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[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

I would consider the G20 summit protests an unfair comparison. People were smashing windows, vandalizing property and a a cop car was set ablaze.

Even if they were looking for a response why give them one? What about their actions warranted a response?

Would you have felt disturbed if you were at the memorial and saw people dancing around the statue? [/quote]

I wasn’t comparing these guys to every G20 protester - especially not the “black bloc” types setting police cars ablaze. I was referring more to the passive-aggressive types who refused to move during crowd control procedures, ie: sitting on the sidewalk because it’s a “free country”, refusing to move when asked calmly by police, etc. All the while being filmed by friends so they can post on their blogs how their rights have been violated.

Their dancing and kissing wouldn’t have bothered me at all, but this is irrelevant. They’re entering a monument with a specific set of basic, easy to follow rules (ie: Don’t be disruptive and don’t act like a stupid dipshit) and they’re flagrantly breaking them in order to draw attention to themselves. If you want to dance and kiss, do it outside the monument. Easy.

(If they were carrying on as they were in a public park or other such area, and the police responded in the manner they did, I would be disgusted.) [/quote]

Exactly. They did it on purpose… they knew they would get arrested doing it, and they knew it would look ridiculous on youtube so they went for it.

If you are going to get arrested protesting for something to try to generate a lot of exposure, if you were serious about your cause you would do it for something that counts.

They easily could have worn t shirts for (insert policy here) and said they were protesting XYZ, but nope, “disobey” t-shirts, let’s be jerks and get arrested and call the police tyrants because we are breaking rules to fight the power. It’s like a telling a 5 year old not to stick his grubby hand into a birthday cake and he does it anyway because you told him not to.

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I saw this video and my initial reaction was the sentiment expressed by most people on this thread. However after the emotions subsided i agree with sexMachine for the most part. With the exception of his “left wing” comment because that was just a broad generalization with neither logic nor fact to support it.

I don’t see how anyone’s freedom of speech rights were violated. There is a certain code of conduct depending on the venue. I have the right to counsel and proper representation but i can’t step foot in a court room with a baseball hat. It doesn’t mean i can’t wear a baseball hat on the streets or at the mall. It just means i can’t wear a baseball hat in the court room.

I may be able to dance around at a Mc Donalds restaurant but i know of restaurants where if you decide to get up during your entree and bust out the lambada they will simply ask you to sit down or leave. If you decide not to leave then the manager reserve the right to use force.

We can’t yell bomb on a plane but that doesn’t mean we can’t yell the word at all. Going to this museum is not a necessity, you know when you enter there you cannot express PDA so stay the fuck out.

I do think the officers were excessive but all actions excluding the hugging and kissing were done to provoke a response. Had these officers not arrested the individuals kissing those other idiots would not have spontaneously bust a move in the absence of music.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

LOL

so somehow dancing in front a statue will eventually lead to public nudity and flag burning?

If they had done something ACTUALLY illegal then sure arrest them.[/quote]

Facetious and wrong. They broke the law. How? The US court of appeals explanation is seventeen pages long. Suffice it to say that the court interprets the law not you and it has done so. These officers are there to preserve an air of ‘reverence’. It’s their job. They were correctly found to be in the right by a three judge panel court of appeal.

Ruling:

http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/748BE2DE8AF2A2A485257893004E07FC/$file/10-5078-1308285.pdf[/quote]

Ruling?

It happened yesterday.
[/quote]

My mistake. I thought this was video of the exact same incident that occured in 2008 and was ruled on recently. Regardless, the ruling has been made, the law interpreted and the stupid dancing found to be illegal.

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I’m going to go to the 9/11 memorial and break dance all over that mother fucker. But hey, its a free country right?

I’m with pimpbot and angus on this one. They said it best so I won’t repeat what they have already pointed out.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

LOL

so somehow dancing in front a statue will eventually lead to public nudity and flag burning?

If they had done something ACTUALLY illegal then sure arrest them.[/quote]

Facetious and wrong. They broke the law. How? The US court of appeals explanation is seventeen pages long. Suffice it to say that the court interprets the law not you and it has done so. These officers are there to preserve an air of ‘reverence’. It’s their job. They were correctly found to be in the right by a three judge panel court of appeal.

Ruling:

http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/748BE2DE8AF2A2A485257893004E07FC/$file/10-5078-1308285.pdf[/quote]

Ruling?

It happened yesterday.
[/quote]

My mistake. I thought this was video of the exact same incident that occured in 2008 and was ruled on recently. Regardless, the ruling has been made, the law interpreted and the stupid dancing found to be illegal.[/quote]

Yeah, the people in the video heard the ruling and this was their “protest”. They knew what they were getting into.

And instead of holding a peaceful protest in front of the memorial, they decided to all go into the memorial and resist arrest and make a scene and put in on youtube, as if this act of idiocy is somehow going to get the court reverse their decision.

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Fuck the police!

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:
I may be able to dance around at a Mc Donalds restaurant but i know of restaurants where if you decide to get up during your entree and bust out the lambada they will simply ask you to sit down or leave. If you decide not to leave then the manager reserve the right to use force.
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The difference is that McDonalds is a private business, the Jefferson Memorial is funded by tax payers.

It’s just like banning smoking in public parks, while I don’t smoke, I don’t think that a tax payer who smokes should not be allowed to enjoy his tax dollars hard at work while enjoying a smoke.

“If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” - Thomas Jefferson

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
This video was an obvious set-up. The people went there to provoke this response with a camera ready and filming. This is a common tactic of left-wing wasters. This is part of what they do instead of working for a living.
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Left-wing? You’re an ass. I’m left wing (proudly) and I work for a living. ALL my left-wing friends work. You think no right-wingers would disagree with the cops’ actions?

Well, maybe you’re right. They’re all to busy taking the day off of work to attend a teabagger rally.
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Ok, first. Fuck you ID.
Second. Fuck you sexmachine.

You both don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

I’ll give you a little hint tho, those were not left wing protesters.

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[quote]wigsa wrote:
What a fucking retarded country.It managed to lower my opinion of the nation even more,which I didn’t think was possible.[/quote]

y u tink we r retarted???

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[quote]waldo21212 wrote:

[quote]angus_beef wrote:
I may be able to dance around at a Mc Donalds restaurant but i know of restaurants where if you decide to get up during your entree and bust out the lambada they will simply ask you to sit down or leave. If you decide not to leave then the manager reserve the right to use force.
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The difference is that McDonalds is a private business, the Jefferson Memorial is funded by tax payers.

It’s just like banning smoking in public parks, while I don’t smoke, I don’t think that a tax payer who smokes should not be allowed to enjoy his tax dollars hard at work while enjoying a smoke.

“If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.” - Thomas Jefferson
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Cause smoking affects everyone around the smoker.

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[quote]John S. wrote:

I’ll give you a little hint tho, those were not left wing protesters.[/quote]

…Not rocking a hat / mustache combo like that… :smiley:

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[quote]PAINTRAINDave wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:

I’ll give you a little hint tho, those were not left wing protesters.[/quote]

…Not rocking a hat / mustache combo like that… :smiley: [/quote]

LOL

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Fuck the police![/quote]

Yeah until you need them right? Then you call 911 like a bitch and ask for help. Fucking waster.

NOTE: ‘Left-wing’ and ‘Right-wing’ are really meaningless terms that are interchangeable. I just happen to use ‘left-wing’ in the commonly understood sense: i.e. Anti-American traitors like Adam Kokesh and the Code Pink group.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]John S. wrote:
Fuck the police![/quote]

Yeah until you need them right? Then you call 911 like a bitch and ask for help. Fucking waster.

NOTE: ‘Left-wing’ and ‘Right-wing’ are really meaningless terms that are interchangeable. I just happen to use ‘left-wing’ in the commonly understood sense: i.e. Anti-American traitors like Adam Kokesh and the Code Pink group.[/quote]

I have only called the police once, and that was to report a break in so my insurance company would give me replacement value. If it was not a requirement of my insurance company I would have never called them.

Fuck the Police.

In my town we had to replace the whole police department because they went into the evidence room and stole all the money and drugs. Stand up fellows those cops are. Most cops are nothing more then people who got the shit kicked out of them in highschool and are now on a power trip.

So I will say again. Fuck the Police.

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June 4th is the next dance party at the Jefferson Memorial

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If Jefferson was alive he would have joined in with them.

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This comes from Reddit:

People who disobey scare you. People who disagree with you scare you. People who are unafraid from the tyranny of obeying pointless rules scare you. They scare you because they do not cower in fear when the thunderous voice of your masters arbitrarily demands it.

You wish you could be like them, but the terror injected in you through repeated abuse – being beaten, yelled at, disqualified, humiliated, told what to do without regard to your preference, punished – prevents you from even conceiving right and wrong on your own; you have been tamed into doing solely what master graciously permitted. The orders of master = good. Anything contravening the orders of master = bad. When master users violence = peace. When the slaves resist = violence.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]challer1 wrote:
I’m pretty sure they are at the Jefferson Memorial, where there is a precedent (Judge Rules Against Jefferson Memorial Dancer | DCist) that you aren’t supposed to be disruptive (i.e. dance). They knew exactly what sort of response they were going to get when they did that.[/quote]

Exactly. They were deliberately breaking the law which prohibits any action that interferes with ‘an atmosphere of calm, tranquility, and reverence’. Fuck them. Hope they’re all convicted.[/quote]

Totally agree. They were intentionally trying to be provocative (if it wasn’t all staged).

For the most part, if your not being an idiot your not going to get arrested.

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Dancing and kissing. Pfffffffffffff

There is something WRONG with the people that stand behind a VIOLENT REACTION to KISSING and DANCING! It’s a memorial site, not someones funeral.

Handcuffs! Throwing a guy on the ground and CHOKING him!

Are you people insane?

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[quote]Quick Ben wrote:
Dancing and kissing. Pfffffffffffff

There is something WRONG with the people that stand behind a VIOLENT REACTION to KISSING and DANCING! It’s a memorial site, not someones funeral.

Handcuffs! Throwing a guy on the ground and CHOKING him!

Are you people insane?[/quote]

They questioned the arbitrary rules of their overlords.

They were practically terrorists.