Kids Throwing Rocks at US Troops

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
billy martin wrote:
Oh yeah…we are popular we saved europe from becoming a huge extermination camp… once again america steps up to save someone.

Billy, Billy, Billy, I very much doubt you have ever saved your pet hamster, let alone a human being. You can’t get credit for saving Europe.[/quote]

I’ve been in the military, yes (we the US) HAVE SAVED YOU TWICE from facism, or maybe you would have liked it if we didn’t come over. AUSLANDER RAUS, one of your slogans. Hamsters probably need to be saved from you. Count your blessings you gained what you have today from our military.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
kroby wrote:
You seem to be under the impression that those bases are on foreign ground without their expressed request. They are there by invitation. Security and economic considerations to the host country are the reasons that there are bases around the world. When a request to depart their lands comes, the base and all it’s personnel evacuate.

What was your point, unbending?

Kroby, while I’m sure they are there by invitation, the US does exert coercion through economic means and so forth. People, including Canada, pays a price when it does not toe the US line on things like Iraq, for example.

Please don’t equate my comment with me having a problem with US bases worldwide, but do realize it is naive to assume that people are really willing to piss off the US and deal with trade issues and political interference that are likely to result.[/quote]

We have the largest trade deficit in our history. I really don’t think trade sanctions is the scary stick it used to be, nor does it occur nearly as often as you are insinuating.

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[quote]vroom wrote:

Kroby, while I’m sure they are there by invitation, the US does exert coercion through economic means and so forth. People, including Canada, pays a price when it does not toe the US line on things like Iraq, for example.[/quote]

The US has a military base in Canada? Wow. I learned something today.

Are you suggesting that by going against the wishes of the US, the local US base will open up and attack the host country? Is this the fear that results in “cooperation?”

And here I thought Condi Rice actually had a job. I thought it was her position that exerts force (interferences politically and economically) on foreign countries.

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[quote]billy martin wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
billy martin wrote:
Oh yeah…we are popular we saved europe from becoming a huge extermination camp… once again america steps up to save someone.

Billy, Billy, Billy, I very much doubt you have ever saved your pet hamster, let alone a human being. You can’t get credit for saving Europe.

I’ve been in the military, yes (we the US) HAVE SAVED YOU TWICE from facism, or maybe you would have liked it if we didn’t come over. AUSLANDER RAUS, one of your slogans. Hamsters probably need to be saved from you. Count your blessings you gained what you have today from our military.
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You still can’t be credited for past acts of war heroism. I have no wish to discredit american actions in WWII, but you have nothing to do with it. Maybe your grandpa did.
How is auslander raus my slogan?

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
billy martin wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
billy martin wrote:
Oh yeah…we are popular we saved europe from becoming a huge extermination camp… once again america steps up to save someone.

Billy, Billy, Billy, I very much doubt you have ever saved your pet hamster, let alone a human being. You can’t get credit for saving Europe.

I’ve been in the military, yes (we the US) HAVE SAVED YOU TWICE from facism, or maybe you would have liked it if we didn’t come over. AUSLANDER RAUS, one of your slogans. Hamsters probably need to be saved from you. Count your blessings you gained what you have today from our military.

Not you in general… I was watching a special on hate groups in western europe, germany mostly. so i grouped you all together, i was just joking. what we are doing over there hopefully has a positive ending, it took alittle while for europe to get back after the war. this may take them quite a while.
You still can’t be credited for past acts of war heroism. I have no wish to discredit american actions in WWII, but you have nothing to do with it. Maybe your grandpa did.
How is auslander raus my slogan?

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
billy martin wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
billy martin wrote:
Oh yeah…we are popular we saved europe from becoming a huge extermination camp… once again america steps up to save someone.

Billy, Billy, Billy, I very much doubt you have ever saved your pet hamster, let alone a human being. You can’t get credit for saving Europe.

I’ve been in the military, yes (we the US) HAVE SAVED YOU TWICE from facism, or maybe you would have liked it if we didn’t come over. AUSLANDER RAUS, one of your slogans. Hamsters probably need to be saved from you. Count your blessings you gained what you have today from our military.

You still can’t be credited for past acts of war heroism. I have no wish to discredit american actions in WWII, but you have nothing to do with it. Maybe your grandpa did.
How is auslander raus my slogan?

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Not you in general… I was watching a special on hate groups in western europe, germany mostly. so i grouped you all together, i was just joking. what we are doing over there hopefully has a positive ending, it took alittle while for europe to get back after the war. this may take them quite a while

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
You still can’t be credited for past acts of war heroism. I have no wish to discredit american actions in WWII, but you have nothing to do with it. Maybe your grandpa did.
How is auslander raus my slogan?

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What difference does it make when your ass wa spared, or who spared it?

The fact remains that, were it not for the intervention of the US - and the US alone - you would have exterminated an entire race of people and would be flying the Russian flag over you land.

It does not go as far back as WWII. It extends only as far back as the last american soldier to bunk in a NATO base.

The US changed the course of history when the rest of the world was far too weak to do anything.

For that alone - you need to shut the fuck up if you have nothing better to bitch about.

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…scroll down for the official figures and percentages…

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:
You still can’t be credited for past acts of war heroism. I have no wish to discredit american actions in WWII, but you have nothing to do with it. Maybe your grandpa did.
How is auslander raus my slogan?

What difference does it make when your ass wa spared, or who spared it?

The fact remains that, were it not for the intervention of the US - and the US alone - you would have exterminated an entire race of people and would be flying the Russian flag over you land.

It does not go as far back as WWII. It extends only as far back as the last american soldier to bunk in a NATO base.

The US changed the course of history when the rest of the world was far too weak to do anything.

For that alone - you need to shut the fuck up if you have nothing better to bitch about.
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Dear mr Rainjack.

I have difficulties to understand what you are upset about, but you may continue. Do you want you me to salute you because your grandfather fought in WWII? Why the obesession with WWII, in the first place?

Why do you feel, that you personally deserve some credit for it? Why do you assume, that I bitch when I say that credit is personal, not something you get through birth, nationality or association with a group? Why should I feel guilt about nazism?

The Russian flag was flown above Finland prior to 1917. Lenin granted freedom and Stalin tried to take it away. While the role of your country in WWII was important, there were many fronts of battle. Your way to simplify things isn’t very useful, except for as a way to formulate slogans.

Kaaleppi

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[quote]ephrem wrote:

…scroll down for the official figures and percentages…[/quote]

Hooray for Germany- we’re the winners!

On the other hand, it must hurt that even India beat the US. I feel your pain, judging from the vast amount of posts which capitalize on the importance of America’s sacrifices during WW2. Well, at least nobody can say that you ain’t working right now to increase your mindless overall death toll. You can make it!

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
Dear mr Rainjack.

I have difficulties to understand what you are upset about, but you may continue. Do you want you me to salute you because your grandfather fought in WWII? Why the obesession with WWII, in the first place?

Why do you feel, that you personally deserve some credit for it? Why do you assume, that I bitch when I say that credit is personal, not something you get through birth, nationality or association with a group? Why should I feel guilt about nazism?

The Russian flag was flown above Finland prior to 1917. Lenin granted freedom and Stalin tried to take it away. While the role of your country in WWII was important, there were many fronts of battle. Your way to simplify things isn’t very useful, except for as a way to formulate slogans.

Kaaleppi
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Our role in 1940’s Europe was critical. It still is today.

I am not taking credit for anything. I am stating fact. And the fact is Europe would have an entirely different face today had the U.S. not been involved. Europe is too weak to defend itself against a well armed aggressor.

You seem to think that means nothing. That’s fine - but please don’t sit there and think it means nothing, and that those who are proud of their country’s past are trying to take credit for anything.

WE are still the first country called on when trouble brews. WE get blamed for anything that the Euro’s don’t like.

You sleep in your bed safe at night because WE keep you safe.

It must suck to be beholding to another country like that - especially one as brash and proud as the U.S.

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At least the US has something to be proud of. Better than constantly playing the victim like some constantly seem to do.

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Jingo bells, jingo bells, jingo all the waaaay…

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

Our role in 1940’s Europe was critical. It still is today.

I am not taking credit for anything. I am stating fact. And the fact is Europe would have an entirely different face today had the U.S. not been involved. Europe is too weak to defend itself against a well armed aggressor.

You seem to think that means nothing. That’s fine - but please don’t sit there and think it means nothing, and that those who are proud of their country’s past are trying to take credit for anything.

WE are still the first country called on when trouble brews. WE get blamed for anything that the Euro’s don’t like.

You sleep in your bed safe at night because WE keep you safe.

It must suck to be beholding to another country like that - especially one as brash and proud as the U.S.
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I must admit that I cant understand your way of drawing strength from nationalism. Not that it is unique in any way, it is still common here too. I just don’t understand it.

That is arrogance that you are showing, not pride. And there is nothing brash about it. You must have been toying with the above mentioned thoughts about Euro’s(sic.) ungratitude toward the US for a long time. I see it mentioned so often, that I think it is considered to be an undisputed fact in many parts of the states.

That is unnecessary, because the US has been richly awarded for it’s troubles.

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[quote]kaaleppi wrote:

I must admit that I cant understand your way of drawing strength from nationalism. Not that it is unique in any way, it is still common here too. I just don’t understand it. [/quote]

I guess one would have to live somewhere worthy of being proud of before understanding any type of nationalist thought process.

We are the most hated, most coveted, most reviled, most successful nation on the planet, and have been for many, many years. That is a fact. We saved the face of Western Europe, and continue to be their main source of defense to this day.

Arrogance? If that’s what you want to call it, then fine. I think the US reserves to be the right to be as big an asshole as we want to be. Why? Because we can.

How?

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[quote]pookie wrote:
Jingo bells, jingo bells, jingo all the waaaay…

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…oh what fun it is to save the world and Pookie go away…

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The USA bankrolled the whole damn opposition to the Nazis and the Japanese. That, in addition to the thousands of men and women who died but DIDN’T HAVE TO! We CHOSE to liberate the world.

The British were bankrupt and toothless. They left all their equipment at Dunkirk. The Russians lost most of their tanks, planes, guns in the first months after June 22nd, 1941. The Nazis would surround whole Russian armies and basically kill everybody, something like 6 million men in 6 months.

The Arsenal of Democracy — the USA. Without us, the world would have been split into empires run by Nazis and fanatical Japanese.

Oh, and how would Nazis deal with kids throwing rocks at THEIR windshields?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
kaaleppi wrote:

I must admit that I cant understand your way of drawing strength from nationalism. Not that it is unique in any way, it is still common here too. I just don’t understand it.

I guess one would have to live somewhere worthy of being proud of before understanding any type of nationalist thought process.[/quote]

An insult must have some accuracy to be effective.

[quote]That is arrogance that you are showing, not pride. And there is nothing brash about it. You must have been toying with the above mentioned thoughts about Euro’s(sic.) ungratitude toward the US for a long time. I see it mentioned so often, that I think it is considered to be an undisputed fact in many parts of the states.

We are the most hated, most coveted, most reviled, most successful nation on the planet, and have been for many, many years. That is a fact. We saved the face of Western Europe, and continue to be their main source of defense to this day.

Arrogance? If that’s what you want to call it, then fine. I think the US reserves to be the right to be as big an asshole as we want to be. Why? Because we can.[/quote]

That is always a good reason. I have planned to grow long hair when I get pensioned.

[quote]That is unnecessary, because the US has been richly awarded for it’s troubles.

How?[/quote]

By becoming the most successful nation on the planet. The US is not the most successful nation and a modern day empire despite of such obstacles as WWII and the cold war. They functioned as the catapult that threw america to it’s highest orbit. On the behalf of my grandmother I say thanks for the chocolate and the stockings, by the way.

You are just sour because your material advantage has diminished since the 50’s, the military is so damned expensive and the french aren’t showering you with flowers when you go to Paris, even though your grandpa told you that they would do so.

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…shouldn’t it be enough to be just who you are, instead of relying on nationalism for a sense of identity? I think it should, because that decreases the chance for manipulation, indoctrination and looking like a fool. Aaahh, it’s good to be well again ((-:

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
ephrem wrote:

…scroll down for the official figures and percentages…

Hooray for Germany- we’re the winners!

On the other hand, it must hurt that even India beat the US. I feel your pain, judging from the vast amount of posts which capitalize on the importance of America’s sacrifices during WW2. Well, at least nobody can say that you ain’t working right now to increase your mindless overall death toll. You can make it![/quote]

Poor Nazi Germany. They lost many lives. Too bad all the Jewish Germans that are accounted for in that graph were killed by Germany. The USA sacrificed lives for a war that took place in Europe for the most part. In addition the USA spent more money than any other country on the war. Your country was the problem. Germany committed one of the worst acts in the history of the world and you say the USA doesn’t give enough. Why don’t you take your ungrateful posts to a German forum you piece of shit.