[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
orion wrote:
How could anyone possibly abuse a child by trading pictures?
Because in order to produce the pictures, you must engage in child abuse.[/quote]
What about vintage kiddie porn?
Where is the line?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What about vintage kiddie porn?
Where is the line?[/quote]
What the hell is “vintage” kiddie porn?
And I just drew the line, and so have others.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I never said it wasn’t - but I don’t think violent video games promote the actualization of any depicted violence, nor do I think they lead to actual violence. [/quote]
Explain.
Why is it that video games don’t lead to actual violence, but do lead to molestation?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Explain. [/quote]
Wouldn’t you need to respond to requests made of you before making requests of your own?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What about vintage kiddie porn?
Where is the line?
What the hell is “vintage” kiddie porn? [/quote]
Works that have fallen in the public domain.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What about vintage kiddie porn?
Where is the line?
What the hell is “vintage” kiddie porn?
And I just drew the line, and so have others.
[/quote]
dated material.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Works that have fallen in the public domain.[/quote]
Of course - those works of kiddie porn that no longer have a valid copyright. How could anyone forget all of those volumes of kiddie porn films that filed for copyrights those many years ago?
Good Lord.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
dated material.[/quote]
Date has nothing to do with it - its existence and use promotes the production of more.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
dated material.
Date has nothing to do with it - its existence and use promotes the production of more.
[/quote]
You cannot convince me that merely downloading photos leads to the production of more photos.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
You cannot convince me that merely downloading photos leads to the production of more photos.[/quote]
So, since the 1970s adult pornographic films, there have been no more made?
Adult porn consumers have been content to just keep watching “vintage” videos and there has been no new production since the 1970s?
Child pornography is sick and those that support the right to have it are almost as bad as those sick weirdos who crave it.
A good friend of mine was molested while she was a child. Someone attempted to do it to me when I was about 15. I was very young looking, say maybe 12 or so looks wise.
The fact that i gave him a look and started to make a threatening move with the crow bar I was holding kind of gave him the thought that he should not continue his course of action.
I was working for the evil prick as a carpenter’s assistant at the time, btw. when our work was done that day, I peddled my bike home 1/2 mile as fast as I could, got my 20 gauge loaded it up and waited to see if he would try to come after me.
My mom was shopping with my sister and my dad was out hunting at that time, so I was nervous being at home by myself. after an hour or so, I put the gun away and figured he wouldn’t bother me.
If I knew better, I would have called the cops, but my first reaction was to get home and get safe.
Cocksucker died a horrible death of cancer a few years later. Found out a few years later that earlier he molested a friend of mine, a guy, not the gal I mentioned earlier.
Sick fucks that like this stuff can’t be cured. They hide behind fear , intimidation, and secrecy. My gal friend was threatened with murder for her and her family. At seven.
So now let’s see the defense of the ass clowns such as orion, lixy, and lifting. Theory is shit, the real world is what matters. Reasons don’t matter, what happens matters.
I’d kill every one of these sick fucks if I had the legal opportunity. 22 rimfire rounds are still 5 cents or less. One Ruger 10/22 for 200$ and a brick of 22s would get rid of 500 of these degenerates at a very reasonable price of 220$ or so.
The cluelessness of some here amazes me. Scum who would use a child in this way can’t be changed or helped. it’s just like how I like women who are hot. You’re not going to change that.
BTW trib , you did an excellent job and the right thing of course.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
orion wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Tirib, you know you did the right thing if for no other reason than jackasses with warped reasoning abilities like Liftics and Orion think you didn’t.
In fact, 90% of the time you could use both of those guys’ views as litmus tests.
I’ve said this before about Orion and it applies to Liftics as well, that they so desperately seek to be perceived as intellectual giants but they fall short by a country mile.
One of the reasons for this is sometimes one thinks he is so smart that he fails to see his common sense reservoir is virtually dry. I wonder if so many cranial atoms get used up in the pursuit of a refined intellect that practicality and reasonableness get sacrificed in the process.
On another note, it is interesting that the relative few bozos who stream tears of despair over the alleged invasion of privacy of the pedophile conveniently fail to mention the invasion of the privacy of the eight year old boys.
You are not even able to make the distinction between a human being and a picture and yet you lecture me on common sense?
I was not asked nor required to make that distinction but now that you mention it, those pictures were pictures of human beings.
I didn’t lecture YOU on common sense; I lectured others on your lack thereof. In other words, “Buyer beware! Ye who consider buying the ideas of Mr. Orion need to know that he often arrives at his intellectual conclusions via a vehicle that is missing some wheels.”
I actually understand the point your trying to drive home here but as is often the case with you, you sit atop your little self-contrived Salzburg citadel surveying the world scene through your field glasses of pseudo-intellect, failing to realize that much of the time you’re just a dope.
I know. I know. Ad hominem, strawman, yap, yap, yap. You’re still a simple dope who thinks he’s a smart guy. Why? Because you lack common sense. Lots of theory in there but little common sense. When you sashay down the water slide into the pool of the real world you’ll realize the water is rather cold there.[/quote]
That is really a self defeating argument, because if I had enough “common sense” to keep my feet out of the “cold water of the real world” you are wrong and if I did not need that much “common sense” to do that, “common sense” is overrated.
We are talking about laws here.
Rules that should govern the behavior of millions and therefore must be formulated in an abstract way, guided by abstract principles.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
orion wrote:
How could anyone possibly abuse a child by trading pictures?
Because in order to produce the pictures, you must engage in child abuse.[/quote]
But not in order to trade them.
What about news organizations that report crimes?
They are making money off of the misery of others AND some people commit crimes just to see themselves, or their deeds, in the news.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
orion wrote:
This is an interesting assumption that can in no way, shape or form be proven.
The only thing that animated child pornography would lead to for sure is more animated child pornography.
That is irrelevant - we have no desire to prove it. In order to prove it, we’d have to permit and then evaluate it, and the trade-off isn’t worth it.
The assumption is good enough in furtherance of preventing the evil.[/quote]
That´s nice.
Let us detain people, based on assumptions.
Oh, I forgot, you already do that.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Child pornography is sick and those that support the right to have it are almost as bad as those sick weirdos who crave it.
A good friend of mine was molested while she was a child. Someone attempted to do it to me when I was about 15. I was very young looking, say maybe 12 or so looks wise.
The fact that i gave him a look and started to make a threatening move with the crow bar I was holding kind of gave him the thought that he should not continue his course of action.
I was working for the evil prick as a carpenter’s assistant at the time, btw. when our work was done that day, I peddled my bike home 1/2 mile as fast as I could, got my 20 gauge loaded it up and waited to see if he would try to come after me.
My mom was shopping with my sister and my dad was out hunting at that time, so I was nervous being at home by myself. after an hour or so, I put the gun away and figured he wouldn’t bother me.
If I knew better, I would have called the cops, but my first reaction was to get home and get safe.
Cocksucker died a horrible death of cancer a few years later. Found out a few years later that earlier he molested a friend of mine, a guy, not the gal I mentioned earlier.
Sick fucks that like this stuff can’t be cured. They hide behind fear , intimidation, and secrecy. My gal friend was threatened with murder for her and her family. At seven.
So now let’s see the defense of the ass clowns such as orion, lixy, and lifting. Theory is shit, the real world is what matters. Reasons don’t matter, what happens matters.
I’d kill every one of these sick fucks if I had the legal opportunity. 22 rimfire rounds are still 5 cents or less. One Ruger 10/22 for 200$ and a brick of 22s would get rid of 500 of these degenerates at a very reasonable price of 220$ or so.
The cluelessness of some here amazes me. Scum who would use a child in this way can’t be changed or helped. it’s just like how I like women who are hot. You’re not going to change that.
[/quote]
Did it ever occur to do you that:
People that do not agree with me are sick! (sic!) is not really a proper argument?
And furthermore, that a government that can detain someone because of laws based on emotions can do the same to you?
Whether we believe in certain safeguards against the abuse of power by the government is decided at the fringes, when pedophiles are arrested for the possession of pictures or when Afghan goat herders are kidnapped and detained indefinitely.
When they come for you and Martha Applepie it is already too late and you are thoroughly fucked.
[quote]elano wrote:
I think you did the wrong thing. So the guy is a perv. He prob never touched a kid and now he will be forever labeled a sex offender.
Your the pest control guy who calls the cops because a resident had a joint in the ash tray.
I would have minded my own business no offense. Hope you feel like a hero.[/quote]
You have a point but how that piece of shit got kiddie porn? He probably bought it, if so contributing himself to children abuse by financing it. This guy played some dangerous game, now he has to pay the price of his moral degeneration.
Please don’t compare children abuse with smoking pot…
OP you did the right thing.
Some guys are unaware that child porn is a business. Some sickos actually do rape children and eventually torture them to death just for fun of it and MONEY.
Extrem porn material involving kids is not for free, the sicko bought it so now he has to pay the price.
[quote]orion wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Child pornography is sick and those that support the right to have it are almost as bad as those sick weirdos who crave it.
A good friend of mine was molested while she was a child. Someone attempted to do it to me when I was about 15. I was very young looking, say maybe 12 or so looks wise.
The fact that i gave him a look and started to make a threatening move with the crow bar I was holding kind of gave him the thought that he should not continue his course of action.
I was working for the evil prick as a carpenter’s assistant at the time, btw. when our work was done that day, I peddled my bike home 1/2 mile as fast as I could, got my 20 gauge loaded it up and waited to see if he would try to come after me.
My mom was shopping with my sister and my dad was out hunting at that time, so I was nervous being at home by myself. after an hour or so, I put the gun away and figured he wouldn’t bother me.
If I knew better, I would have called the cops, but my first reaction was to get home and get safe.
Cocksucker died a horrible death of cancer a few years later. Found out a few years later that earlier he molested a friend of mine, a guy, not the gal I mentioned earlier.
Sick fucks that like this stuff can’t be cured. They hide behind fear , intimidation, and secrecy. My gal friend was threatened with murder for her and her family. At seven.
So now let’s see the defense of the ass clowns such as orion, lixy, and lifting. Theory is shit, the real world is what matters. Reasons don’t matter, what happens matters.
I’d kill every one of these sick fucks if I had the legal opportunity. 22 rimfire rounds are still 5 cents or less. One Ruger 10/22 for 200$ and a brick of 22s would get rid of 500 of these degenerates at a very reasonable price of 220$ or so.
The cluelessness of some here amazes me. Scum who would use a child in this way can’t be changed or helped. it’s just like how I like women who are hot. You’re not going to change that.
Did it ever occur to do you that:
People that do not agree with me are sick! (sic!) is not really a proper argument?
And furthermore, that a government that can detain someone because of laws based on emotions can do the same to you?
Whether we believe in certain safeguards against the abuse of power by the government is decided at the fringes, when pedophiles are arrested for the possession of pictures or when Afghan goat herders are kidnapped and detained indefinitely.
When they come for you and Martha Applepie it is already too late and you are thoroughly fucked.[/quote]
Arguments aren’t the real world. In the real world these perverts are dangerous and people like you just shoot off their yaps to seem to be smart without actually doing anything.
It’s nice to be a psuedo intellectual who can spout off silly ass opinions without any consequence. those of us who have dealt with these situations look at it in a much more pragmatic way. These guys are dangerous and some silly debate don’t change what they do, who they are and what they will do.
That’s why you’re a sick bastard and almost as bad as these freaks. You’re to stupid to know you’re stupid.
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
Some guys are unaware that child porn is a business. Some sickos actually do rape children and eventually torture them to death just for fun of it and MONEY.
Extrem porn material involving kids is not for free, the sicko bought it so now he has to pay the price. [/quote]
This is true, the guys that have this stuff are dangerous. All the silly ass theory talk doesn’t change it. Especially by a few smart ass college types who haven’t done or seen shit yet in their lives.
The people, I was going to say men, but women have also been in involved with child porn, do obviously terrible things to young kids.
Very young. This does terrible things to a developing mind. Various psychological maladies are associated with sexual abuse. The earlier the abuse, the worse the effects. Borderline personality disorder is one. The argument of well, he only possessed it is stupid.
If you’re turned on by this stuff, you have some sick problems and can be dangerous. Again this si the real world, theory from people who real don’t know anythign about this stuff means nothing.