they delved so deeply into Roland’s past, and help give the Gunslinger very true and deep character, rather than just being the “Man with no Name.” I think you would like The Talisman and Black House. Both are King novels and are very connected to the Dark Tower series.

[quote]Tristram wrote:

If you like The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, then I highly recomend The Silmarilion. This book is the creation story of Middle Earth, and chronicles the wars/conflicts/characters of the First Age, and goes into the history of Numenor and the Second Age. Indeed, the first few chapters of The Silmarilion are rather a combination of the book of Genesis, Greak and Norse mythology. The Unfinished Tales is also good reading for any Tolkien fan.
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Tristam, 200 years from now Tolkien may well be read as scripture. Okay, maybe I exaggerate. But damn he’s good imo. What did you think of “The Children of Hurin” - I haven’t read it yet.

[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Currently reading the “Witching Hour” by Anne Rice. I’m not really digging it but my gf is a huge Anne Rice fan so I’ll least read it 1/2 way through.

I really like the Wheel of Time series even though Robert Jordan really started losing focus, never responded to my inquiries of autographing my books, and died before completing the series.

I absolutely hate the Lord of the Rings and can’t fathom how you guys can read that once a year. Why would you punish yourselves. See the movie Clerks 2 for a good summary of the series.

Favorite authors would probably be between Clive Cussler and James Clavell. I’m a big Dirk Pitt fan and I love Clavell’s asian series with Shogun and Taipan being my favorites.[/quote]

Isn’t Anne Rice the author of An Interview with a Vampire, and that series of books? I keep reminding myself to read those and other books by her, but always get distracted.

Tolkien’s work is by no means punishment. I find that his writing is simply the best fiction that I have ever read. The main reason that many of us read his books so many times is that they are very complexe, and you tend to pick up new details and other tid bits with each reading. I have read The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarilion about 5-6 times each, and The Hobbit around 3-4 times. I will have to check out Clerks 2 then, and see how accurate this “summary” really is.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Tristram wrote:

If you like The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit, then I highly recomend The Silmarilion. This book is the creation story of Middle Earth, and chronicles the wars/conflicts/characters of the First Age, and goes into the history of Numenor and the Second Age. Indeed, the first few chapters of The Silmarilion are rather a combination of the book of Genesis, Greak and Norse mythology. The Unfinished Tales is also good reading for any Tolkien fan.

Tristam, 200 years from now Tolkien may well be read as scripture. Okay, maybe I exaggerate. But damn he’s good imo. What did you think of “The Children of Hurin” - I haven’t read it yet. [/quote]

I have read bits and pieces of The Children of Hurin. It is simply a collection of stories about the events concerning Hurin’s family immediately following the battle of unnumbered tears. Basically, parts of the story are taken from The Silmarilion, The Lost Tales, and The Unfinnished Tales, and made into one book. It specifically follows Turin, Hurin’s son, and his quest to destroy the first dragon created by Morgoth. I also think that it is one of the best epic tragedies written.

Now, all of that said, I have only read excerpts from it, not the whole book. To my knowledge, there is no new material to be presented in it, but I think it would be a very good read none the less. If for no other reason than to have the story flow from beggining to end in one volume. I do believe that I will read it at some point in the future. I also want it just to add it to my collection of Tolkien novels.

Have you ever read a book called Morgoths Ring? I have been looking for it for quite some time now, and am seeking opinions on it. It was apparently published only once in 1992 or 1993, can’t remember exactly, and only as a hard back.

[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
sands wrote:
I think I must have missed something, but can anyone explain why Dan Brown is so popular? I’ve read Da Vinci Code, Angels and Demons and Digital Fortress but to me they just seem like your average mystery/thriller books.

They are.

Indeed. However, many “average” mystery/thrillers can exhibit quite accomplished writing. Dan Brown is one of the worst writers I have ever encountered. Here is a randomly selected passage from Angels and Demons:

On a busy European street, the killer serpentined through a crowd. He was a powerful man. Dark and potent. Deceptively agile. His muscles still felt hard from the thrill of his meeting. It went well, he told himself. Although his employer had never revealed his face, the killer felt honored to be in his presence.

That’s pathetic.

Here’s a good post on Dan Brown’s writing:


THE DAN BROWN CODE

Approximately three people still haven’t read Dan Brown’s The Da Vinci Code: Mark Liberman, David Lupher, and reportedly at least one other person (as yet unidentified).*

Regrettably, neither Barbara nor I are able to claim that the third non-reader is one of us. What can I say by way of excuse for this? I found the book was on sale really cheap in CostCo when we were about to leave on a trip to Europe. I bought it for the long, long flights that lay ahead of us, without knowing much about it except that it was supposed to be an intellectual mystery with cryptography and symbology and stuff and the blurbs said it was great. I didn’t open it, I just grabbed one off a pallet of about 500 copies. Barbara was between mysteries at the time, so she grabbed it from me and rapidly read it over the next couple of days before we even left for the airport. I asked hopefully what it was like. She scowled and said something about the Hardy Boys. My heart sank; I understood her to mean it was pathetic but possibly of interest to the 11-year-old market. By the time we were on our plane she had made sure that her flight bag contained a new novel by Menking Hannell, and over southern Oregon she told me it was great as usual. Unfortunately I had no better idea of what to do with my time, so I opened The Da Vinci Code.

I am still trying to come up with a fully convincing account of just what it was about his very first sentence, indeed the very first word, that told me instantly that I was in for a very bad time stylistically.

The Da Vinci Code may well be the only novel ever written that begins with the word renowned. Here is the paragraph with which the book opens. The scene (says a dateline under the chapter heading, ‘Prologue’) is the Louvre, late at night:

Renowned curator Jacques Sauniere staggered through the vaulted archway of the museum’s Grand Gallery. He lunged for the nearest painting he could see, a Caravaggio. Grabbing the gilded frame, the seventy-six-year-old man heaved the masterpiece toward himself until it tore from the wall and Sauniere collapsed backward in a heap beneath the canvas.

I think what enabled the first word to tip me off that I was about to spend a number of hours in the company of one of the worst prose stylists in the history of literature was this. Putting curriculum vitae details into complex modifiers on proper names or definite descriptions is what you do in journalistic stories about deaths; you just don’t do it in describing an event in a narrative. So this might be reasonable text for the opening of a newspaper report the next day:

Renowned curator Jacques Sauniere died last night in the Louvre at the age of 76.

But Brown packs such details into the first two words of an action sequence �?? details of not only his protagonist’s profession but also his prestige in the field. It doesn’t work here. It has the ring of utter ineptitude. The details have no relevance, of course, to what is being narrated (Sauniere is fleeing an attacker and pulls down the painting to trigger the alarm system and the security gates). We could have deduced that he would be fairly well known in the museum trade from the fact that he was curating at the Louvre.

The writing goes on in similar vein, committing style and word choice blunders in almost every paragraph (sometimes every line). Look at the phrase “the seventy-six-year-old man”. It’s a complete let-down: we knew he was a man �?? the anaphoric pronoun “he” had just been used to refer to him. (This is perhaps where “curator” could have been slipped in for the first time, without “renowned”, if the passage were rewritten.) Look at “heaved the masterpiece toward himself until it tore from the wall and Sauniere collapsed backward in a heap beneath the canvas.” We don’t need to know it’s a masterpiece (it’s a Caravaggio hanging in the Louvre, that should be enough in the way of credentials, for heaven’s sake). Surely “toward him” feels better than “toward himself” (though I guess both are grammatical here). Surely “tore from the wall” should be “tore away from the wall”. Surely a single man can’t fall into a heap (there’s only him, that’s not a heap). And why repeat the name “Sauniere” here instead of the pronoun “he”? Who else is around? (Caravaggio hasn’t been mentioned; “a Caravaggio” uses the name as an attributive modifier with conventionally elided head noun “painting”. That isn’t a mention of the man.)

Well, actually, there is someone else around, but we only learn that three paragraphs down, after “a thundering iron gate” has fallen (by the way, it’s the fall that makes a thundering noise: there’s no such thing as a thundering gate). “The curator” (his profession is now named a second time in case you missed it) “…crawled out from under the canvas and scanned the cavernous space for someplace to hide” (the colloquial American “someplace” seems very odd here as compared with standard “somewhere”). Then:

[i]A voice spoke, chillingly close. “Do not move.”

On his hands and knees, the curator froze, turning his head slowly.

Only fifteen feet away, outside the sealed gate, the mountainous silhouette of his attacker stared through the iron bars. He was broad and tall, with ghost-pale skin and thinning white hair. His irises were pink with dark red pupils.[/i]

Just count the infelicities here. A voice doesn’t speak - a person speaks; a voice is what a person speaks with. “Chillingly close” would be right in your ear, whereas this voice is fifteen feet away behind the thundering gate. The curator (do we really need to be told his profession a third time?) cannot slowly turn his head if he has frozen; freezing (as a voluntary human action) means temporarily ceasing all muscular movements. And crucially, a silhouette does not stare! A silhouette is a shadow. If Sauniere can see the man’s pale skin, thinning hair, iris color, and red pupils (all at fifteen feet), the man cannot possibly be in silhouette.

Brown’s writing is not just bad; it is staggeringly, clumsily, thoughtlessly, almost ingeniously bad. In some passages scarcely a word or phrase seems to have been carefully selected or compared with alternatives. I slogged through 454 pages of this syntactic swill, and it never gets much better. Why did I keep reading? Because London Heathrow is a long way from San Francisco International, and airline magazines are thin, and two-month-old Hollywood drivel on a small screen hanging two seats in front of my row did not appeal, that’s why. And why did I keep the book instead of dropping it into a Heathrow trash bin? Because it seemed to me to be such a fund of lessons in how not to write.

I don’t think I’d want to say these things about a first-time novelist, it would seem a cruel blow to a budding career. But Dan Brown is all over the best-seller lists now. In paperback and hardback, and in many languages, he is a phenomenon. He is up there with the Stephen Kings and the John Grishams and nothing I say can conceivably harm him. He is a huge, blockbuster, worldwide success who can go anywhere he wants and need never work again. And he writes like the kind of freshman student who makes you want to give up the whole idea of teaching. Never mind the ridiculous plot and the stupid anagrams and puzzle clues as the book proceeds, this is a terrible, terrible example of the thriller-writer’s craft.

Which brings us to the question of the blurbs. “Dan Brown has to be one of the best, smartest, and most accomplished writers in the country,” said Nelson DeMille, a bestselling author who has himself hit the #1 spot in the New York Times list. Unbelievable mendacity. And there are four other similar pieces of praise on the back cover. Together those blurbs convinced me to put this piece of garbage on the CostCo cart along with the the 72-pack of toilet rolls. Thriller writers must have a code of honor that requires that they all praise each other’s new novels, a kind of omerta that enjoins them to silence about the fact that some fellow member of the guild has given evidence of total stylistic cluelessness. A fraternal code of silence. We could call it… the Da Vinci code; or the Dan Brown code.

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000844.html

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I have a similar opinion of Dan Brown. I just did not like his writing style very much, or his choice of subject matter, but that has to do with me being a rather devout catholic.

A succinct selection of the best books I have read recently

“Previous Convictions” A. A. Gill

“The Yiddish Policemen’s Union” Michael Chabon

“Waiting for the barbarians” J. M. Coetzee
“The slow man” by the same man

“Ghostwritten” David Mitchell

JM’s novellas, in particular, are masterpieces. Read them. They’re short, and I can’t imagine anyone, regardless of personal taste, disliking them.

A particular suggestion for Tristram- " The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman"

Incidentally… great thread…

[quote]Tristram wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
Are all of the Legacy of the Force books by Troy Denning? I am half way through his Dark Nest trilogy, and am very pleased with his writing so far. I also really enjoyed the Timothy Zhan Star Wars books as well.
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No, only three of them where. There are nine books in the series. Three were written by Karen Traviss and the other three were written by Aaron Allston. It’s a pretty good series though. If you’re a fan of Boba Fett, there’s some pretty interesting stuff about him in the series. I’m on last book myself, but I’m lagging and need to finish it before Himora spoils it for me. :slight_smile:

As for Timothy Zahn, I’m currently reading his Outbound Flight book, and his previous Star Wars novels are excellent.

christoper brookmyre is amazing

ANYTHING by Colin Bateman chould get any Tman turning the pages. hes Northern Irish ad hilerious. the film Divorcing Jack was a book by him and the series Murphys Law was by him also. LEGEND

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
A succinct selection of the best books I have read recently

“Previous Convictions” A. A. Gill

“The Yiddish Policemen’s Union” Michael Chabon

“Waiting for the barbarians” J. M. Coetzee
“The slow man” by the same man

“Ghostwritten” David Mitchell

JM’s novellas, in particular, are masterpieces. Read them. They’re short, and I can’t imagine anyone, regardless of personal taste, disliking them.

A particular suggestion for Tristram- " The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman"

Incidentally… great thread…

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Just did a Wikipedia search for The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentleman and I will definately pick this one up. Thanks for the suggestion.

Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman! is wicked funny. Easy to read and an awesome look into a brilliant mind. Very unorthodox autobiography, if it was even meant to be one.

Anyone read ‘The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon’? I’m having a tough time making it through the book, not because it’s bad, but because not much is happening and I’ve busy as hell lately.

[quote]Tristram wrote:
GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Currently reading the “Witching Hour” by Anne Rice. I’m not really digging it but my gf is a huge Anne Rice fan so I’ll least read it 1/2 way through.

I really like the Wheel of Time series even though Robert Jordan really started losing focus, never responded to my inquiries of autographing my books, and died before completing the series.

I absolutely hate the Lord of the Rings and can’t fathom how you guys can read that once a year. Why would you punish yourselves. See the movie Clerks 2 for a good summary of the series.

Favorite authors would probably be between Clive Cussler and James Clavell. I’m a big Dirk Pitt fan and I love Clavell’s asian series with Shogun and Taipan being my favorites.

Isn’t Anne Rice the author of An Interview with a Vampire, and that series of books? I keep reminding myself to read those and other books by her, but always get distracted.

Tolkien’s work is by no means punishment. I find that his writing is simply the best fiction that I have ever read. The main reason that many of us read his books so many times is that they are very complexe, and you tend to pick up new details and other tid bits with each reading.

I have read The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarilion about 5-6 times each, and The Hobbit around 3-4 times. I will have to check out Clerks 2 then, and see how accurate this “summary” really is.[/quote]

Yes Anne Rice is the Vampire lady. She has a shorter series about this family of witches called the Mayfairs. She writes very well but I’m just not into this book. She wrote “The Mummy” and it was a pretty good quick read.

I just don’t see how you guys can hang on Tolkien’s nuts so hard. I thought his writing was average and the story was terrible. I’m not trying to hate on him just to disagree with people…I genuinely just don’t get it and I love fantasty books.

I don’t remember how long it took me but I think it was around 3 months to finish the books because I’d fall asleep and have to reread every page.

Even though you’re a fan of LOTR, Clerks 2 should make you laugh when they discuss LOTR.

I need to buy the last 3 Dark Tower books so I can finish that series. So far I really enjoy it and have no problem racing through each book. It pisses me off because the small town I am in doesn’t have a decent library.

The University library mainly only houses reference books so I have to go buy all my free reading books. I think my girlfriend drops like 40 bucks each month on free reading books cause she finishes one every 3 nights or so.

We’ve had a few threads on books so it is always good to see folks still reading.

here’s a thread to when we were discussing if there are any new classics.

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=21748

Guy Gavriel Kay is one of my favorite authors

and I like the Douglas Preston/Lincoln Child books

for popular fiction

[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Tristram wrote:
GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
Currently reading the “Witching Hour” by Anne Rice. I’m not really digging it but my gf is a huge Anne Rice fan so I’ll least read it 1/2 way through.

I really like the Wheel of Time series even though Robert Jordan really started losing focus, never responded to my inquiries of autographing my books, and died before completing the series.

I absolutely hate the Lord of the Rings and can’t fathom how you guys can read that once a year. Why would you punish yourselves. See the movie Clerks 2 for a good summary of the series.

Favorite authors would probably be between Clive Cussler and James Clavell. I’m a big Dirk Pitt fan and I love Clavell’s asian series with Shogun and Taipan being my favorites.

Isn’t Anne Rice the author of An Interview with a Vampire, and that series of books? I keep reminding myself to read those and other books by her, but always get distracted.

Tolkien’s work is by no means punishment. I find that his writing is simply the best fiction that I have ever read. The main reason that many of us read his books so many times is that they are very complexe, and you tend to pick up new details and other tid bits with each reading.

I have read The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarilion about 5-6 times each, and The Hobbit around 3-4 times. I will have to check out Clerks 2 then, and see how accurate this “summary” really is.

Yes Anne Rice is the Vampire lady. She has a shorter series about this family of witches called the Mayfairs. She writes very well but I’m just not into this book. She wrote “The Mummy” and it was a pretty good quick read.

I just don’t see how you guys can hang on Tolkien’s nuts so hard. I thought his writing was average and the story was terrible. I’m not trying to hate on him just to disagree with people…I genuinely just don’t get it and I love fantasty books.

I don’t remember how long it took me but I think it was around 3 months to finish the books because I’d fall asleep and have to reread every page.

Even though you’re a fan of LOTR, Clerks 2 should make you laugh when they discuss LOTR.

I need to buy the last 3 Dark Tower books so I can finish that series. So far I really enjoy it and have no problem racing through each book. It pisses me off because the small town I am in doesn’t have a decent library.

The University library mainly only houses reference books so I have to go buy all my free reading books. I think my girlfriend drops like 40 bucks each month on free reading books cause she finishes one every 3 nights or so.[/quote]

I would hardly say I “hang on his nuts” but your point is valid. There really isn’t anything wrong with different taste in books. I will also concede on the time comitment, his books do take some time and effort to read, but I enjoy the challenge. I think I have the same opinion of Dan Brown… I don’t get the appeal that his work has, but to each thier own.

On the Dark Tower subject, you are in for a treat once you get the final 3 books. I was very happy to finally complete the series.

[quote]Tristram wrote:

On the Dark Tower subject, you are in for a treat once you get the final 3 books. I was very happy to finally complete the series. [/quote]

It was like a kick in the guts to finish a cycle I’d started when I was 10 years old, but it was well worth it.

Just consider King’s Afterthought carefully.

[quote]Vash wrote:
Tristram wrote:

On the Dark Tower subject, you are in for a treat once you get the final 3 books. I was very happy to finally complete the series.

It was like a kick in the guts to finish a cycle I’d started when I was 10 years old, but it was well worth it.

Just consider King’s Afterthought carefully.[/quote]

Huh I thought the final 3 were very poor. I cared less and less the more I read. When it came to the end I just didn’t really care at all.

Finished “Fight Club” and “Atlas Shrugged” this summer. I am currently switching between “Gulag - a History” by Anne Applebaum and “The Fountainhead.”

I discovered Rand a little late in life.

Finished “The Artic Grail” by Pierre Berton. It is basically the history of the quest for the North West Passage. Those explorers were tough and stupid.