[quote]rainjack wrote:
100meters wrote:
Well, I remember realtime because I lived it, I suggested books for your ilk because you’ve forgotten what a shitty mess that time was! As has already been pointed out, the arms buildup had nothing to do with budgetary spending in the USSR, this arms race was a huge waste of taxpayer cash, and bankrupted the U.S. it would take years to recover from that needless stupidity, not to mention it STRENGTHENED the resolve of the old school soviets, making gorbachev’s job a little harder.
I remember when Reagan took office, that interest rates were 20%. I remember huge tax cuts. I remember those tax cuts generating more revenue than ever before, and at the same time democrats spending at an even higher rate. I remember Clinton taking over an economy ready to explode - which it did, certainly not as result of Clinton’s doings. The U.S. was never bankrupted. That’s another lib scare tactic in the same class as 'republicans wan to starve your children and the elderly.
But your hero thought we actually had to catch up to the Soviets! And my God! SDI! Your not embarrassed to mention it! The progam also known as vaporware may have scared the Russian hardliners, but by the time INF had rolled along Gorby’s scientists had already discounted it, notice that Gorby resolved INF by not including SDI in it!
You’re not just a little embarrassed to discount 6 years of Reagan leading up to INF? Of course not - you think his 2 terms were a joke, filled with bad times and starving babies. Does your memory go back to the 70’s? I guess not, as you must only have the 90’s to compare the 80’s to. Carte was the joke of all jokes. He had to resort to building houses to have any positive image. Compared to the mid to late 70’s - the 80’s was a party.
Rainjack, Kerry’s support of nuclear freeze was only backed by 70-80 percent of the population then remember? And by 1983, Clueless Reagan had already come to “interim” solutions that Hawks HATED, or have you forgotten? I mean you were living it right? Hilarious!
And 70-80% of the american people were dead-assed wrong. We won thru strength, not giving in. It is politics, and he gave in way more than he should have - especially when it came to pork-barrel budgets.
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So interest rates were high because Volcker and crew were beating back inflation, right? GDP, jobs, and revenues all positive when Carter left right? I won’t even bother to defend the ineptness of Carter, but Volcker was trying to beat inflation. And how can you question the outright failure of Reaganomics, when a. budget didn’t balance (the opposite) b. Debt did not go down(the opposite).
Next you just lie about tax cuts. Unless you rainjack were in a high tax bracket your taxes were not cut in 1981 because of either an increase in your tax bracket and/or increase in S.S. taxes. Not to mention taxes were increased by your party every damn year after that! Factor in double-digit unemployment, recession, savings and loan etc. and your just living in fantasy land. And any economy would have exploded after Bush’s debacle!
http://www.forbes.com/2004/07/20/cx_da_0720presidents_print.html
So I’ll give you that. As for scare tactics it seems Bush is going around saying S.S. is going bankrupt, That seems kind of scary (not true though) If S.S. is going bankrupt because in 40 years it’ll pay 70 percent of its benefits, then isn’t the us govenrment bankrupt now? (we use 30 percent of revenue to pay interest) Oh rainjack! You’ve graduated from Dittohead University! congrats!