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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Not quite what Jesus would have said, is it? And you wonder why SOME Christians get ridiculed.[/quote]

i’m not perfect. what i say to H-factless has nothing to do with you.

non-christians seem to think Christians are doormats. the Jesus of Matthew 21 verse 12 was not a doormat

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves…

also i may not be the tallest guy on T-Nation but neither was King David from the old testament. Samson wasn’t especially tall either and both were able to put men on the ground without worrying what people like a DBcooper say.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Wow.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about.[/quote]

i have lived long enough on this earth to recognize there is a serious agenda to wipe out God, creationism and many other issues related to Bible believing citizens all over the world. [/quote]

It’s not just your religion that is being criticized.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
i am not a scientist, i doubt you are either. [/quote]

Well, half of this statement of yours is wrong.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
but explain why is it all the main groups of animals living today have been found in supposedly millions of year old rock?[/quote]

Please provide some evidence where you came to this notion.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
how can this be if they should have been evolving? theories change as new evidence is discovered. i have a feeling new evidence that can not be refuted will be found debunking evolution. [/quote]

Ok, you have a feeling, that’s nice.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
evolutionists are brainwashed so as not to see all the facts. [/quote]

With the ignorance you’ve posted in this thread, I’d be careful who you’re calling brainwashed.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
read this in regards to transitional fossils:

http://creation.com/that-quote-about-the-missing-transitional-fossils
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Thanks but no thanks. I’ve had my fill of the selective ignorance of creationism and creationists.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
P.S.

i have had better debates when i was younger and in school. one short debate stands out. a non Christian guy called me an idiot for my belief in an invisable man in the sky and said i didn’t know what i was talking about. he said evolution is not a theory, it’s a fact, like the theory of gravity.

i looked him in the eyes and said no, you’re the idiot. it’s not the theory of gravity. it’s the law of gravity.

i wanted to beat the living fuck out him. but alas my character over ruled that whim.
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Ok.

[quote]StolyElit wrote:

Conservativedog, your last ranting post about gays, aids and cancer is one of the most ignorant piece of garbage statements I have seen on the internet since my last stroll through a you tube forum and while I see no point in arguing with you, people who are offended by your ideas will do everything in their power to ensure that you and people like you have as little influence as possible over our society. Hate and anger masquerading as alternative ideas and beliefs must at all cost be prevented from continuing on to our younger more impressionable generations.[/quote]

rant? i don’t recall crossing any lines from the T-Nation acceptable-use policy

i do say that you are late to the dance and have read out of context what went on with the with the member i was “chatting” with.

i describe H-factless as a jerk that has trolled my threads since fall of 2012. at the same time claiming i am on his forum ignore function.

what i wrote in regards to him indeed has frustration written all around. but there is no actual hate. you can not see my face, nor know my emotions as they are not as they appear. not even in my hub.

what i wrote has absolutely zero relation to you.

it’s more of a running joke at this point. the member has a brother that he mentions ON MY THREADS. he conveniently includes HIS BOTHER in conversation so we can all recognize that H-factless is politically hip, acceptable and a “social justice warrior” and records all episodes of ellen.

how i am obligated to “behave” when around members such as yourself i do not know, i do not know you.

perhaps ignorant word’s or phrases that i should avoid can be suggested by you. how can words be less of an influence on people who have such strong passion to gays, aids and cancer?

P.S.

I am the least qualified person to be defending God’s creation vs man’s theory of evolution and affirm this. knowing He does not need my help I am not worthy to be looked upon or even described as a Christian.

I am a sinful man with sinful ways and sinful thoughts. they escape my tongue often.

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

hanks but no thanks. I’ve had my fill of the selective ignorance of creationism and creationists.

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why should anyone debating you care what selective evidence evolution puts forth? and where is all the proof that is so convincing to you and the several others here?

you indicate you have some education, but anything that would make a convincing debate you seem to leave to peek-a-boo retorts.

the Bible is not a TV Evangelist hawking his horse-manure for shut-ins and fools to send money so that a miracle can happen. if that is your experience then you didn’t investigate it all.

The Bible is known as the anvil that has worn out all hammers.

In it is the root of Islam, Judaism and Christianity. I would think a scientist would be curious as to why those three believed in it rather than impugn those who do.

monkey = man? are you also able to convert base metals into gold?

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
When religious conservatives learn to get past the whole creationism thing and accept the far more valid theory of evolution, and when certain atheist scientists stop pointing to scientific discovery as a means of disproving the existence of God, we can move past the infantile bickering that occurs when religious fanatics and scientists/atheists get together.[/quote]

…again (as i’ve written this before) for example just because there are many religions throughout world history does not mean all of them have to be wrong. one can be right.

same as in your above dilemma, one of them can be right.

[quote]H factor wrote:

The double standard is “hilarious.” Creationism has no place in a science classroom, end of story. It can take place in religious studies, in other places, but why teach something that isn’t based on science in science class? It makes no sense.

edited from another H-factless horse manure post:

That notion that not everything is all one way and shades of gray exist doesn’t fit in with the paranoid mindset of whatever drivel “I can’t see from c-dog.” A guy who I had to put on ignore because he invented an idea that I’m part of a conspiracy to control the dialogue on this website in a liberal way.

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H-factless get some professional help.

And by professional help I mean take a trip to North Korea and ask a paid soldier to stab you in the face with a bayonet.
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Not quite what Jesus would have said, is it? And you wonder why SOME Christians get ridiculed.[/quote]

The dude is absolutely fucking hilarious in the most “holy shit keep the kids away from the lunatic who lives next door” way possible.

I guess someone forgot to wear the old What Would Jesus Do bracelet to remind them that when arguing about Christianity they may want to at least pretend they follow the teachings of Christ.

Ironically conservatives who believe these sorts of things and behave in this sort of manner actually help the opposition win. In many ways C-dog is the type of “conservative” who Democrats absolutely want to have a strong voice because of how much people want to be associated with the opposite viewpoint of him.

I’m no Bible scholar but I wonder if it is possible to consider that the Flood is what killed off the dinosaurs.

Good thing there weren’t any ocean-dwelling dinosaurs…oh wait…

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Good thing there weren’t any ocean-dwelling dinosaurs…oh wait…[/quote]

Guess what? Something washed up on shore in California. It sported a twenty foot or so long neck and some witnesses described a number of legs on the creature. This was in 1925.

Same thing in 1977 in New Zealand, Mexico in 1969, and another in Nova Scotia.

These creatures from the ocean had long necks. What fish has a neck?

More pictures here. I can understand you don’t want anything to interfere with what your young minds have been filled with by 21st century educators:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_misterioevolucion_2.htm

The Bible mentions two dinosaurs by name and describes them in great detail. “Behemoth” (Job 40:15-24) and “Leviathan” (Job 41:1-34) From the description found in Job, scientists have attempted to identify these animals. They believe “Behemoth” is a Hippo and “Leviathan” is a Crocodile.

But these scientists limited their choices to non-extinct species and did not consider the possibility of dinosaurs because man and dinosaur never coexisted. Really? Even in my own personal Bible a footnote suggests these two animals were a hippo and a crock. But there are some obvious reasons why this conclusion is wrong.

First, “Behemoth” cannot be a Hippo because of Job 40:17 “He bends his tail like a cedar”. A hippo has a short tail like a pig. Behemoth, had a large tail shaped like a cedar tree (large and tapered). I believe a better choice is that Behemoth is a Brachiosaurus type of large land dwelling dinosaur. It fits the description perfect.

Second, “Leviathan” cannot be a Crocodile but is probably a Elasmosaurus type of large water-dwelling dinosaur. Here is what Job 41 says with my comments in brackets, "v9 you be laid low even at the sight of him? (This was a large animal) v10 No one is so fierce that he dares to arouse him; v25 When he raises himself up, the mighty fear; (crocs don’t raise up at all but are always low)

Because of the crashing they are bewildered. v26 (This animal was large! This animal made seismic thunder as it walked. You know…that slow, low, terrifying thud that Jurassic park portrayed so well) v26 The sword that reaches him cannot avail; (crocs are quite easy to kill with a good spear) Nor the spear, the dart, or the javelin. (Croc wrestling is a sport, the croc usually looses) v31 He makes the depths boil like a pot; He makes the sea like a jar of ointment. v32 Behind him he makes a wake to shine; (crocs make little wake if any) v34 He looks on everything that is high" (again it was a tall animal with a long neck).

What is significant about this is that if “Behemoth” and “Leviathan” are dinosaurs, then is it crystal clear that Job had either seen them personally, or there was a recent memory of them. This of course flies in the face of current evolutionary theory.

P.S.

I am the least qualified person to be defending God’s creation vs man’s theory of evolution and affirm this. Knowing He does not need my help I am not worthy to be looked upon or even described as a Christian.

I am a sinful man with sinful ways and sinful thoughts. They escape my tongue often. I will strive to do better knowing I am but a man.

[quote]StolyElit wrote:

Hate and anger masquerading as alternative ideas and beliefs must at all cost be prevented from continuing on to our younger more impressionable generations.[/quote]

alternative ideas and beliefs = what? secular man’s attempt to adhere to the flavor and popularity of the day?

[quote]H factor wrote:

The dude is absolutely fucking hilarious in the most “holy shit keep the kids away from the lunatic who lives next door” way possible.

I guess someone forgot to wear the old What Would Jesus Do bracelet to remind them that when arguing about Christianity they may want to at least pretend they follow the teachings of Christ.

Ironically conservatives who believe these sorts of things and behave in this sort of manner actually help the opposition win. In many ways C-dog is the type of “conservative” who Democrats absolutely want to have a strong voice because of how much people want to be associated with the opposite viewpoint of him. [/quote]

“fucking hilarius” …is your subconscious stating you covet what you have yet to fully develop.

it’s called wit. some know it as horse sense.

sticking your finger to the wind to see which way “popularity” is blowing is no way to build character or find direction.

H-factless believes himself to be a “good” person. the wind of “popularity” tells him so. i think he will get there one day.

i have no hate for you H-factless, again i say “jump on the peace train T-Nation bro.”

No, you’re just a loon

Also from that site of yours
Atlantis
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_atlantida.htm

Alien skulls
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_craneos02.htm#mysterious

Ancient atomic warfare
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ancient_atomic.htm

…to the uninformed there have been hundreds of recent scientific discoveries that up to now have caused scientists to scoff at inaccuracies the Bible.

The Garden of Eden is described in Genesis 2:11-14 as having four rivers as it’s boundaries. Pishon, Gihon, the Tigris, and the Euphrates.

Scientists scoffed at that because there are only two rivers today. The two missing rivers Gihon and Pison went clear down southwest to Ethiopia and west-southwest into central Arabia.

The former riverbeds - long ago covered up by the Flood and sand over the centuries - were picked up by aero-photographers or satellite scans during the first invasion of Kuwait under President Bush Sr.

Gee who would have guessed?

I invite anyone to read the beginning of Genesis. You might find it refreshingly different than what you may have been led to believe by 21st century educators.

Conservativedog, your info about the hippo’s tail being like a cedar tree is absolutely fucking HYSTERICAL!!!

Anyone with half a working knowledge of the Bible knows that “cedar” in this case is derived from the Hebrew words “to bend” or “to curve”, in this case like many cedar trees common to the area would bend in the wind. Remember, there are many, many different types of cedar trees, not all of which grow strong and straight and sturdy in the manner you have assumed.

So if that was your evidence that dinosaurs existed when men walked the Earth, well, sorry. You better get some different evidence because you are flat-out wrong on this one.


Crocs never raise up, eh conservativedog?

Perhaps you didn’t realize that the passage refers to a crocodile “raising up” to the surface of the water, from the “depths” that he makes “boil like a pot.” Or that the crocodile “looks on everything that is high” because they believed a croc could see out of the water from the bottom in what is actually an unrealistic assumption of their viewing abilities.

There goes your other piece of evidence.

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
…to the uninformed there have been hundreds of recent scientific discoveries that up to now have caused scientists to scoff at inaccuracies the Bible.

The Garden of Eden is described in Genesis 2:11-14 as having four rivers as it’s boundaries. Pishon, Gihon, the Tigris, and the Euphrates.

Scientists scoffed at that because there are only two rivers today. The two missing rivers Gihon and Pison went clear down southwest to Ethiopia and west-southwest into central Arabia.

The former riverbeds - long ago covered up by the Flood and sand over the centuries - were picked up by aero-photographers or satellite scans during the first invasion of Kuwait under President Bush Sr.

Gee who would have guessed?

I invite anyone to read the beginning of Genesis. You might find it refreshingly different than what you may have been led to believe by 21st century educators.
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First of all, it’s no big revelation to scientists that there were two rivers flowing across the Tigris/Euphrates that no longer exist. I don’t know where you get the notion that scientists scoffed at that possibility. They didn’t know where these extinct rivers were exactly, but they’ve known for decades and decades that there are extinct rivers all over the place in the Middle East. It’s not nearly as lush anymore as it was described in historical texts from even just a couple thousand years ago.

I’d like to see some links to these scientists who scoffed at the possibility of extinct rivers existing underneath a desert region and used the then-absence of two of the four rivers as evidence that God does not exist or that the Bible is inaccurate.

Show me a scientist who says, “The Bible is wrong because there is no possible way for four rivers in the region to form a boundary in the manner the book describes.”

Secondly, the discovery of these two rivers means nothing in terms of the discussion at hand.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Conservativedog, your info about the hippo’s tail being like a cedar tree is absolutely fucking HYSTERICAL!!!

Anyone with half a working knowledge of the Bible knows that “cedar” in this case is derived from the Hebrew words “to bend” or “to curve”, in this case like many cedar trees common to the area would bend in the wind. Remember, there are many, many different types of cedar trees, not all of which grow strong and straight and sturdy in the manner you have assumed.

So if that was your evidence that dinosaurs existed when men walked the Earth, well, sorry. You better get some different evidence because you are flat-out wrong on this one.[/quote]

i always thought scientists like you and matty would be interesting people to meet and discuss fantastic ideas.

turns out a lot of them must be big dicks just like you see in the movies.

…Max Han was fishing with his family near London,TX when he found a rock with wood protruding from it. When the rock was cracked open, this octagonally shaped iron hammer was exposed.

The enclosing rock contains Lower Cretaceous fossils. It is a concretionary sandstone nodule from the nearby cliff which is made up of concretionary sandstone nodules.

This cliff is part of the Lower Cretaceous Edwards Plateau which evolutionists tell us was formed 140 million years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Of course, the coexistence of humans and dinosaurs would destroy evolutionary theory, so maybe the hammer was made by dinosaurs.

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/fossilized-hammer.htm

oh here’s another

here’s a living dinosaur that died out 65 million years ago. as a sixth grader i read about the fish being “rediscovered” in 1938 still swimming around not knowing it was supposed to be extinct.

The coelacanth fishes were known only from fossils, the most recent of which dated from the late Cretaceous 65 million years ago, so the discovery created a world wide sensation and was called the “biological find of the century”- the same as finding a living dinosaur.

http://www.dinofish.com/

i don’t have to find a thousand more of these stories but you know as well as i do they exist. don’t be a brainwashed robot, i know you are better than that.

here’s my theory on evolution: evolution is for dicks that would rather believe there is no creator and no order, so they won’t be held accountable for their petty self love and self gratification.

P.S.

i found out long ago that some of the best information from down to earth people are sometimes on silly looking websites that appear as if they were made with a packard bell 386 on internet software from a 5 1/4 inch floppy disk.

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
No, you’re just a loon

Also from that site of yours
Atlantis
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_atlantida.htm

Alien skulls
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_craneos02.htm#mysterious

Ancient atomic warfare
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_ancient_atomic.htm
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there are things science will never answer and you know that to be true.

you personally think “big bang” sounds like a plausible answer to how we got here. when i studied that for the first time in elementary school i thought that sure was a lazy explanation, what caused it but they started with big bang and went from there.

all i know they can not create life from the matter they say it is made from.

so don’t call me a name to try and end a debate that boils down to faith.

you either have faith that a bunch of guys no better than yourself thought the God fantasy thing was ancient, and who wants to be held to archaic laws such as the Ten Commandments? so they said monkeys look like some races so we all come from monkeys and called it evolution. lazy idea.

i noticed you sidestepped the news stories of the long necked creature that washed up on the pacific shore. the pictures and descriptions are that of a plesiosaur. Do you deny these things with necks wash up on shore or have been trapped in trawler fishing nets?

matty, who would believe that someone born in the 1800’s could have put together an atomic bomb? how difficult a stretch to think the lost library of alexandria may have contained mathematical formulas to rival einsteins.

that library contained nearly one million scrolls of plays, poetry, mathematics and the schematics of the greatest egyptian mechanics. who is to say an atomic theory was out of the question? 2014 we don’t even know everything about the great pyramids and what they are for.

i never cared enough to read more than a few pages about crystal skulls as a kid. evidently they don’t know anymore today then they did then. i guess you saw the word alien and stopped there.

does ever single scientist know the how and where the crystal skulls came from and the jokes on me? maybe a big bang put the crystal skulls here.

atlantis who really knows? i have scuba dived the 16-17 foot deep Bimini Road in Bahamas that has stories linked to Atlantis. i really don’t care.

i didn’t even see those links and didn’t link to them. i linked to the dinosaur looking things that wash up on shores every now an again.

end of story, from your favorite fellow T-Nation loon.

Re: that hammer

You can keep posting all the “evidence” that you want. However, even if it is correct, it doesn’t support any of your biblical claims.

And I never brought up my thoughts or feelings about the big bang, so fuck off with that straw man.

Re: Library of Alexandria.
That was a tragedy, I also find it intriguing to wonder what knowledge it may have contained. However, the claims you make are pure speculation, so get out of that rabbit hole Alice.

And I’m off to bed, night.

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Re: that hammer

You can keep posting all the “evidence” that you want. However, even if it is correct, it doesn’t support any of your biblical claims.

And I never brought up my thoughts or feelings about the big bang, so fuck off with that straw man.

Re: Library of Alexandria.
That was a tragedy, I also find it intriguing to wonder what knowledge it may have contained. However, the claims you make are pure speculation, so get out of that rabbit hole Alice.

And I’m off to bed, night.[/quote]

leave a link to an experts “speculation” to top my link and then march off to bed. so goes internet battles season (IV)

well i’m gonna go get gas and maybe refuel my car as well.

…i surmised when this thread took a turn towards evolution, three things would occur.

no one would be able to explain what exploded to cause a “Big Bang” and what did it come from?

that speculation and anti-creationist beliefs, made up and heavily funded through government grants, mostly (not all) of the same ilk as in leftist liberal politics would attempt to embarrass, discredit and dehumanize creationists by referring to them as stupid and insane. anyone who believes in creation is hilarious and a loon.

… that you either decide to believe in God and the creation from Genesis or you come up with a theory full of holes. to believe transitional fossils showing clear evolutionary changes over millions of years is a matter of choice no different than deciding aborting a fetus is not killing a human baby. there are no transitional fossils showing a creature turning into another. life from nonlife comes down to a matter of faith. IT IS A RELIGION.

lastly no matter what thread or what subject H-factless will enter the fray:

…all the while claiming i am on his ignore list,as he mentions my threads are not worth the time (but still visits each thread) and then generate his patented, two year standard of dopey and unimaginative retorts while venturing to identify me as old, roided, paranoid, hate filled, racist, (then add old again) homophobic (because i don’t have a gay brother,but he always mentions his) and then old again then, not worth the time, f__king hilarious, old, roided, and racist(again), then adds he is done (indicating falsely he will never again waste time on one of my threads)

believe what you will. just don’t use my tax dollars to force public school kids into accepting your religion of evolution, abortion etc… Secular Humanism is your RELIGION.

if you choose to ignore this video you had no interest in doing other than my third paragraph…

start at 1:40 mark:

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
if you choose to ignore this video you hade no interest in doing other than my third paragraph…

start at 1:40 mark:

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Oh, that’s by Kent Hovind, the guy that bought a fake PhD to appear credible, why are you listening to him?