Liberals - Worst Sort of Racists

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Since liberals are allegedly much more intelligent than conservatives, isn’t it possible that the current outcome of the welfare state – the illiteracy, the teen pregnancies, a whole host of other maladies, was perpetrated?
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Oh please. Are you stating that liberals are more intelligent or just trying to attack people that don’t believe as you do?

Also, you will have to realize that the issues you talk about are spread across the population. Seriously, can anyone seriously believe teen pregnancies are limited to any particular group?

Oh please, again! You don’t get to make up a shitty option list and then state it actually has to be any of them. The entire world went in the direction of the welfare state, is was the thinking at the time.

Now, as you’ve probably seen in my posts elsewhere, I think we need support systems that provide opportunity, without the ability to have them turn into a dependency and an entitlement issue.

The game of trying to villify liberals is shameful. I tire of hearing how liberals equal this evil or liberals equal that evil. Thinking along these lines is extremely lazy, or worse…

You should be ashamed.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

To be continued… [/quote]

Please God no…

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
That reached a level of stupidy I didn’t know existed.

I just can’t wait to see how the other conservative members try to defend this guy.

He has been called out multiple times for his bizarre love of Ayn Rand’s dumb philosophy and other odd stuff.

Who is your favorite philospher, Zap?

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I am my favorite philisopher. I find the tradional western philophers far too incomplete.

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Headhunter,

Would you please give us a working real-world example of a Non-welfare state. How do they deal with their poor and uneducated? How do they handle the lack of opportunity born of blatant and systemic racism(as was the case prior to at least the 60s)? How do they deal with their sick and injured who don’t have health coverage?

Please, enlighten me on how other societies have successfully solved these problems without government intervention. If there aren’t any examples to cite, fine, what are your proposed solutions to the problems? Blame the liberals? Oh, I know, volunteerism, right?

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Obviously other countries with poor and underprivileged simply don’t have any compassionate conservatives, like Headhunter for example…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

The conclusion is one of 3 things: (1)liberalism is unworkable, simply by viewing the outcome or(2)liberals are stupid for not seeing where their policy was taking the country, or (3)liberals did all of this purposefully and knew the outcome.

I would have to choose number one of the above three.

LBJ had the best of intentions with his “war on poverty” programs. They were a complete disaster, but I really doubt anyone would be that clever, and mean spirited to an entire segment of our population, and generations to come for political purposes…Okay, they couldn’t be that clever anyway.

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The “welfare state” was invented by Bismarck anyway, and yes he tried to keep German workers down and loyal to their state…

However he was pretty concervative no matter from what angle you look at him. Maybe he was that clever?

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HH is just lashing out because the extremists running the GOP are taking that party across a cliff.

The Dems will not have to anything and they will take control (sadly) of the house this fall.

If any of the liberals thought ‘it can’t get any worse’ you will be sorely mistaken.

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There are two sorts of Republicans: Millionaires and morons.

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
Headhunter,

Would you please give us a working real-world example of a Non-welfare state. How do they deal with their poor and uneducated? How do they handle the lack of opportunity born of blatant and systemic racism(as was the case prior to at least the 60s)? How do they deal with their sick and injured who don’t have health coverage?

Please, enlighten me on how other societies have successfully solved these problems without government intervention. If there aren’t any examples to cite, fine, what are your proposed solutions to the problems? Blame the liberals? Oh, I know, volunteerism, right?[/quote]

This is a thoughtful post by a liberal! I’m shocked, shocked I tell you! :slight_smile:

Ever hear of the economic history of 19th century America? Or Britain, after the passage of the Corn Laws?

I think liberals, who run our colleges, are definitely downplaying how magnificent capitalism was in each of those instances. Now, why would they do such a thing?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
That reached a level of stupidy I didn’t know existed.

I just can’t wait to see how the other conservative members try to defend this guy.

He has been called out multiple times for his bizarre love of Ayn Rand’s dumb philosophy and other odd stuff.

Who is your favorite philospher, Zap?

I am my favorite philisopher. I find the tradional western philophers far too incomplete.[/quote]

One of the main characters in Atlas Shrugged is an engineer and Ms. Rand greatly admired engineers for their ability to take science and use it to make all of our lives better.

Is this what you consider ‘dumb’ about her philosophy? Just curious…

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[quote]pookie wrote:
There are two sorts of Republicans: Millionaires and morons.
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There are two sorts of Liberals:
Evil and those too stupid to know any better.

You appear to be pretty bright there, Pookie.

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Interesting analogy:

Bush takes us into Iraq. Since WMDs were not found, he obviously lied.

LBJ, Ted Kennedy, and that bunch, start the Great Society/Welfare State. Two trillion dollars later, black people are WORSE off. So, the libs lied.

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I don’t think Bush lied about WMDs… that’s kind of hard to prove. I think Bush lied about his true intentions in Iraq. I can’t even blame him all that much, it’s not as if we’ve had many presidents who didn’t lie due to a personal agenda. The reason Bush is worse than the rest is simply how horribly he’s dealing with the mess he’s created.

Zap, if you don’t like traditional Western philosophers, look into some Eastern ones. You’ll be surprised how different they are. And as a note, there is no such thing as a complete philosophy. And no intelligent philosopher ever assumed he or she will give every answer to every question and be fully complete. Philosophy is a journey, that may never end.

What Western philosophers have you read that you found incomplete, and why?

And back to Headhunter, why do you expect any of us “allegedly intelligent libs” to argue against you? Your statement was so illegitimate, so undoubtedly retarded, so “conspiracy theory” that it doesn’t even warrant attention. I don’t know what I can do to make you see how plain awful and ungrounded your “hypothesis” was.

Furthermore, why are you of all people calling us out for not arguing against you, and just calling you a retard? Do I need to redirect you to half of your posts in the Pray for Pookie thread? Every other word out of your mouth was some dimwitted, elementary school level insult.

Godammit, why is this guy not banned from T-Nation yet? Aren’t trolls supposed to bring at least a small level of amusement?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Interesting analogy:

Bush takes us into Iraq. Since WMDs were not found, he obviously lied.

LBJ, Ted Kennedy, and that bunch, start the Great Society/Welfare State. Two trillion dollars later, black people are WORSE off. So, the libs lied.

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Doesn’t that mean you’re intellectually equivalent to the Moveon lunatics?

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[quote]danmaftei wrote:
Aren’t trolls supposed to bring at least a small level of amusement?[/quote]

Trolls yes. But trolls, especially good ones, are generally pretty smart. Stupidity is just dull and plodding and only accidentally amusing.

There’s a reason he’s hunting for a head, you know.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
AZMojo wrote:
Headhunter,

Would you please give us a working real-world example of a Non-welfare state. How do they deal with their poor and uneducated? How do they handle the lack of opportunity born of blatant and systemic racism(as was the case prior to at least the 60s)? How do they deal with their sick and injured who don’t have health coverage?

Please, enlighten me on how other societies have successfully solved these problems without government intervention. If there aren’t any examples to cite, fine, what are your proposed solutions to the problems? Blame the liberals? Oh, I know, volunteerism, right?

This is a thoughtful post by a liberal! I’m shocked, shocked I tell you! :slight_smile:

Ever hear of the economic history of 19th century America? Or Britain, after the passage of the Corn Laws?

I think liberals, who run our colleges, are definitely downplaying how magnificent capitalism was in each of those instances. Now, why would they do such a thing?[/quote]

I think you’re downplaying how influential slavery and the government’s aquisition of land was in that era. Not to mention that the population was a fraction of today’s. The"good 'ol days" of the 19th century of over.
Now would you be so kind as to actually answer my original question? I believe I asked for a WORKING REAL-WORLD example. That would be TODAY’s real-world. Thanks.

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I find it interesting that the ‘old guy’ questions the status quo while the young fellows just hand a collar and a leash to the powers-that-be. Interesting…

My point about the WMDs was that, if the libs can judge Bush by the outcome of his efforts, why can’t I judge the libs by the outcome of their efforts? Seems reasonable to me.

As to the moron who wants me banned: Welcome to America. Here, we have a thing called ‘difference of opinion’. We are allowed to differ. In short, cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it.

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It’s funny how we like to look at the past through the lens of today… or everyone has 20/20 hindsight.

In the past, people had work ethics, people were naive in some ways, who would ever have imagined a society where it was okay not to work, to accept payment from the government on a continual basis.

There was a time that such a thing was unheard of.

Amazingly, when the programs were created, would be that time. So, given the attitudes of people at the time, how could they be expected to forsee such things.

I find this thread absolutely deplorable on multiple levels. How some people can think so ill of approximately half the population is amazing.

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
AZMojo wrote:
Headhunter,

Would you please give us a working real-world example of a Non-welfare state. How do they deal with their poor and uneducated? How do they handle the lack of opportunity born of blatant and systemic racism(as was the case prior to at least the 60s)? How do they deal with their sick and injured who don’t have health coverage?

Please, enlighten me on how other societies have successfully solved these problems without government intervention. If there aren’t any examples to cite, fine, what are your proposed solutions to the problems? Blame the liberals? Oh, I know, volunteerism, right?

This is a thoughtful post by a liberal! I’m shocked, shocked I tell you! :slight_smile:

Ever hear of the economic history of 19th century America? Or Britain, after the passage of the Corn Laws?

I think liberals, who run our colleges, are definitely downplaying how magnificent capitalism was in each of those instances. Now, why would they do such a thing?

I think you’re downplaying how influential slavery and the government’s aquisition of land was in that era. Not to mention that the population was a fraction of today’s. The"good 'ol days" of the 19th century of over.
Now would you be so kind as to actually answer my original question? I believe I asked for a WORKING REAL-WORLD example. That would be TODAY’s real-world. Thanks.[/quote]

Well, your first paragraph makes no sense. As for your second, you’d never be satisfied with any answer I gave. You’d always find some little “Aha, but what about…” and then drone on about how its not really capitalism, blah, blah, blah.

Perhaps a better way of looking would be to look at all the countries around the world that are embracing capitalism. They have finally figured out that Socialism was simply a death-wish that Marx, Engels, Lenin and company foisted upon the world. The mild infection we got, the welfare state, will soon be some long distant memory, like the CCC and other such stupidities.

If you look, the more a country embraces free markets, the better off the people there are.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
As to the moron who wants me banned: Welcome to America. Here, we have a thing called ‘difference of opinion’. We are allowed to differ. In short, cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it.[/quote]

Actually, freedom of speech isn’t a right here. You give up that right (here) when you agree to the terms of service. If you were banned, you wouldn’t be able to just say “but teh fredum o’ speach lololo” and be unbanned.

Unless whoever runs/owns this site decided to unban you.