I should throw in here that there are some details of my conversations with this guy that I’m not willing to divulge that, if you had had those same conversations, would lead you to believe at least as conclusively as Blagojevich, that he was the person who collected this stuff.
It is infinitely more likely that is the case then the story he… sort of told me, in a round about way.
He has his day in court coming and the feds hinted I may be asked to testify.
If he really isn’t responsible then nobody would be happier to see him cleared than myself. Nobody told me this, but I’m betting, quite safely I’m sure, that they found plenty more evidence in his house. I am not saying this to further insult this man, but he is a dunce. Not because I believe he is a pedophile, but because he spoke to me like a slow 3rd grader.
I know for a fact that he did not see this coming and whatever else was around his house (like probably optical discs full of this stuff) I’m sure was sitting there when they showed up.
I have a question for anyone who understands these laws. One time i was just surfing the net, when i stumbled upon child porn. It was on the website (not on my computer as far as i know) and i made no attempt to download it. Instead i just backed out.
Can i get in trouble even if i didnt download it, made no attempt to find it, and accidently stumbled upon it?
And trib i think you did the right thing. If its like the stuff i stumbled upon, its pretty horrible.
[quote]ahzaz wrote:
I have a question for anyone who understands these laws. One time i was just surfing the net, when i stumbled upon child porn. It was on the website (not on my computer as far as i know) and i made no attempt to download it. Instead i just backed out.
Can i get in trouble even if i didnt download it, made no attempt to find it, and accidently stumbled upon it?
And trib i think you did the right thing. If its like the stuff i stumbled upon, its pretty horrible.[/quote]
What do you really mean when you say “stumbled upon”?
[quote]ahzaz wrote:
I have a question for anyone who understands these laws. One time i was just surfing the net, when i stumbled upon child porn. It was on the website (not on my computer as far as i know) and i made no attempt to download it. I
nstead i just backed out. Can i get in trouble even if i didnt download it, made no attempt to find it, and accidently stumbled upon it?
And trib i think you did the right thing. If its like the stuff i stumbled upon, its pretty horrible.[/quote]
Yes. In quite a few countries, simply accessing the file is criminalized.
And it looks like Canada is on the list.
This is a case of “guilty until proven otherwise”.
This guy got one of my fliers on his door and called Tuesday for me to fix his machine which sounded like it was infested with various malware as many are nowadays.
You know, Tirib, I applaud your civic-mindedness, but I think everyone may be overlooking one possibility.
If you were a malicious hacker who truly wanted to destroy people’s lives, could you think of a better way than to design a malware that infected a computer by creating folders full of kiddie porn on the hard drive, then irreparably shutting down the system?
If this guy is actually a pedophile, then he’ll likely get what he deserves. I’m just suggesting that, although the chances are slim, he may be about to get what he doesn’t deserve.[/quote]
This is interesting.
If he knew it was on his computer why the hell would he bring it in for repairs? It would only take a few minutes to take it off his computer and onto some external media.
You know you can be sure of that if Lifticus is pulling out yet another incoherent cut-and-paste from his favorite anarchist cant and telling you you did the wrong thing.
[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
ahzaz wrote:
I have a question for anyone who understands these laws. One time i was just surfing the net, when i stumbled upon child porn. It was on the website (not on my computer as far as i know) and i made no attempt to download it. Instead i just backed out.
Can i get in trouble even if i didnt download it, made no attempt to find it, and accidently stumbled upon it?
And trib i think you did the right thing. If its like the stuff i stumbled upon, its pretty horrible.
What do you really mean when you say “stumbled upon”?[/quote]
[quote]lixy wrote:
ahzaz wrote:
I have a question for anyone who understands these laws. One time i was just surfing the net, when i stumbled upon child porn. It was on the website (not on my computer as far as i know) and i made no attempt to download it. I
nstead i just backed out. Can i get in trouble even if i didnt download it, made no attempt to find it, and accidently stumbled upon it?
And trib i think you did the right thing. If its like the stuff i stumbled upon, its pretty horrible.
Yes. In quite a few countries, simply accessing the file is criminalized.
And it looks like Canada is on the list.
This is a case of “guilty until proven otherwise”.[/quote]
Thumbnails count? + this was a loooooooong time ago. It was more “baby porn” than “child porn”
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
All I know is that if someone had a collection of media like I saw that included one of my kids I’d beat em to death with my bare hands whether he actually produced them or not.
I am not a law enforcement official and abused no state authority in turning him in. He sought me out and He brought the machine to me. Computers being as they are it is practically impossible to securely move somebody’s data around without seeing the file names at least. I tell them all this before doing the job. No customer has ever even once had a problem with this before.
Receiving stolen property is a crime if it’s done with the knowledge that it’s stolen even if you didn’t steal it. Collecting criminally produced movies and pictures that are by definition of criminal activities is similarly criminal.
Again, what if I just did the job and I find out later that some of the many missing children in this area are his doing? What then? I have to live the rest of my life with the knowledge that I had the means to prevent that, but didn’t.
What if it was someone dear to you? Would you be comforted by the fact that I told you I steadfastly protected his privacy when I learned that he was into little boys.
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You made a good point in that post. I guess you did the right thing after all. Something about you mentioning missing children changed my mind. I take it back, you didn’t do the wrong thing. Hopefully the guy is really a child molester and gets rammed in prison for what he did (if he is guilty).
[quote]lixy wrote:
ahzaz wrote:
I have a question for anyone who understands these laws. One time i was just surfing the net, when i stumbled upon child porn. It was on the website (not on my computer as far as i know) and i made no attempt to download it. I
nstead i just backed out. Can i get in trouble even if i didnt download it, made no attempt to find it, and accidently stumbled upon it?
And trib i think you did the right thing. If its like the stuff i stumbled upon, its pretty horrible.
Yes. In quite a few countries, simply accessing the file is criminalized.
And it looks like Canada is on the list.
This is a case of “guilty until proven otherwise”.[/quote]
[quote]rainjack wrote:
elano wrote:
My original point was that if I was a computer technician and I saw some photos labeled “8yo_boy_eats_boy’s_ass.jpg” I wouldn’t have bothered to click on it. I would be like "OOOKKKAAYY what a sick mutherfucker… " but prob not called the cops unless I really thought the guy was harming kids, not just collecting photos.
You have to PURCHASE said photos. Either that, or have an active role in the taking and processing of said photos. You don’t go to childporndaily.net and down load free boy-on-boy desktops.
Try as you might, you are not going to be able to minimize the possession of child-pornography to “just collecting photographs”. It is not a victimless crime.
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And as soon as you can prove said purchase you might be dealing with a crime.
Until then you look as photos of a crime which is not in an of itself a crime.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
All I know is that if someone had a collection of media like I saw that included one of my kids I’d beat em to death with my bare hands whether he actually produced them or not.
I am not a law enforcement official and abused no state authority in turning him in. He sought me out and He brought the machine to me. Computers being as they are it is practically impossible to securely move somebody’s data around without seeing the file names at least. I tell them all this before doing the job. No customer has ever even once had a problem with this before.
Receiving stolen property is a crime if it’s done with the knowledge that it’s stolen even if you didn’t steal it. Collecting criminally produced movies and pictures that are by definition of criminal activities is similarly criminal.
Again, what if I just did the job and I find out later that some of the many missing children in this area are his doing? What then? I have to live the rest of my life with the knowledge that I had the means to prevent that, but didn’t.
What if it was someone dear to you? Would you be comforted by the fact that I told you I steadfastly protected his privacy when I learned that he was into little boys.
[/quote]
Receiving stolen property is a crime because it STILL BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE!
The picture of the children however do not belong to them and they are also not protected under any copyright laws unless you used them commercially.
The rest of your post is an appeal to emotions and emotions make for very bad laws.
Plus, 98% of pedophiles DO NOT molest children. Surprisingly high number isn´t it? Given that 20% of men have pedophile fantasies, the only people you have to thank that children you care about where never molested are actually the pedophiles themselves who are usually able not to act on their impulses.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
So he actually had folders of the material? Which makes it obvious that he was STORING the material…which is the deal breaker in violating federal law. And negates all this babbling argument(Lifty) of how he didn’t break any laws.
I never said he didn’t break a law. I said I don’t care what the law is. There are many laws that I break every day that are not crimes in and of themselves.
Given the very specific definition of a crime neither you nor anyone else can prove that this person committed a crime.
As I have stated, crimes can only be committed against a person or his property. Prove otherwise.
You’re funny…and delusional. As it applies to this thread,the owner of the computer KNOWINGLY had,in HIS POSSESSION(stored on his HD),child pornography. This violates a federal law…right or wrong? By violating a federal law,he has committed a crime. YOU prove otherwise.
All of these pseudo-semantics you’re babbling about are meaningless. You’re better off just saying that he’s innocent until the courts say otherwise and just leaving it at that.[/quote]
No, because we all know that government can pass all kinds of shitty laws, that does not make you less of a dick if you are snitching.
I am not saying that it was that way in that case, this is very much in the grey area.
You definitely did the right thing. Just considering that those children may still be trapped in their situations is reason enough. Hopefully, your action will lead to their salvation, not to the grave of a missing child. Though, even that might at least provide some closure for the parents.
[quote]orion wrote:
<<< Receiving stolen property is a crime because it STILL BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE! >>>
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How bout the stolen, freedom, innocence and privacy of these kids? It is actually an inalienable human right that people be permitted to possess and perversely arouse themselves with the digital record of their utterly depraved abuse? Or at least it’s not a right, but it shouldn’t be a crime if discovered? Only those who were in the room during production are culpable? That’s a crime, but providing an audience isn’t?
You need to get your skull outta the #$%*@# books man.
Oh, and OP, you are the fucking man. This pissant twisted shit is getting what he fucking deserves. If I were you I would over the moon that I helped bring down scum like that.
[quote]FormerlyTexasGuy wrote:
A joint hurts nobody. Encouraging sexual abuse and possibly murder to cover tracks is a much, much worse crime than some guy deciding to introduce marijuana to his own body. [/quote]
