Liberal Bias In Media Exposed..Again

[quote]Professor X wrote:
It also brings up the possibility that those who see a liberal bias do so because they feel any negative light shown on the story in those two instances was an afront to what they believe in.

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I forgot to address this point. This study didn’t involve a bunch of conservatives picking out what they didn’t like in the coverage. It was graduate students in journalism classifying stories about Kerry, about Bush, and about Iraq as either “positive”, “negative” or “neutral” and compiling overall statistics. While this is necessarily somewhat subjective (which I have pointed out previously), your comment above is inapplicable. It is similarly inapplicable to the previous studies.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Just keep an eye on the coverage of the social security issue. If there are as many stories about the negatives of what would happen in the future if nothing were done to fix social security as there are negative stories about the possibilities of what could go wrong with a given plan then you’ll at least have some good info on one issue that would back up your idea, since the info from this study doesn’t. But I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you…[/quote]

I have seen many commercials, no doubt backed by the current administration, about the damage the current system of SS will cause in the future. I haven’t seen any discussing what could possibly go wrong by changing the system (though there may be). It seems there is quite a push for that form of change in SS. It has gotten to the point that I am now wondering why so much is needed on the issue. If it truly makes sense, then present the plan instead of propoganda about how the economy will fail if we don’t fix it NOW.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have seen many commercials, no doubt backed by the current administration, about the damage the current system of SS will cause in the future. I haven’t seen any discussing what could possibly go wrong by changing the system (though there may be). It seems there is quite a push for that form of change in SS. It has gotten to the point that I am now wondering why so much is needed on the issue. If it truly makes sense, then present the plan instead of propoganda about how the economy will fail if we don’t fix it NOW.
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Could be a response to all of the negative press put forth by the liberal media. Could also be a response to some groups who have formed to fight against President Bush’s SS reform bill.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

Just keep an eye on the coverage of the social security issue. If there are as many stories about the negatives of what would happen in the future if nothing were done to fix social security as there are negative stories about the possibilities of what could go wrong with a given plan then you’ll at least have some good info on one issue that would back up your idea, since the info from this study doesn’t. But I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you…

Professor X wrote:
I have seen many commercials, no doubt backed by the current administration, about the damage the current system of SS will cause in the future. I haven’t seen any discussing what could possibly go wrong by changing the system (though there may be). It seems there is quite a push for that form of change in SS. It has gotten to the point that I am now wondering why so much is needed on the issue. If it truly makes sense, then present the plan instead of propoganda about how the economy will fail if we don’t fix it NOW.
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What do paid commercials have to do with news coverage?

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
What do paid commercials have to do with news coverage?[/quote]

(sniff…sniff…sniff) - Smells like straw to me, BB. But I could be wrong.

Rainjack and Boston,

ProX changes the question when he doesn’t like it. Despite numerous attempts to convince him that the criticism of straight news and not op-eds, news analysis, or political advertisements, he continues to focus on these as examples of bias.

Moreover, as Boston continues to point out, as for determining bias in media, respective institutions conducting studies are not going to examine news coverage of basketball scores or weather reports. They are naturally going to see how the straight news media reacts when it is confronted with the challenge of reporting objectively on politically charged events like the Iraq war. That would be the ultimate determinant of whether the straight news media can do its job when it is needed the most. The more contentious and political the issue, the more necessary that the media do its job and get it right. Examining how the media does its job during the Iraq war is exactly the best way to try and examine bias - because the reporters and editors are at their fever pitch with opinions. Can they set aside those opinions and deliver the news?

As I said earlier, I think political bias is overblown, but I think it exists.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
As I said earlier, I think political bias is overblown, but I think it exists.[/quote]

With that said, it is more than possible that it is not only overblown, but that counting negative statements alone in order to show a bias leaves out the possibility that there were actually more negative things to report on one party than the other. I have yet to understand why that is not a possibility to any of you. Why is it that many of you believe that the majority of all news is liberally biased when the only place you claim to find it blatantly apparent is during the last election and Iraq war coverage? It never crossed your mind that there was simply more negative news on Bush? Could it perhaps be possible that there was more going on in a negative light concerning actions this adminstrations committed?

Defining Bias Downward
Holding Political Power to Account Is Not Some Liberal Plot

Reed Irvine, the energetic liberal-bias hunter who died November 16 at eighty-two, wasn’t always wrong. Irvine founded Accuracy in Media, the conservative press watchdog group, thirty-five years ago. He was stone blind to his own prejudices, and he could be scurrilous and unfair in his attacks, but he knew something about our major media, most of them based in the urban capitals of what we now call blue states and influenced, naturally, by their context.

Irvine must have been amazed in the end by all the company he had: well-financed bias-busters, slews of books, think tanks, and radio and television icons, all singing his song. This has had the good effect of waking some left-tilting journalists to their sometimes unconscious leanings, pushing them to challenge their presumptions and broaden their reporting. It has had the bad effect of making other journalists afraid of their own shadow, for fear of the bias cops. And now there’s a new challenge.

In the wake of the election the bias symphony is reaching for a crescendo. The new refrain goes this way: aside from John Kerry, the election’s other loser was mainstream media. George W. Bush, the theory goes, won despite the strenuous efforts of the press to bring him down. Here’s an example of this view, from Tim Graham of National Review Online:

Every anti-Bush angle . . . was explored with great ferocity. Almost every week of 2004 was a bad media week for Bush. There was Paul O’Neill Book Week. There was 9/11 Ads in Bad Taste Week. There was Richard Clarke Book Week. There was Bob Woodward Book Week. There were two weeks of Alabama National Guard Whereabouts Hunt. There were four weeks of Abu Ghraib hype . . .

What’s disturbing is not the way that Graham is whining into his champagne but his little two-step away from reality. He and others are defining bias downward, as anything that challenges a GOP point of view.

When a Republican former treasury secretary publicly parts company with his president on economic policy, that’s a legitimate story fit for national discussion. Ditto for a book by a top antiterrorism expert who seriously argues that the administration is blowing the war on terror. Ditto for the need for some attention to the work of Woodward, a quality reporter on the insider perspective (and whose book on the run-up to the war was carefully balanced). An effort to map the young George Bush’s record in the Guard, unknown to this day? That’s legitimate, too - if, of course, it’s done right. Abu Ghraib? It was an insult to America’s commitment to morality that, if anything, has been undercovered. One can have a legitimate debate about the weight that ought to be given to stories such as these but to suggest they should not be aggressively reported is to slip away from the world of real discourse.

So now what? The prospect of four years of competition for the dominant version of reality on all things political is not only depressing - like being tied in a chair in front of an endless loop of Crossfire - but worrisome, because endlessly dueling versions of reality are ultimately unstable. Without some rough agreement on what is significant, citizens will not get the intellectually honest debate that citizenship requires. Journalists, whatever their inner political leanings, must work harder at being honest brokers of information, worthy of respect.

Honest conservatives, meanwhile, should consider a pair of New Year’s resolutions: first, recognize that challenging political power and holding it to account is the legitimate role of the press in a democracy, not some liberal plot. Second, swear off defining any story that is uncomfortable to you as an example of liberal bias. Such a tactic probably won’t work in the long run, anyway. As somebody once noted, facts are stubborn things.

http://www.cjr.org/issues/2005/1/editorial.asp

Wait, JusttheFacts posts an anti-conspiracy article. Priceless. The fact that absolutely no one has been arguing for a liberal conspiracy only makes it more amusing.

ProX,

“…but that counting negative statements alone in order to show a bias leaves out the possibility that there were actually more negative things to report on one party than the other.”

This has been repeated ad nauseum, but I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that a mere hard count of ‘bad’ statements versus ‘good’ statements is the determining factor.

There are previous threads that talk about journalists’ admitted political affiliations. We have have had two major news networks have to fire or ask to step down major officials because of anti-administration news presentation flapdoodles.

This study just keeps adding fuel to the fire.

“…the only place you claim to find it blatantly apparent is during the last election and Iraq war coverage?”

Only place? See above. Many times. It’s not just that coverage, it’s just that the nature of those events brings out the worst in undisciplined straight news journalists who want their reporting to make a political difference.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Only place? See above. Many times. It’s not just that coverage, it’s just that the nature of those events brings out the worst in undisciplined straight news journalists who want their reporting to make a political difference.

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Then where’s the rest? I do believe that is what I have been asking about since BB first responded to me in this thread. If news reporters have been asked to step down…doesn’t that make it seem like they are trying to be more objective?

JTF,

“…first, recognize that challenging political power and holding it to account is the legitimate role of the press in a democracy, not some liberal plot.”

Actually, there is the problem. The press is not supposed to ‘hold power accountable’. It is supposed to get the news and let educated citizens make up their minds - and citizens ‘hold power accountable’ at the ballot box.

Here’s why - assuming that’s what the press should do, journalists are going to give a pass to those in power they agree with. They are going to dig like maniacs for dirt when the guy they didn’t vote for gets in office, but when a guy they did vote for wins, they aren’t going to try to ‘hold him accountable’ with the same kind of zeal.

Especially given the dominance of liberals among journalists. You think a liberal President would get the same kind of scrutiny? Btw, were conservatives dominant in journalism, I’d say the same thing - it applies to both sides of the aisle. That job cannot be done responsibly.

This arrangement requires journalists to make political judgments they are not qualified to do in their job.

That’s the mentality that’s in place and it has been since the late 60s - and that is why the quality of journalism is lower.

The press shouldn’t back off of a story that undermines a government official, nor should they try and exaggerate in order to achieve a political effect.

The press should be, to the best of its ability, a neutral arbiter between government and the people who vote. Get the news, let us decide. The press is not an institution that should decide for us.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
As I said earlier, I think political bias is overblown, but I think it exists.

With that said, it is more than possible that it is not only overblown, but that counting negative statements alone in order to show a bias leaves out the possibility that there were actually more negative things to report on one party than the other. I have yet to understand why that is not a possibility to any of you. Why is it that many of you believe that the majority of all news is liberally biased when the only place you claim to find it blatantly apparent is during the last election and Iraq war coverage? It never crossed your mind that there was simply more negative news on Bush? Could it perhaps be possible that there was more going on in a negative light concerning actions this adminstrations committed? [/quote]

Prof,

WIthout repeating myself again concerning the use of Iraq and the election – because I guess you just don’t want to acknowledge that the reason for the focus is that those were the events of this study, and this study has been the focus of this thread, and apparently you don’t want to go back and look up the other threads – since you yourself have conceded that the country was divided on these issues, and since there were many positive stories available – in fact, there was a column in the Wall Street Journal online devoted to culling the positive stories overlooked from Iraq and Afghanistan, don’t you find the fact that coverage was so slanted to the negative to be troubling? For awhile I was actually posting stories on a thread when I thought they demonstrated liberal bias – you can go look that thread up too. It’s not a study, but it was a sample of what I was finding in news articles.

So we have this Columbia School of Journalism Study – not a study put out by a conservative group, but by a relatively liberal j-school – that puts forth a decent study, given the inherent limitations of studying this subject, that powerfully demonstrates a bias toward the liberal perspective on the two major issues in the news over the past year that would be subject to a liberal bias. The previous studies have demonstrated a strong (just over 90%) concentration of Democratic voters in the national media. Another study tried to measure the political leanings of stories, and put Fox slightly to the right of center and all the other networds to the left of center. You don’t like any of the evidence from this study, you don’t want to recall the others, and you don’t like the implications, but you don’t have any evidence to the contrary, and you don’t have common sense on your side.

Common sense would say that just taking the fact that a large majority of the national news reporters are Democrats and have personal liberal beliefs on major issues would imply that their perspective would be the one that came through most strongly in their stories, even if they thought they were making a good effort to keep it out. Without balance from an editor or someone else with the other perspective, you merely have an echo chamber. The current study is just a confirmation of that common sense.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
So we have this Columbia School of Journalism Study – not a study put out by a conservative group, but by a relatively liberal j-school – that puts forth a decent study, given the inherent limitations of studying this subject, that powerfully demonstrates a bias toward the liberal perspective on the two major issues in the news over the past year that would be subject to a liberal bias. [/quote]

I understand your point, BB. The question is, do you understand mine? Why is it not a possibility that there were simply more negative actions and cicumstances surrounding one party than the other? Please, could you just answer this question? Why is this NOT a possibility to you? Did you see the question that time? I could type it again if you want.

No one is bypassing your study. I am, however questioning it. I know you aren’t stupid and hopefully you don’t see me that way. Why is your opinion better than mine?

The study doesn’t say:“… powerfully demonstrates a bias toward the liberal perspective on the two major issues in the news over the past year that would be subject to a liberal bias.”

it says:

Over all, across all media studied, stories about the war were just slightly more likely to carry a clearly negative tone than a positive one (25% negative versus 20% positive). The majority of stories, however, had no decided tone at all. The largest number, 35%, were neutral, and another 20% were about multiple subjects for which tone did not apply.

Thats’ 75 percent of the coverage being neutral,positive, or tone not applying.Versus:

Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air. The news channel was also decidedly more positive in its coverage of the war in Iraq, while the others were largely neutral.

The fact that more media people are liberal only goes to show the extreme effort in being neutral,(because of fear of exposing their liberal bias perhaps?) an effort not taken by FOX according to this study.

And as for the coverage of the president, What was the bias when the media went after clinton, and when the media destroyed, and lampooned Gore?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
So we have this Columbia School of Journalism Study – not a study put out by a conservative group, but by a relatively liberal j-school – that puts forth a decent study, given the inherent limitations of studying this subject, that powerfully demonstrates a bias toward the liberal perspective on the two major issues in the news over the past year that would be subject to a liberal bias.

I understand your point, BB. The question is, do you understand mine? Why is it not a possibility that there were simply more negative actions and cicumstances surrounding one party than the other? Please, could you just answer this question? Why is this NOT a possibility to you? Did you see the question that time? I could type it again if you want.

No one is bypassing your study. I am, however questioning it. I know you aren’t stupid and hopefully you don’t see me that way. Why is your opinion better than mine?
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Prof,

I see your point. I’m not saying that it is necessarily, provably wrong. In fact, any attempt to do a study on your point would be next to impossible because of the scope involved, and the near impossibility of classifying the actual events into “positive”, “negative”, or “neutral” – it’s much easier to do with the coverage of the event. Whole books are written about single events, and they still argue about them.

Basically, I’m saying the balance of the logic and the facts here points the other way from your preferred interpretation.

[quote]100meters wrote:

The study doesn’t say:“… powerfully demonstrates a bias toward the liberal perspective on the two major issues in the news over the past year that would be subject to a liberal bias.”

it says:

Over all, across all media studied, stories about the war were just slightly more likely to carry a clearly negative tone than a positive one (25% negative versus 20% positive). The majority of stories, however, had no decided tone at all. The largest number, 35%, were neutral, and another 20% were about multiple subjects for which tone did not apply.

Thats’ 75 percent of the coverage being neutral,positive, or tone not applying.Versus:

Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air. The news channel was also decidedly more positive in its coverage of the war in Iraq, while the others were largely neutral.

The fact that more media people are liberal only goes to show the extreme effort in being neutral,(because of fear of exposing their liberal bias perhaps?) an effort not taken by FOX according to this study.

And as for the coverage of the president, What was the bias when the media went after clinton, and when the media destroyed, and lampooned Gore?
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100meters I know what the study says.

Did you see my earlier critique of the methodology with respect to the Fox model in terms of measuring when there was “newscaster opinion”?

BTW, why don’t you go into the study and look at the network breakdown on the stories?

As to your last point, this study concerned itself with the last year, so, no, it’s not going to measure coverage of Clinton and Gore. Why don’t you go do your own historical study and come back, rather than going off on a tangent. Or perhaps find one that purports to demonstrate a bias against Clinton and/or Gore? Any one will do.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
So we have this Columbia School of Journalism Study – not a study put out by a conservative group, but by a relatively liberal j-school – that puts forth a decent study, given the inherent limitations of studying this subject, that powerfully demonstrates a bias toward the liberal perspective on the two major issues in the news over the past year that would be subject to a liberal bias.

I understand your point, BB. The question is, do you understand mine? Why is it not a possibility that there were simply more negative actions and cicumstances surrounding one party than the other? Please, could you just answer this question? Why is this NOT a possibility to you? Did you see the question that time? I could type it again if you want.

No one is bypassing your study. I am, however questioning it. I know you aren’t stupid and hopefully you don’t see me that way. Why is your opinion better than mine?
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Prof,

One thing I wanted to tease out more from my prior response. The fact that most big events are arguable to me says that, absent bias, you should get neutral or relatively balanced coverage – by relatively balanced I mean the same number of positive and negative stories. The fact that the stats on coverage are skewed seems good evidence of the fact one perspective is more represented. Combine that with the expectation created from the overwhelming majority of party/viewpoint representation, and it seems to create a rebuttable presumption of liberal bias (by rebuttable I mean subject to counter agrument and further evidence, as in not a scientific law but the best conclusion available from the current facts).

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Prof,

One thing I wanted to tease out more from my prior response. The fact that most big events are arguable to me says that, absent bias, you should get neutral or relatively balanced coverage – by relatively balanced I mean the same number of positive and negative stories. The fact that the stats on coverage are skewed seems good evidence of the fact one perspective is more represented. Combine that with the expectation created from the overwhelming majority of party/viewpoint representation, and it seems to create a rebuttable presumption of liberal bias (by rebuttable I mean subject to counter agrument and further evidence, as in not a scientific law but the best conclusion available from the current facts).[/quote]

Then we simply disagree because my perspective is, there was a lot going on that was negative during that time period. Therefore, presenting the negative, as the media so often does, does not represent a bias. If anything, ignoring or downplaying the negative, like Fox often seems to do, would make THEM the subject of your critique.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Prof,

One thing I wanted to tease out more from my prior response. The fact that most big events are arguable to me says that, absent bias, you should get neutral or relatively balanced coverage – by relatively balanced I mean the same number of positive and negative stories. The fact that the stats on coverage are skewed seems good evidence of the fact one perspective is more represented. Combine that with the expectation created from the overwhelming majority of party/viewpoint representation, and it seems to create a rebuttable presumption of liberal bias (by rebuttable I mean subject to counter agrument and further evidence, as in not a scientific law but the best conclusion available from the current facts).

Then we simply disagree because my perspective is, there was a lot going on that was negative during that time period. Therefore, presenting the negative, as the media so often does, does not represent a bias. If anything, ignoring or downplaying the negative, like Fox often seems to do, would make THEM the subject of your critique.[/quote]

We’re going to go in a circle because I am going to say that one of the reasons you perceive there was so much negativity going on is because that’s what came through in the news coverage.

ADDENDUM: I want to add that this is why it’s important to focus on the underlying rationale – the simple fact of a large majority of liberals and/or Democrats producing the news would set up a rebuttable presumption that their bias would carry through. This particular study seems to buttress that presumption. Your only critique is your general perception that the reason there were a lot of negative stories was because there was a lot of negative news, but that just sets up the chicken/egg-type problem I described above.