It’s all based on symptom relief. If you feel better but not great then no. If you feel fantastic he’ll yeah stay there 
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Sounds like these guys got you on the right track. Sorry I didn’t respond sooner.
Are you primary hypogonadism, and are you fairly lean?
The reason I ask is, as far as I understand it, there are 2 avenues for E2 to be produced in your body. Some is produced in the testes, and the rest is aromatased in the fat tissue. If you were primary and fairly lean then maybe that could answer your question?
Somebody more knowledgeable should confirm or correct my theory here though. To mirror what @NH_Watts said, I am no dr either. Lol
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I was at 185 with 3.5 free t and 24 e2. He’s just saying You barely have any T to make e. If you kept same ratio your e2 would fall into normal.
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Im just doing math here finkle. Your ratio looks good you are just low in both. Im sure a lot of us were low E2 as well coming into this but don’t have those numbers. Though some of us may have been estrogen dominant.
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@bmbrady77 I have always been very lean - even as a kid. I never went through the chubby pre puberty phase. I have always been a “hard gainer” having trouble adding mass (at any phase of life)
@NH_Watts appreciate it, man. I am learning more and more about all of this and how important ratio is. The thing is my sex drive has never really been high throughout adulthood (outside on one “test booster” i took a long time ago that was actually superdrol). Obviously, I want to be healthier and correct my hormone levels, but i also want to boost drive and motication as well, if i am going through the effort of getting labs, injecting compounds, etc …
Well an increase in T and E2 should provide all of that to you.
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Yah you’ll be a very happy man. At your age I couldn’t get off my girlfriend… can’t wait to see you experience proper youth friend… git er done
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That would make sense!
Side note…LOVE the screen name!! Ace Ventura is a classic!! LMAO
@bmbrady77 Ha - thank you! Classic for sure
So why would my leanness as a youth be a clue as to whats going on? Are you saying my boys never kicked in like they should have? Also - if this is the case, what - if anything - does that mean regarding my gameplan moving forward?
Theoretically speaking, the problems you had as a young man probably had more to do with your testicles not functioning properly. The fact that you are lean tells me that you probably metabolize what little T you were making like crazy, and I would bet that you are not aromatsing at all. What little E2 you have is probably whatever your malfunctioning testicles can make.
That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me if you needed a larger dose, or way more frequent injections than most to get to a good Free T range and keep it there, even if your SHGB is low. As long as you don’t tart putting on huge amounts of BF, you probably won’t have a problem with E2 getting too high. I will be very curious to see how your case develops…
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Metabolism is also another factor. No hormones means you don’t get muscle and wtc. Someone with no hormones and a low metabolism would get fat and no muscle. At least that’s how I see it.
I’ve heard insulin resistance can also play a role in Hormonal issues.
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I am still learning about how hormones and libido etc all work. I would have never guessed that estrogen played such an important role in our feelings and sexuality
about ten years ago i was tweaking my training an a guy that owns a gym sold me a test booster. This was an OTC product - nothing illicit. And at around 5 weeks i couldn’t believe how strong i was and how horny i had become. i had crazy gains in the gym, and i thought it was odd that i felt like ants were on my nipples. This was my first indication that i should do some homework as to what exactly i was taking
Now my sex drive has never been crazy high, so maybe my drive was upped to a level that was around normal or high-normal to the average guy, but, however its viewed, to me my libido was very high. So i contacted the guy and he sells me an OTC hormone add on (it was a mixed bag that had liver protectors etc and Arimidex) so it would knock down my E some. However, it wasnt enough, so i took A-HD as well towards the end of this cycle. point i am trying to make is that my understanding of how all my hormones and libido work is that this blue A-HD pill would knock down my E and once i would take that i would be crazy horny for like 3 hours. I am guessing that my test didnt spike during this window, but that i was aromatizing a lot of the test to E at this time and the pill would knock my E down creating a larger gap in between my overall test and E level …creating a small window of higher libido during a cycle where my libido was higher than normal anyway.
I bring this up since some guys on here have mentioned the “spread” as well - you can have a higher libido with lower test levels as long as the difference between the two and the ratio is where it needs to be …
In hind sight i was taking Superdrol, which is one of the strongest PH made
Does this make sense ? @bmbrady77
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Started the scrotul cream yesterday evening. Applied twice daily morning and evening. Doc also gave me melatonin (spelling right?) and Is sending me thyroid t4/t3 via a compound pharmacy. I do not care for pork derived medications and there somehow getting it to me without and oink oink.
I’ll keep y’all updated and how I feel in the coming weeks.
The cream dried very fast and absorbs very quick from the studies I read and what my doc said. You don’t notice it after a few mins of application. Just have to rub it in vs apply and let it sit.
I would be concerned with swamp balls.
Last thing you want in a relationship
Doesn’t happen it just dries up and never happened.
Any clue what these marks are from. I haven’t used a bar for squats in ten days. No pain … I don’t think it’s irritated otherwise I would feel pain. I have no clue what this might be from
Maybe I’m reading between the lines.
They do not look like pimples … it’s likr a deep red inside the skin.
No pain so that’s good and only looks messed up. I’ll just put my shirt back on. Out of sight out of mind. That’s how it goes right. Haha
In a few days I’m sure it will be gone.
Anyone here on thyroid t4/t3? I am starting in a couple days. I’m still falling asleep midday and have just a tad but more energy now that I’m on TRT. But I’m still blah and I am reading the thyroid can cause severe fatigue… haven’t found information on how one will not benefit from T if the thyroid is bad and therefore body cannot metabolize the t. Surely someone out there had this issue and can fill me in. Or there’s an medical study or article I can dig into.