[quote]Sloth wrote:
Stop pretending you’re concerned with ‘rights.’ Nobody is that stupid. Not when your position murders human lives. The act of abortion removes all rights for the individual human life from that moment on. You support a monstrosity no less despicable than the slave trade. You will be repudiated by our descendants. You will serve as a warning to the horrible acts humanity can rationalize to itself, in history classes. [/quote]
[quote]joebassin wrote:
In fact, being Pro-life is like slavery. All those slaves owners were forcing women to have child because they needed new slaves. They had no respect for women’s rights just like all of you.[/quote]
I respect the men and women who were murdered in the developmental stage of their already existing life. See, it’s you who hates women. You need them to be consequence-less sexual objects. You hate their nature. You hate that human life is tied to your want for casual orgasm. You’ll even support the death of women before they ever had the opportunity to choose for themselves. You’ll watch peoples and cultures grow old and fade away, and still insist you’re on the side of ‘progress.’ You’re a Darwinian dead end, ironically. [/quote]This is EXACTLY right. Sloth ol buddy you may never know how painful it is for me that we cannot commune in Christ, but you are still one of the clearest (and so many times biblical) thinking individuals I have ever met. No sincerer words have ever emerged from the mind of man than what I just said.
You have just encapsulated in a few sentences, not only the essence of the murderous abortionist mindset, but THE carnal bondage that is devouring the western world and especially this country to death. God’s beautiful and glorious life giving gift of intimate marital love, designed to portray Christ’s love for His Church, reduced on one hand to degenerate hedonistic recreation and on the other elevated to the status of thoroughgoing fleshly self worshiping idolatry.
I do know we agree here regardless of our presently insurmountable theological differences.
So do you want to go with this argument? I allow you once to back up and leave this subject here.
I spent a semester in a country where I know abortion is outlawed, at every stage and even every situation, even incest. Abortion is banned across the entire country. If a citizen goes somewhere to have an abortion, they will be pursued with the full extent of the law.
You will fail regardless, especially if you continue the argument you are trying for.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Which countries is it changing in? America is not the most advanced country in the world in terms of how far along the urbanization path it is. Abortion law are not at risk of changing in any of the more advanced countries. If they are changed in the less advanced, I would bet you a fortune that the new laws will be reversed eventually to allow safe abortion practices.[/quote]
Never tried to say the fetus wasn’t alive. That is your claim to fame. Simple high school biology tells me the fetus is alive, at the moment of conception. You have the challenge of proving the fetus is NOT alive.
[quote]ironcross wrote: So you’re just making up some terminology to fit your side of the argument? [/quote] Quote me once where I did this. Can you ever back ANY of the claims you make? Something tells me “No.”
[quote] We are all dependent on each other in some way. [/quote] So were you ever dependent on your mother? [quote] But as it was pointed out earlier, you are not required by law to help someone else, even if it is within your ability to do so. [/quote] Um, yes you are. If you have a child you cannot just leave the child in a park to fend for themselves. You have to go to a specific place so the child has a chance. [quote] A mother is allowed to dump her baby off on another person or even at a random, previously assigned building. [/quote] “Dump her baby?” Reference please? Or are you just building a straw-man? [quote] You are allowed, at any point, to sign away rights to your kids and subject them to a life in the foster-care system. [/quote] That is right. Your point to the discussion? [quote] You’re even allowed to not take care of your grandparents, who might die without your care. [/quote] And the government, who take your taxes, will pay for their care. Glad you treat your parents with such respect. [quote] Yet in any of these situations, if the kid or grandparent dies as a result of your decision, you aren’t held responsible because it’s not your fault that they can’t survive. [/quote] That is called signing off your rights. What happens when the parents have money they never told you about? Do you want the money because it would benefit you? It will never happen, because you signed off your rights. [quote] Once a person signs away their rights to another person, it isn’t their responsibility, even if they are related and have the ability to care for them. [/quote] I have yet to see your point.
[quote] Your argument that the mother is required to support the baby with her body because she can before it’s born and she made the child doesn’t hold in light of her innocence in not caring for the child, if she decides, after it’s born, but before it has the ability to care for itself. [/quote] Does the term â??run on sentenceâ?? mean anything to you? I will try to determine what you are trying to say though. Your point is never new. Where should the fetus go? Where did YOU go while you were a fetus? If she doesn’t want the fetus then she doesn’t have to have sex. There are even different tools to help satisfy her desires. The best part, she can fascinate about the life she would like to have. Don’t bring up innocence describing a woman who helped to create a life and then wants to later, especially when the guy talks her into, killing a defenseless child. Tearing the child literally limb from limb. [quote] What you have is a slippery slope, not a moral grounding. [/quote] You are on the slippery slope. Next you will want to kill your parents because they don’t do anything but use societies’ resources after a certain age. How long before you would like that to happen?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Stop pretending you’re concerned with ‘rights.’ Nobody is that stupid. Not when your position murders human lives. The act of abortion removes all rights for the individual human life from that moment on. You support a monstrosity no less despicable than the slave trade. You will be repudiated by our descendents. You will serve as a warning to the horrible acts humanity can rationalize to itself, in history classes. [/quote]
I take it you’re equally against any warfare that “murders human lives”?
And economic policies which result in people starving?
And any refusal or impediment to treat those who are sick or dying?
If you want to play the “any action that results in a human life ending is murder” card, fine - but be consistent, kay?
I think its funny that the same people who demand that a poor person have a baby are the first to pitch a fit when that poor person has to get (or get more) government assistance to pay for that baby.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
And of the two systems of assistance, one has proven overwhelmingly ineffective despite the most extravagant expenditures of resources in the history of mankind so please forgive the fit pitchers when they utter the Roberto Duran line, “No mas,” and ask to return to the old fashioned EFFECTIVE way.[/quote]
Ok. So find a few likeminded people, get some cash together, find someone on government assistance, and convince them to take the money from you instead of the government.
Think it’ll happen?
You’re probably right that in the past charities were much better funded - but that was also before “Every man for himself” and “Everybody can make it, so if you fail its not MY fucking problem, why should I give you anything?” became acceptable philosophies ---- philosophies you seem to encourage, actually.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So do you want to go with this argument? I allow you once to back up and leave this subject here.
I spent a semester in a country where I know abortion is outlawed, at every stage and even every situation, even incest. Abortion is banned across the entire country. If a citizen goes somewhere to have an abortion, they will be pursued with the full extent of the law.
You will fail regardless, especially if you continue the argument you are trying for.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Which countries is it changing in? America is not the most advanced country in the world in terms of how far along the urbanization path it is. Abortion law are not at risk of changing in any of the more advanced countries. If they are changed in the less advanced, I would bet you a fortune that the new laws will be reversed eventually to allow safe abortion practices.[/quote]
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This country you stayed in was not one of those that was considered the most progressed on earth in terms of urbanization, my friend. I don’t even know which one you stayed in, but I know that much was true.
…“Every man for himself” and “Everybody can make it, so if you fail its not MY fucking problem, why should I give you anything?” became acceptable philosophies ---- philosophies you seem to encourage, actually.[/quote]
Thou knowest not of what ye speaketh in regards to me.[/quote]
It’s always a classic when the outback western hick adds “eth” on the end of every third word to sound more righteous. It’s like the Christian cracker.