Lifestyle Changes Over 2 Years Haven't Helped Low T symptoms, Advice?

This. If your current health stops you from being a strong advocate (EG depression or low energy), involve someone who you trust to come along to appointments with you.

I think a huge thing I have seen is that doctors are trained to jump to conclusions. Symptom X = Treatment Y. They address the symptom without stopping to think what caused the symptom, and that is if you are lucky, often they just brush you off condescendingly as they are “intellectually superior” due to a piece of paper. They went to school to be a mechanic for humans (however, I think mechanics don’t jump to conclusions as often).

Basically my point is I don’t see any root cause analysis done by any doctors. Without doing these exercises (root cause analysis) they will struggle to ever treat you effectively.

I think an interesting change would be if we paid doctors to give us optimal health, rather than paid them to manage disease.

So rather than working for Big Pharma, doctors were paid by the individual, like a personal trainer, and the over arching role of the doctor would be a care co-ordinator, which included guiding you on managing many aspects of life - and who to see for each aspect.

And you’d meet with them once a month, every month. Because money is a good motivator, if the doctor doesn’t keep you fit, you leave & they lose that regular money.

So optimal mental, physical & spiritual health. Feeling very discontent as a teenager? They’d guide you to all kinds of people to improve that & retain their monthly fee etc etc

The thing is, school isn’t a place for smart people.

School is largely rote learning, and very little actual creative problem solving.

Doctors do get paid $300 for prescribing Androgel which is why injectables are always prescribed last rather than first, androgel has a patent in the delivery system. Syringes and vials of testosterone is not patentable.

When I saw my first endo he insisted in Androgel and told me it that Androgel had fail before he could offer anything else, when it did fail he gave me Axiron and I said I want injectables, he no that Axiron treatment had to fail before injectables were offered.

Than sun of a bitch made me suffer so he could make a buck, I will NEVER trust an insurance based doctor again to put my health first.

Tried yesterday, no go. I didn’t actually get to speak to the doc, just the assistant, and they flatly said they don’t take patient lab requests. :frowning:

I’ve seen a doc mentioned here, Dr. Crisler from AllThingsMale, as saying he prefers topical gel above everything else. What is the advantage of injectables besides cost? If insurance pays for it, I’d definitely rather have something topical myself – but can grin and bear it with injectables if not.

There are many who do gels and think it’s better. But not in this forum. I wonder maybe they have less problems and are not on the forums seeking help. You need to research the pros and cons.
I never tried gels went straight to injections.

I will not allow a gel to dictate whether or not I can go lift weights and swim within 4 hours of application or worry about sweating it off losing its effectiveness. However if you sit at work all day and live a sedentary lifestyle if won’t inconvenience one bit.

I would worry about transferring it to kids or a wife, last thing you want is your little boy getting an erection long before puberty. Chances are you won’t absorb enough of it to matter anyways.

This product was designed as pure profit in mind, not about the dangers of transferring it to others. For someone who lifts weight 5 times a week, gels are a nightmare!