[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
As Push noted, he fancies himself a daring intellectual pushing buttons, but in fact of matter, he is pretty pedestrian and cliche.[/quote]
It’s actually quite ironic and almost comic to read some of liftys efforts to impart “alternative” or “abstract” views on the issues.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
orion wrote:
But not in order to trade them.
Yes, you do - because said good has to exist before trading, and you can’t have said good until you engage in child abuse. Trading encourages production of more pornography, as it demonstrates a demand for the product.
What about news organizations that report crimes?
What about them? They provide a useful service - news - and they don’t enable the crime they are reporting.
They are making money off of the misery of others AND some people commit crimes just to see themselves, or their deeds, in the news.
If we got rid of news organizations, there’d still be misery - it just wouldn’t get reported. News organizations don’t encourage any meaningful “misery” to occur, and to suggest that they act as catalysts to “bad things” is a joke - if there be any incentives one way or the other, people would tend to avoid doing “bad things” for fear that they will be shamed in public by news reporting.
My God, Orion - you have a reputation of producing some feeble material, but these arguments are pathetic.[/quote]
oh please.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
…My God, Orion - you have a reputation of producing some feeble material, but these arguments are pathetic.
The Salzburg citadel can get frighteningly suffocating hence a lack of oxygen hence impaired brain function hence incoherent logic and woeful reasoning capabilities?
I dunno. Just guessin’.
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I find that hilarious since those oxygen deprived arguments are rarely refuted, but only dismissed as oxygen deprived are something similar.
Gentleman, what would that reveal about your ability to reason?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
JamFly wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
As Push noted, he fancies himself a daring intellectual pushing buttons, but in fact of matter, he is pretty pedestrian and cliche.
It’s actually quite ironic and almost comic to read some of liftys efforts to impart “alternative” or “abstract” views on the issues.
That was partially my point in regards to the lack of commons sense. Sometimes…the sociological/political/philosophical theorizing gets so ridiculously inane in the so called pursuit of “Look at me, I’m a fuckin intellectual powerhouse”, that good ol’ fashioned common sense and plain thinking get swept away like beach towels in an Indonesian tsunami.
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We have a similar expression in German to “good ol’ fashioned common sense and plain thinking” .
It´s “Gesundes Volksempfinden”.
Guess when that became part of the law and guess what happens when THAT sweeps aside logic and careful analysis.
Like it or not, as long as you live in a nation of laws and let us pretend for a second that you still do, you need to establish abstract principles from which to derive laws.
“Common sense” has very little to do with that.
[quote]orion wrote:
“Common sense” has very little to do with that.
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“Common sense” has everything to do with it, as whatever abstract principles we agree to for our laws must take Human Nature as it is, not as we want it to be. The application of Common Sense furthers those ends.
Anarcho-libertarian nonsense - but I repeat myself - is definitionally a rejection of common sense in the same way communism is: it conveniently invents a New Man that isn’t the same as Real Man, and argues as if the world is populated by New Man.
Lack of common sense, right out of the gate.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Lack of common sense, right out of the gate. [/quote]
Common sense should tell you that possession of anything cannot be a crime since property is based on the notion of rightful possession. Only actions that negatively affect someone’s person or property is a crime.
All that other pseudo-economic nonsense you wrote about downloading creating new demand is exactly that – nonsense. Demand has to precede the actual act of downloading. Those that actively search for kiddie porn already have the desire to find it and download it. In other words, the demand is already there. Furthermore, only profits will create the necessary feedback to the producers to know to provide a supply. If downloaders do not provide an incentive to producers there is no inherent reason to believe a new supply should be brought about. That is as logical as it gets. Figure it out.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
orion wrote:
“Common sense” has very little to do with that.
“Common sense” has everything to do with it, as whatever abstract principles we agree to for our laws must take Human Nature as it is, not as we want it to be. The application of Common Sense furthers those ends.
Anarcho-libertarian nonsense - but I repeat myself - is definitionally a rejection of common sense in the same way communism is: it conveniently invents a New Man that isn’t the same as Real Man, and argues as if the world is populated by New Man.
Lack of common sense, right out of the gate. [/quote]
Who cares, since I am no anarcho-capitalist.
I am afraid that I have to refer you to LM.
That should not really come as a surprise since it would be a waste of time for an anarchist to think about just laws at all, since he would dismiss the whole concept of “laws” in the first place.
[quote]orion wrote:
We have a similar expression in German to “good ol’ fashioned common sense and plain thinking” .
It’s “Gesundes Volksempfinden”.
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Forget it, Orion. Everyone missed the reference.
It would appear, by the way, that pedophiles are one category of Volksschädling in American gesundes Volksempfinden.
[quote]orion wrote:
Who cares since I am no anarcho-capitalist.
I am afraid that I have to refer you to LM.
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And I am afraid I do not agree with the term “anarcho-capitalist” since a market economy must already be an inherent feature of anarchic society. In other words, it is a redundant term.
I would say I am more an anarcho-libertarian.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
We have a similar expression in German to “good ol’ fashioned common sense and plain thinking” .
It’s “Gesundes Volksempfinden”.
Forget it, Orion. Everyone missed the reference.[/quote]
Uh no, not all of us.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
We have a similar expression in German to “good ol’ fashioned common sense and plain thinking” .
It’s “Gesundes Volksempfinden”.
Forget it, Orion. Everyone missed the reference.
It would appear, by the way, that pedophiles are one category of Volksschädling in American gesundes Volksempfinden.[/quote]
Is it not ironic that people that are quite fond of Nazi references know so little of what Nazism really looked like?
It is not possible to actually live in a self created universe of relentless intellectually acrobatic abstraction except in between ones own ears.
People who seek out and collect materials documenting the abuse of children are people civilized society would do well to expel from it’s midst regardless of what somebody’s rigid cerebral system of polity might dictate in a book.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
orion wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
orion wrote:
We have a similar expression in German to “good ol’ fashioned common sense and plain thinking” .
It’s “Gesundes Volksempfinden”.
Forget it, Orion. Everyone missed the reference.
It would appear, by the way, that pedophiles are one category of Volksschädling in American gesundes Volksempfinden.
Is it not ironic that people that are quite fond of Nazi references know so little of what Nazism really looked like?
Konfuzius Hey! Erleuchten die Einfaltspinsel Horden hier auf TN. What DID Nazism really look like? If you’ll just tell us we’ll know it all just like you do.
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Just to let you Anglo-Saxon barbarians know, you are all seriously undermisestimating the slings and arrows of German grammar.
I would not have done anything.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
I would not have done anything.[/quote]
Can I ask why?