[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
What I find fault with…is the fact that this is news, not just because some policeman tried to do what someone called him to do.
The reason this is newsworthy is because of who he is. This wouldn’t be in the news if it was some random partier.
I’m not a cop, however, I wonder if arresting him was the only answer. Could they possibly have “assisted” him out of the street without having to arrest him? I hate to armchair quarterback the situation, just wondering.
I personally would have called the nearest engine company to hit him with the appropriate handline to remove him from the street. That way we would have truly wasted a ton of resources on him and absolutely made the event newsworthy
Go big or go home I say.
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It makes you wonder why he was arrested. What will arresting him do? Standing in the street will get you jail time? He couldn’t be assisted out of the street without arresting him?
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Knowing what I know about Dhani Jones, I would most likely believe this is the cops’ fault.
Jones is widely regarded as one of the smartest men in the league. He guest conducts the Philadelphia Symphony.
I find it hard to believe that he acted so stupidly as to force an arrest.
I do not find it hard to believe that the Miami cops saw a 6’4", 250 lb black man with dreadlocks doing something forgivable and over-reacted.[/quote]
Well, according to Zeb, they were just doing what they were supposed to do. Shame on us for questioning a police officer!!! (was that enough exclamation points?)
WHat bothers me is not the fact that he was arrested, but the fact that, besides AceQHoundog, everyone is justifying it SOLELY by virtue of the fact that they were cops. You mean no cop has ever given an order that constituted an abuse of power? Please, cops are as human and as fallible as the rest of us, and they have no more inherent authority than anyone else.
Ace, on the other hand, pointed out that there were people going about their business, whether going home, going wherever, who were being inconvenienced by the tomfoolery. THAT is a good reason to get out of the street, NOT because a police officer told you to. Was arresting him a valid response instead of finding out if someone could take him home? Dunno, thats a judgement call, not gonna guess at it.
And for the record, the article doesnt say he was arrested and held, it said he was arrested and signed an affidavit agreeing to appear at arraignment. Although the article says failure to obey is a misdemeanor, I know that in other places its not, its a traffic offense. They dont have to bring you down to the station if youre going 100 mph over the speed limit, they can just make you sign the affidavit. If you dont then they’ll take you downtown.
There, that ought to be enough to piss off the law and order crowd as well as the dhani-shouldn’t’ve-been-arrested folks.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Knowing what I know about Dhani Jones, I would most likely believe this is the cops’ fault.
Jones is widely regarded as one of the smartest men in the league. He guest conducts the Philadelphia Symphony.
I find it hard to believe that he acted so stupidly as to force an arrest.
I do not find it hard to believe that the Miami cops saw a 6’4", 250 lb black man with dreadlocks doing something forgivable and over-reacted.
Well, according to Zeb, they were just doing what they were supposed to do. Shame on us for questioning a police officer!!! (was that enough exclamation points?)[/quote]
Both of you have reading difficulties:
“He refused several orders to get out of the street, and he was arrested,” said police spokesman Bobby Hernandez on Monday.
An unidentified woman Jones was dancing with and several other people did get out of the street, Hernandez said.
Drunk guy (I’m assuming drunk, because I know he isn’t stupid), blocking traffic, refusing several orders to get out of the middle of the street even after the other people with him clear out. That equals arrest in every city I’ve ever been in.
Unfortunately, some cops don’t need much of a reason for you to end up in handcuffs. If they can arrest you, alot of the time they will.
Black and big has nothing to do with it. I’ve been arrested for climbing a lamp post outside a bar, and I’m as white as it gets and nowhere near 6’4" 250.
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Professor X wrote:
Well, according to Zeb, they were just doing what they were supposed to do. Shame on us for questioning a police officer!!! (was that enough exclamation points?)[/quote]
They were doing what they are supposed to do, which is maintain law and order in society. They’re still assholes, because they could have just escorted him off the street without incident, but sometimes cops have to be assholes to deter other people from copying disorderly or unlawful behavior.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
WHat bothers me is not the fact that he was arrested, but the fact that, besides AceQHoundog, everyone is justifying it SOLELY by virtue of the fact that they were cops. You mean no cop has ever given an order that constituted an abuse of power? Please, cops are as human and as fallible as the rest of us, and they have no more inherent authority than anyone else.
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Police have no authority? Since when? Society gives police this very authority in exchange for protection.
Being told to do something by the police is ALWAYS a good reason to do it, as you may have to find out the hard way. Arresting him was a judgement call that ONLY the police have the power to make.
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And for the record, the article doesnt say he was arrested and held, it said he was arrested and signed an affidavit agreeing to appear at arraignment. Although the article says failure to obey is a misdemeanor, I know that in other places its not, its a traffic offense. They dont have to bring you down to the station if youre going 100 mph over the speed limit, they can just make you sign the affidavit. If you dont then they’ll take you downtown.
There, that ought to be enough to piss off the law and order crowd as well as the dhani-shouldn’t’ve-been-arrested folks.[/quote]
Yeah, it sounds like he was cuffed and then let go fairly quickly. He probably didn’t even go to the station. Much ado about nothing, it seems.
If it was here int Texas, he could have been arrested while he was still in the bar. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion. The guy was drunk and in the street, which could have been considered a danger to himself or others. He got slapped with a misdemeanor charge and released on his own recon. In my younger days I got arrested for doing stupid but harmless stuff while drunk as well. Worst case scenario, he will see a $50 fine. He is a smart guy, I bet he mans up and just says he had a little too much and made a silly mistake.
My brother is a cop, so I asked him about this. He couldn’t see any reason to arrest the guy unless he refused to comply with officers’ orders to get out of the street. Did that happen? I don’t remember the articles specifying one way or another.
I agree this is only a news story because it happened to an athlete. How many people across the country were arrested for being drunk and stupid last weekend? I wouldn’t even want to hazard a guess…
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
He couldn’t see any reason to arrest the guy unless he refused to comply with officers’ orders to get out of the street.
Did that happen? I don’t remember the articles specifying one way or another.
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“He refused several orders to get out of the street, and he was arrested,” said police spokesman Bobby Hernandez on Monday.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
How many people across the country were arrested for being drunk and stupid last weekend? I wouldn’t even want to hazard a guess…[/quote]
[quote]doogie wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
He couldn’t see any reason to arrest the guy unless he refused to comply with officers’ orders to get out of the street.
Did that happen? I don’t remember the articles specifying one way or another.
“He refused several orders to get out of the street, and he was arrested,” said police spokesman Bobby Hernandez on Monday.[/quote]
I don’t know man.
Arresting someone is a lot of paperwork.
Unless he was mouthing off to the cops, which is a possibility, I’m surprised they didn’t just get his autograph and let him go.
I’m still trying to figure out how the cops could’ve prevented a murder by not arresting Jones in this situation. Let me get some things straight. Jones a) was dancing in the street with some others b) said dancers blocked traffic c) all but Jones complied when police ordered that they get off the street, d) Jones continued to ignore several orders thereafter. Seems like a good reason to arrest Jones to me. What happened is clearly justified and part of a traffic cop’s duties. Am I to assume that the role of a traffic cop is a waste of tax dollars? Should they be diverted to solving and preventing murders?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
How many people across the country were arrested for being drunk and stupid last weekend? I wouldn’t even want to hazard a guess…
Hahahahahahahaha.
I could name a few.[/quote]
Well, you know what they say.
Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
How many people across the country were arrested for being drunk and stupid last weekend? I wouldn’t even want to hazard a guess…
Hahahahahahahaha.
I could name a few.
Well, you know what they say.
Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son.
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I’d rather be drunk and stupid than have a stick up my ass.
