Liberal Bias In Media Exposed..Again

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let me also ask, where were all of you when it was found that people associated with the president’s campaign were responsible for funding the Vets’ accusations? If I remember correctly, this involved one lawyer who later stepped down from his position on the campaign after the news became public. Do you all just ignore things like that?
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also untrue. He offered some legal advice, didn’t know what he was getting involved in, and when he did he resigned over the appearance of impropriety. In that world it’s not uncommon for people to work for various groups. That’s how Paul Krugman winds up as an economic advisor to Enron.

[quote]100meters wrote:
This “study” is not an indicator of bias, just an indicator of the media kind of half ass doing their job, because as its already been stated NOTHING POSITIVE happened during this time, and Bush has been a horrible president(so far). During this time he’s dealing with the debacle in Iraq, torture memos, weakest recovery from a recession, horrendous job record(negative jobs then) stockmarket going nowhere, huge trade deficit, collapsing dollar, in general utter failure.

Bias would be something like pimping one party over the other constantly, delivering talking points, Or just flat out lying to viewers to shill for administration…Like FOX or even Air America.
The real problem is folks like Hedo, zeb, and joe weider that love being lied
to, and isolate themselves in the bubble of Fox or Newsmax.com where I think this story comes from, places that create the frame that you can only trust us, because everybody else is biased by the facts.

You guys are aware the Swifties have been totally debunked in the real world outside of FOX and newsmax.com right?
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  1. there were positive things…the media wasn’t covering them, that’s part of the reason for the study.
  2. the study was conducted by the columbia school of journalism. I hardly think that merits your snotty “study”.
  3. Where in the real world? Trust me, three wacko homemade websites with names like “liberalundergroundpantysniffers.com” is not the real world.

[quote]vroom wrote:
The swiftees were an election event and have served their purposes. What else is there to say?

They raised “hypotheticals” that were “important to consider” with respect to the “character of the candidate” in order to equalize the playing field.

It was all very well done.

Anyway, I’m well off topic here. Sorry for the hijack.[/quote]

what? They brought up the man’s character during the 3 months he was in viet nam, which was what he based his whole campaign on.
You guys are nuts.
All of you.
By the way, I’m not having a fit, unless you count the giggles I get from watching you and 100meters and Professor X try to spin this stuff.
Careful, or you’re going to get dizzy and throw up on each other!

“Weakest recovery from recession”. That gets the quote of the week award.
Are you saying that this recovery from a recession is not good enough? If that is the case what is your solution to this weak recovery?
One strategy I love is when someone makes a statement and expects everyone to agree or prove it wrong. I would just once like to see someone make a statement and prove it right.Or even better yet, provide a viable solution to a problem that is presented.
I walked out of a college english class because we kept getting shit like this rammed down our throats.When the Prof asked why I left, and we discussed it, I explained this exact strategy to her.The funny part is that she understood completely.The even funnier part is that she is not even from the U.S. She is from Pakistan.I recieved an A in that class.
It is realy irritating to hear some whiney assed sissy ultra liberal crying about how things aren’t being done to their specifications. Just once I would like to see some of them do something besides whine and throw tantrums.Something constructive like get a degree in economics and sociology and become President.OH, wait that was allready done by Reagan.

So offering “free legal advice” to a group who opposes the person running against the guy you work for is a good thing? You see no problems with this and it all sounds legit to you? He’s a lawyer. If anyone knew what they were doing, it was him. I find it laughable that even after the election you can excuse that and try to dismiss it as non-consequential. It means there is no point to further this discussion. You are biased and will oppose anything that even hints at “shady” dealings within that campaign structure. I am also biased, but if someone proves me wrong, that is all there is to it. I guess it hurts to admit that everything was not roses during that campaign.

I doubt you will find anyone who even voted for Kerry who thinks he did the greatest job, yet you will be hard pressed to find even one conservative who will admit any faults as far as the guy they voted for.

Here’s an idea. Let’s look at the actual survey:

http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2005/index.asp

Content Analysis

By the Project for Excellence in Journalism

Two stories dominated the year, the war in Iraq and the election, and both were caught in the maelstrom of debate over media bias.

The charge that coverage of the situation in Iraq was decidedly negative does not bear up under scrutiny.

Over all, across all media studied, stories about the war were just slightly more likely to carry a clearly negative tone than a positive one (25% negative versus 20% positive). The majority of stories, however, had no decided tone at all. The largest number, 35%, were neutral, and another 20% were about multiple subjects for which tone did not apply.

Those findings are based on 16 newspapers, four nightly newscasts, three network morning news shows, nine different cable programs, and nine Web sites examined for four weeks through the course of the year.1

Different outlets also varied in their coverage. Newspapers tended to mirror the totals over all. But the three nightly newscasts and PBS tended to be more negative than positive, while network morning news was the reverse. On cable, the news channels themselves varied. Fox was twice as likely to be positive as negative. CNN and MSNBC were more evenly split.

When it came to the campaign, on the other hand, the criticism that George Bush got worse coverage than John Kerry is supported by the data.2 Looking across all media, campaign coverage that focused on Bush was three times as negative as coverage of Kerry (36% versus 12%) It was also less likely to be positive (20% positive Bush stories, 30% for Kerry).

That also meant Bush coverage was less likely to be neutral (44% of Bush stories, 58% for Kerry).

We continue to see significant differences in the nature of the content of different media. On network TV news, for instance, what the viewer gets will depend on the time of day, with mornings and prime-time magazines offering significantly lighter fare than evening news programs. Viewers of PBS will see a different range of concerns from those who watch cable, where entertainment and celebrity are a notable part of the agenda. In magazines, the big new growth area is in publications that concern not public life at all, but shopping.

Beyond the question of topic agenda, there are also measurable differences in the nature of the reporting in different media, even under the same corporate roof.

Cable news, for instance, is a more thinly reported medium than its rivals. The story segments include fewer sources, tend to be more one-sided and feature more opinion from the journalists.

There are also distinct differences among the three cable channels. On Fox News, the journalists themselves offer their opinions, without attribution to any reporting, in seven out of ten stories. That happens in less than one story out of ten on CNN, and in fewer than three stories out of ten on MSNBC.

Fox’s stories are more deeply sourced than those of its cable rivals, but are also more one-sided.

The traditional nightly newscasts on commercial network TV stand out for their depth of reporting and their reliance on taped, edited packages. The differences among the three newscasts on the commercial networks are slight. PBS’s NewsHour, however, is noticeably even more thorough in its sourcing. Morning news, meanwhile, is not as deeply sourced.

Newspapers continue to be distinguished for the depth, range and variety of their content, even on their front pages. One reason is that newspapers have more reporters and space - both factors that are threatened if print cannot figure out a way to bring in more money online, where its audience is moving.

News Web sites still mostly resemble newspapers and make only limited use of the technology’s potential by including links to video, graphics, or photos or by allowing users to search, customize and manipulate data. Alternative Web sites abound, and the most popular, Google and Yahoo! use more advanced technology but offer no additional authority over the information they dispense.

In magazines, while Time and Newsweek have continued their move toward soft news topics, other magazines like The New Yorker, The Atlantic and even Harper’s have moved in, - tying their coverage more closely to current events and even breaking news themselves.


Also, here is a link to the methodolody of the study, which includes tables and some interesting stuff if you want to know what’s behind the numbers (pretty important if you want to actually understand the claims):

http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2005/methodology.asp


I’m sure this will be good conversational fodder, but I’m off for awhile. Enjoy.

One more quick one – some analysis from a professor of media studies at UNC-Chapel Hill:

March 14, 2005
What You See (Hear) Is What You Get

An enormous new study is out on “The State of the Media,” ( http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2005/index.asp ) with more material than you could possibly chew over in a day. It’s a bonanza.

But of all this massive amount of data, what is it that the nation’s premiere media reporter chooses to focus on for the lead of his piece?

You guessed it: that which can be interpreted as making Fox look biased.

[i]In covering the Iraq war last year, 73 percent of the stories on Fox News included the opinions of the anchors and journalists reporting them, a new study says.

By contrast, 29 percent of the war reports on MSNBC and 2 percent of those on CNN included the journalists’ own views.

These findings – the figures were similar for coverage of other stories – “seem to challenge” Fox’s slogan of “we report, you decide,” says the Project for Excellence in Journalism.[/i]

And that, of course, is his headline, “On Fox News, No Shortage of Opinion, Study Finds.” ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A32631-2005Mar13?language=printer )

Only after that does he proceed to point out:

In a 617-page report, the group also found that “Fox is more deeply sourced than its rivals,” while CNN is “the least transparent about its sources of the three cable channels, but more likely to present multiple points of view.”

In fact, if you go to the appropriate section of the report ( http://www.stateofthemedia.org/2005/narrative_cabletv_contentanalysis.asp?cat=2&media=5 )(not that any of the news reporting on the study is of any help in locating it) you find a few more interesting tidbits.

One, by the way, is that my persistent complaint that “live trumps all” on cable is backed up by the numbers.

What does that mean? With hours of air time and numerous correspondents, resources are devoted much less to gathering new information, or going deeper with background reporting, than to being live and appearing to be on top of three or four big stories of the day.

Furthermore:

In contrast, lifestyle, entertainment and celebrity – topics virtually nonexistent on nightly newscasts or the front pages of newspapers – are the largest topic group on cable news. And that holds true even though the amounts vary across the range of program types. For instance, collectively, science, technology, and business made up just 2% of the time studied over twenty days, and the range of domestic issues, from education to the environment to health care, made up 11%. Celebrity, lifestyle and entertainment made up nearly a quarter of the time (23%).

It’s unfortunate that they didn’t compare that across the networks.

Now, as to Fox vs. CNN:

[i]Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air. The news channel was also decidedly more positive in its coverage of the war in Iraq, while the others were largely neutral. At the same time, the story segments on the Fox programs studied did have more sources and shared more about them with audiences.

CNN tended to air more points of view in its stories than others, and its reporters rarely offered their own opinions, but the news channel’s stories were noticeably thinner in the number of sources and the information shared about them.[/i]

Where’s the newsflash here? Fox had more sources, and was clearer about who those sources were, permitting the audience the opportunity to decide for itself how to evaluate their claims. CNN had fewer sources (if more points of view) but they weren’t giving the audience much information about who those were.

Fox was more positive.

Excuse me, but, uh, where’s the news there? Hasn’t the debate for well over a year been over whether or not the mainstream media, exclusive of Fox, has been too relentlessly negative? Now a study comes out saying the mainstream outlets are more negative than Fox and that’s taken as evidence of some kind of bias? It’s just confirmation of what we’ve been debating all along.

[i]Fully 38% of Fox segments were overwhelmingly positive in tone, more than double the 14% of segments that were negative. Still, stories were as likely to be neutral as positive (39%) and another 9% were multi-subject stories for which tone did not apply.

On CNN, in contrast, 41% of stories were neutral in tone on the 20 days studied, and positive and negative stories were almost equally likely – 20% positive, 23% negative. Some 15% were multi-faceted and not coded for tone.[/i]

Exactly.

The big complaint is that Fox reporters and anchors are offering opinions, and this contradicts their slogan.

I have to admit, I’m a little amused by this. We all sort of know that the whole “fair and balanced” thing is tongue and cheek at best. But check this out:

[i]Those findings seem to challenge Fox’s promotional marketing, particularly its slogan, “We Report. You Decide.”

Some observers might argue that opinions clearly offered as such are more honest than a slant subtly embedded in the sound bites selected or questions asked. But that was not the case here. Given the live formats on cable, the opinions of reporters and anchors are often embedded in questions or thrown in as asides. Only occasionally were they labeled as commentary.[/i]

Why does this invalidate the slogan? Because hearing David Asman say, “oh, that’s great news,” will so color my attitudes that I’ll be incapable of deciding the issue on my own, poor little sheep that I am?

Yeah, that’s me – and the rest of the American public.

Just no will of my own. And that’s David Asman. Mr. Charisma, he is.

Update: Just to prove there’s cherry picking going on here, take a look at the way Reuters (via Memeorandum) frames their coverage of the study – to them its about bias in election coverage, with a completely secondary mention of whether one network or the other is more or less positive in its war coverage. ( MyWay )

Meanwhile, these print outlets are entirely ignoring all of the study’s findings on print. Isn’t that interesting.

Has anyone other than TDA actually looked at the details of this study?

Looking at the numbers, it appears to me that it’s saying that MSBC and CNN are more neutral than biased. I’m not saying that this is the case, I’m just saying that the results of this particular study would seem to suggest that.

I base that on the ratio of positive to negative stories. 20%/23% for CNN and 16%/17% MSNBC, compared to 38%/14% on Fox.

I think that drawing any other conclusion from the above study clearly demonstrates the bias of the individual reaching that conclusion.

However, I think that based on the results of the 1981 study that Zeb alluded to in his earlier post, it would seem reasonable to conclude that the majority of the journalists are indeed left of center…this would seem to contradict the results of the more recent survey…unless of course the journalists are actually doing what they are supposed to, which is to be srupulously fair and objective.

[quote]soupandspoons wrote:
it would seem reasonable to conclude that the majority of the journalists are indeed left of center…this would seem to contradict the results of the more recent survey…unless of course the journalists are actually doing what they are supposed to, which is to be srupulously fair and objective.

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you only have to ask them. 90 odd percent of the washington press corps are registered “D”.
They’ve forgotten how to separate personal from professional. I dont’ care who they vote for, but slanted news gets old.

Just my .02 on the fact that some of you think it is the right idea to be MORE critical of someone in a position, rather than someone seeking that position. I believe that when someone is in a position, you get a general feel for what his abilities and characteristics are. You know what to expect from him, at least to some extent. He has a track record, this is what he should be measured on. The challenger, has no track record in the position he is seeking so therefore, other means of assigning value to him is necassary, including his performance on related jobs, his educational backround, his life experience etc…

So to speak the “new sheriff” in town is relatively unknown in comparison to the sitting “sheriff” and thus should be examined CLOSER than the sitting sheriff.

I think that the true teat of media bias will come out in 2008. This will be the first time since - geez I don’t know when - that there will be no incmumbant, or V.P. running for President. As such, we could see 2 relative newcomers to the game.

It will be interesting to see how the press treats them.

Vegita

I agree with your position. I think that Kerry was given almost a free pass by the liberla media.

Love him or hate him Bush doens’t have a gray are. He is black or white. That’s why the diplomats hate him.

Of course Kerry should have borne more scrutiny.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Vegita

I agree with your position. I think that Kerry was given almost a free pass by the liberla media.

Love him or hate him Bush doens’t have a gray are. He is black or white. That’s why the diplomats hate him.

Of course Kerry should have borne more scrutiny.[/quote]

It’s interesting that newsmax.com’s headline didn’t say what the survey actually said, that fox news was the most biased of all networks, other networks striving for neutrality.

Like I said before there is no bias.(except fox according to this survey)

And if those on the right like this info from Columbia School of Journalism, you could check out there media review site www.cjrdaily.com. Excerpt below:

“the testimony of the Swift Boat Veterans wasn’t ignored by the press. Indeed, even when the group was an unknown staging its first press conference last May, both CBS and Fox News attended and gave the event coverage. After the group’s first attack ad – timed to coincide with publication of O’Neill’s book – came out in August, there was a rush of media coverage, and the attack ad, which had appeared in only three states, suddenly seemed ubiquitous on the cable news channels. The nature of the coverage, much of it marred by misguided attempts to be “fair” to all sides, meant that the Swifties could lie with impunity. It was nowhere near “hostile” to them, as we made clear in August.”

And on “Bush is black or white”. It would be more accurate to say:
“Bush is black and white” on account he talks out both sides of his mouth.

[quote]100meters wrote:
And on “Bush is black or white”. It would be more accurate to say:
“Bush is black and white” on account he talks out both sides of his mouth.
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You are one funny sumbitch. Did you make that up all by yourself?

[quote]100meters wrote:
hedo wrote:
Vegita

I agree with your position. I think that Kerry was given almost a free pass by the liberla media.

Love him or hate him Bush doens’t have a gray are. He is black or white. That’s why the diplomats hate him.

Of course Kerry should have borne more scrutiny.

It’s interesting that newsmax.com’s headline didn’t say what the survey actually said, that fox news was the most biased of all networks, other networks striving for neutrality.

Like I said before there is no bias.(except fox according to this survey)

And if those on the right like this info from Columbia School of Journalism, you could check out there media review site www.cjrdaily.com. Excerpt below:

“the testimony of the Swift Boat Veterans wasn’t ignored by the press. Indeed, even when the group was an unknown staging its first press conference last May, both CBS and Fox News attended and gave the event coverage. After the group’s first attack ad – timed to coincide with publication of O’Neill’s book – came out in August, there was a rush of media coverage, and the attack ad, which had appeared in only three states, suddenly seemed ubiquitous on the cable news channels. The nature of the coverage, much of it marred by misguided attempts to be “fair” to all sides, meant that the Swifties could lie with impunity. It was nowhere near “hostile” to them, as we made clear in August.”

And on “Bush is black or white”. It would be more accurate to say:

“Bush is black and white” on account he talks out both sides of his mouth.

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Where? I went to that site and looked all over it. I searched under swift vets and under media study. Find me the actual link to the story, please. Cause I pretty much am calling bullshit on you. I dont believe the CJR site said the swifties were lying with impunity.

Veg,

You raise an interesting point, but I’ll stick by my original thought so far.

  1. Both parties should be scrutinized due to election coverage.

  2. The sitting administration should be scrutinized due to actions and policies.

The sitting party has more things going on, more actions taken, more results to look into. It’s where the real action is. During an election, the election is not the only thing on… even though it might seem unfair.

This is only my opinion. Form your own, I don’t care.

[quote]vroom wrote:

This is only my opinion. Form your own, I don’t care.[/quote]

you canadian lib types are so charitable!
How can we ever thank you???

[quote]100meters wrote:
hedo wrote:
Vegita

I agree with your position. I think that Kerry was given almost a free pass by the liberla media.

Love him or hate him Bush doens’t have a gray are. He is black or white. That’s why the diplomats hate him.

Of course Kerry should have borne more scrutiny.

It’s interesting that newsmax.com’s headline didn’t say what the survey actually said, that fox news was the most biased of all networks, other networks striving for neutrality.

Like I said before there is no bias.(except fox according to this survey)

And if those on the right like this info from Columbia School of Journalism, you could check out there media review site www.cjrdaily.com. Excerpt below:

“the testimony of the Swift Boat Veterans wasn’t ignored by the press. Indeed, even when the group was an unknown staging its first press conference last May, both CBS and Fox News attended and gave the event coverage. After the group’s first attack ad – timed to coincide with publication of O’Neill’s book – came out in August, there was a rush of media coverage, and the attack ad, which had appeared in only three states, suddenly seemed ubiquitous on the cable news channels. The nature of the coverage, much of it marred by misguided attempts to be “fair” to all sides, meant that the Swifties could lie with impunity. It was nowhere near “hostile” to them, as we made clear in August.”

And on “Bush is black or white”. It would be more accurate to say:
“Bush is black and white” on account he talks out both sides of his mouth.

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Ok son. What exactly has Bush taken both sides of a postion on? Try answering this without plagerizing A DNC talking point.

Come on you want to argue with men start acting like one.

[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Where? I went to that site and looked all over it. I searched under swift vets and under media study. Find me the actual link to the story, please. Cause I pretty much am calling bullshit on you. I dont believe the CJR site said the swifties were lying with impunity.[/quote]

good lord!
www.cjrdaily.com
scroll down,down,down till you see

Spin Buster (dated march 15)

for not finding it I’ll pretty much be calling B.S. on you joe weider

Just want to say though that I have no problem with biased news as there is no such thing as being objective. Anyone who pretends to be objective is a lying son of a bitch.

In an actually working democracy you would have different viewpoints from across the spectrum. Instead we have FOX and hate radio with their rightwing bias, and then all the rest who pretend to be objective. And pretty much nothing for the actual leftwing except the internet.

This is not surprising as mainstream media is all about the money and no billionaires want to advocate having their property redistributed.