Jailing Reporters

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Oh, Zeb, you’re so melodramatic! You should win an oscar for best supporting actress with that dramatic display in defense of your idol.

Such a bitter angry zealot you are. You must feel like one of the holy crusaders from history past out on your crusade to stamp out every last evil democrat on the planet. sean hannity I’m sure is very proud of you.

Oh, and are you gonna drop jerffy’s true indentity or what? Don’t tease us like that zeb![/quote]

Yes more name calling…but still no proof!

Once again, you side step but still continue to not share any proof relative you your accusaton that the President is a “criminal.”

Don’t you feel silly for calling the President a criminal now?

No…probably not yet…

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
What? Oh - the facts are too much for you?

Personal attacks? They suit you much better than trying to pay attention to facts. They just get in the way, don’t they Elk?

rainman, you’re funny. You call me an ABB ‘LOSER’ and suggest I need therapy and then have the gall when I retort with my own quip to cry about personal attacks… I am beginning to think you are prone to schoolgirl tactics when you are frustrated. [/quote]

Attacking rainjack is much easier than giving us some proof as to your accusation that the President is a criminal. Still waiting…

Nice try, vroom. But you fall into the same trap that your liberal brother falls into. You have to connect a lot of dots to make anything you just said plausible.

FYI - ABB is not just about Bush. It is about the loss of power that the lib losers have had to deal with on a steady and resounding basis since 1994. Bush has become the whipping boy/scapegoat/poster boy for the decided right turn this contry has taken in the last 11 years.

Demi-god? Hardly. If anything it is the left that refuses to admit their defeats and loss of power. Even the traditional media is suffering from a huge credibility crisis since the proliferation of nonventional media sources.

But you keep trying to equate support of the winning side with mental illness, or calling it loopy, or what ever basless tag you want to give it. When the votes are counted - like they have been in most every election since 1994 - you will once again be on the losing side. And the losers will cry about how their rights have been violated, and threaten to move to another country, and discover new mental ilnesses that explain their sadness at losing yet again.

zebatista, you have shown no more “proof” then any of us to back up your positions. I at one time thought you were a reasonable honorable person. Now I fully see that you are a conniver who hides behind words and deception to display this false holier then thou persona.

Oh, and are you gonna tell us who jerffy really is? You’ve let the cat outta the bag with your eagerness to shock and awe and I want to know what you were alluding to! I didn’t think he displayed the persona of a cop.

zeb, you are a hypocrite of the highest order. To borrow a comparison from the bible you remind me of the Pharisee’s who Jesus had to put the smack down on due to their hypocrisy.

If Jesus himself came down from on high to tell you anything negative about Bush you would probably deride him and much like ol Lucifer be cast into hell for your arrogant pride.

The proof is all around you refuse to look at it!

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
WMD’s earlier description of you was spot on the money, but we wouldn’t expect you to understand this because of course you are incapable of looking inward at yourself. You can only blame Bush haters, Mexicans, Muslims, liberals, whichever is more convenient to spew your discontent with life at.
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I’ll play your fucking game right up to this point.

But to call me a racisist without any basis is fucking classless. Either you prove your point with quotes or you are a fucking liar.

I will not be lied about, nor will I have my character impuned by the likes of a bitter fucking loser that has nothing better to do with his classless life than to call people racist. What’s worse is that you don’t even fucking know me.

Totally classless.

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
zebatista, you have shown no more “proof” then any of us to back up your positions. I at one time thought you were a reasonable honorable person. Now I fully see that you are a conniver who hides behind words and deception to display this false holier then thou persona.[/quote]

And yet more name calling, but still no proof…

I never called anyone a “criminal” you did! I too thought you were reasonable it appears that you are not.

What would you call someone who calls the President a criminal compares him to John Gotti and then offers zero proof to back up such outlandish claims? It’s a baselss charge with no PROOF to back it up and when pushed on it you resort to name calling in order to change the subject!

It seems that whenever you and your big brother vroom get caught flat footed and factless (say that three times fast) you resort to childish name calling. No wonder that liberals are held in such low political esteem, and can’t seem to win an election.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Nice try, vroom. But you fall into the same trap that your liberal brother falls into. You have to connect a lot of dots to make anything you just said plausible.

FYI - ABB is not just about Bush. It is about the loss of power that the lib losers have had to deal with on a steady and resounding basis since 1994. Bush has become the whipping boy/scapegoat/poster boy for the decided right turn this contry has taken in the last 11 years.

Demi-god? Hardly. If anything it is the left that refuses to admit their defeats and loss of power. Even the traditional media is suffering from a huge credibility crisis since the proliferation of nonventional media sources.

But you keep trying to equate support of the winning side with mental illness, or calling it loopy, or what ever basless tag you want to give it. When the votes are counted - like they have been in most every election since 1994 - you will once again be on the losing side. And the losers will cry about how their rights have been violated, and threaten to move to another country, and discover new mental ilnesses that explain their sadness at losing yet again.[/quote]

No rainman, we are equating your behavior with mental illness, not support of Bush as a mental illness. We know the factors behind support of any position have to do with a variety of factors that shape a persons belief systems. Again, we just happen to think you are mentally ill.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
WMD’s earlier description of you was spot on the money, but we wouldn’t expect you to understand this because of course you are incapable of looking inward at yourself. You can only blame Bush haters, Mexicans, Muslims, liberals, whichever is more convenient to spew your discontent with life at.

I’ll play your fucking game right up to this point.

But to call me a racisist without any basis is fucking classless. Either you prove your point with quotes or you are a fucking liar.

I will not be lied about, nor will I have my character impuned by the likes of a bitter fucking loser that has nothing better to do with his classless life than to call people racist. What’s worse is that you don’t even fucking know me.

Totally classless. [/quote]

My opinions of you have been shaped by the opinions you have shared and posted in this forum. By the way keep up the good work with displaying your mental state. You kinda remind me of Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. :wink:

zeb, you are one of the most insidious people I have ever kinda met.

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
No rainman, we are equating your behavior with mental illness, not support of Bush as a mental illness. We know the factors behind support of any position have to do with a variety of factors that shape a persons belief systems. Again, we just happen to think you are mentally ill. [/quote]

Dude - you aren’t exactly the expert on mental health.

I take it as a compliment that the two most emotional liberals on here think I’m wacky.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
No rainman, we are equating your behavior with mental illness, not support of Bush as a mental illness. We know the factors behind support of any position have to do with a variety of factors that shape a persons belief systems. Again, we just happen to think you are mentally ill.

Dude - you aren’t exactly the expert on mental health.

I take it as a compliment that the two most emotional liberals on here think I’m wacky.[/quote]

Believe me rainman it’s not just the two most emotional liberals, I think its the general consensus, that you are off your rocker. You are like the great unifier in that regard it is one point most can agree on.

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
My opinions of you have been shaped by the opinions you have shared and posted in this forum. By the way keep up the good work with displaying your mental state. You kinda remind me of Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. :wink:
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I have given you absolutely no reason to say that I don’t like Muslims, or Mexicans.

If you think that I have - I would like to see some proof. I don’t mind pushing and shoving in the arena of ideas, but for you to call me a racist is wrong. I am not. And I very strongly disgree with the notion that I have given anyone the idea that I am.

You can think it’s funny with your winky faces and such, but you crossed a line.

I thought that there was more to you than the hatred you have spewed recently, but I must apologize to everyone on here for being so horribly wrong.

I will not be responding to or engaging in anything you have to say from here on out. So feel free to make up even more lies about me.

Your bitterness is very, very saddening

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
No rainman, we are equating your behavior with mental illness, not support of Bush as a mental illness. We know the factors behind support of any position have to do with a variety of factors that shape a persons belief systems. Again, we just happen to think you are mentally ill.

Dude - you aren’t exactly the expert on mental health.

I take it as a compliment that the two most emotional liberals on here think I’m wacky.

Believe me rainman it’s not just the two most emotional liberals, I think its the general consensus, that you are off your rocker. You are like the great unifier in that regard it is one point most can agree on. [/quote]

Sure Elk, rainjack is “off his rocker.” Jeff is “looney” and I’m all those names you called me earlier: conniver, insidious, bla bla bla…

I know it’s only a message board, but you my friend are looking bad!

All your bluster about Bush being a criminal and all you can do when pushed for just a little proof is call people names…

(By the way Lucifer was banished from Heaven but not sent to Hell! If you are going to try to insult me using scripture at least know what you are talking about. Maybe you should spend more time reading the Bible and less time making specious comments about President Bush)

rain, I am a proponent of free will so if you are going to ignore me I heartily applaud your right to do that and wish you well. One last thing, I never said you were racist, I referenced when you were uptight about the mexicans running through your yard and stealing things. It bothered you to a great degree if I remember. You are a blind to your own faults and run from thread to thread screaming and accusing like some type of lunatic.

zeb, to narrow minded, judgmental, dogmatic, hypocritical, people, I may be viewed in a negative light, but that’s fine with me, I don’t care what people like that think about me.

The only people that I care about their image of me are people that I respect and who exhibit understanding and awareness combined with empathy. In my opinion you exhibit very little of either. You are more like a schoolboy who will use any deviant behavior to win the approval of the classroom.

Oh, and you are the Bible expert, but I feel you got my meaning.

He didn’t call you a racist, he suggested you like to pin blame for issues in various areas.

However, when you alluded that mexicans crossing the border could be compared to locusts or cockroaches, you did set yourself for people to interpret that as a racist statement. Do you remember saying that or is this a job for the search engine so that you can have your memory refreshed?

At the same time, you’ve gone and shown how civil you are by calling him a “bitter fucking loser”, however the hell you have chosen to define that.

Although you argued against it, I think you are proving my point for me. The rabid right are very very uptight when their own tactics are used against them.

What’s good for the goose isn’t good for the gander?

Zeb, proof comes in things like the fact that the administration is adjusting it’s stance or statement on how it will deal with any leaks.

Originally the White House stated that anyone involved in leaks would be fired. This was made clear by the gonad that speaks for the president on several occasions.

Now, as things progress, this has been changed to a statement that firing will only occur if illegal actions are proven. This is a far cry from the moral standards the White House has told us they would uphold.

You may not consider this proof, but the statements made before and after are a matter of public record. You can go and look them up, or probably read this thread and see them quoted or discussed.

Your view of those facts, the alteration of the statement, may be different, but at the same time, it is a very good example of how and why I form my opinion of the administration. Cheney swearing during hearings is another reason.

Both of these issues are known public records. The fact that the administration allowed and presumably set the tone for how prisoners are to be handled, and did not even attempt to act above the rest of the world, but simply fell all the way down to allowing torture or extradition to countries that allow torture, is not something I can respect.

Falling for Chalabi, and thinking that a liberated Iraq would be a cakewake, throwing away the lives of young soldiers on a daily basis for something that nobody can define. Wait, today it is the quest for democratization and freedom in the middle east.

The railroading of senators to cast votes based on the threat of future negative attacks concerning patriotism. The use of the swift boat vets tactic, which was the epitome of low class… my god, did you want proof?

You don’t have to believe these items represent proof, but they are the foundation of the republican machine, which idiots like Newt and DeLay and so on, getting chastised constantly for failing to follow ethics guidelines.

Is that proof enough? You can interpret those events differently than I, but I see a morally bankrupt republican party that is playing hardball, thinking the ends justify the means. It is morally repugnant.

Hopefully, the next time republicans lose, the democrats will play a cleaner game and I won’t be developing the same sense of disgust that I currently have for the republicans and their wilfully blind cheerleaders who are willing to piss away the freedoms their forefathers fought and died for.

Look, think, form an opinion, and don’t try to discount peoples opinions with mere talking points.

Arguing that X (such as Clinton) did Y, does not negate any of the viewpoints. Saying Z (such as Islamofascists) are worse, does not in any way change the fact that we should do better. Try something real, instead of some republican diversionary and discrediting tactic.

Do so, and your comments won’t be worthy of insult.

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
rain, I am a proponent of free will so if you are going to ignore me I heartily applaud your right to do that and wish you well. One last thing, I never said you were racist, I referenced when you were uptight about the mexicans running through your yard and stealing things. It bothered you to a great degree if I remember. You are a blind to your own faults and run from thread to thread screaming and accusing like some type of lunatic.
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It was illegal aliens. Not Mexicans. But you conveniently, yet once again, incorrectly, read into it that I accuse Mexicans in general of being a problem. You remember as badly as you read. You throw racist remarks into my mouth and then you have the vagina to tell me you never said I was racist? Real brave shit coming from behind the safety of a computer screen. What the fuck were you trying to say, then? You have zero logic in your malformed brain.

Who have I accused? You? vroom? You start you personal attacks the second you run out of argument. In your diminished capacity - that is almost immediately. Hypocrisy must be the color for all the libs this season.

I am embarrased that I ever held any respect for you and your childish/PMS infused logic.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
rain, I am a proponent of free will so if you are going to ignore me I heartily applaud your right to do that and wish you well. One last thing, I never said you were racist, I referenced when you were uptight about the mexicans running through your yard and stealing things. It bothered you to a great degree if I remember. You are a blind to your own faults and run from thread to thread screaming and accusing like some type of lunatic.

It was illegal aliens. Not Mexicans. But you conveniently, yet once again, incorrectly, read into it that I accuse Mexicans in general of being a problem. You remember as badly as you read. You throw racist remarks into my mouth and then you have the vagina to tell me you never said I was racist? Real brave shit coming from behind the safety of a computer screen. What the fuck were you trying to say, then? You have zero logic in your malformed brain.

Who have I accused? You? vroom? You start you personal attacks the second you run out of argument. In your diminished capacity - that is almost immediately. Hypocrisy must be the color for all the libs this season.

I am embarrased that I ever held any respect for you and your childish/PMS infused logic.

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rain, you guys are not very good at keeping promises!

You fling out vaginas, losers, accuse me of hiding behind my keyboard, and then have the audacity to cry “personal attacks”. You are indeed insane.

[quote]vroom wrote:
He didn’t call you a racist, he suggested you like to pin blame for issues in various areas.

However, when you alluded that mexicans crossing the border could be compared to locusts or cockroaches, you did set yourself for people to interpret that as a racist statement. Do you remember saying that or is this a job for the search engine so that you can have your memory refreshed?

At the same time, you’ve gone and shown how civil you are by calling him a “bitter fucking loser”, however the hell you have chosen to define that.

Although you argued against it, I think you are proving my point for me. The rabid right are very very uptight when their own tactics are used against them.

What’s good for the goose isn’t good for the gander?
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I would agree with you if that was what I had said. I said - and if you wnat to look it up, please do - that illegal immigrants are like cockroaches. That is not racist. That does not open me up to be called a racisit - unless it is done so by the ignorant simply because they have no reading skills. Is that your problem, vroom? Seems like we’ve had problems with your comprehension skills before.

I don’t mind you guys fancying me as rabid. You have yet to read a reply from me expressing even the slightest give-a-shit about your rhetoric. I even stated as much in an earlier post. There are a lot of things you can call me that roll off my back - unlike the sensitive liberal faction that has been posting on here recently.

But to infer racism - which you seem to think I have left myself open for - is going too far. I believe you can make your points without shotgunning your adversaries with inferences of racism. I get extremely upset when e-warriors such as yourself and elk throw that word and those allegations around. Read my posts and see if I am this defensive about the bickering that normally goes on around here. You won’t find any.

You guys can call me crazy. You can call me a rabid Bush supporter. You can call me an idiot. I don’t care about any of that. But when you excuse the practice of calling people racist without basis - you are just as bad as the name caller himself.

If you can live with that, then more power to you. I can certainly live with the fact that you have lost a great deal of respect from me.

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
rain, you guys are not very good at keeping promises!

You fling out vaginas, losers, accuse me of hiding behind my keyboard, and then have the audacity to cry “personal attacks”. You are indeed insane. [/quote]

I don’t think I ‘promised’ anything. You came up with a thread’s worth of a reason to infer me being a racist - I responded.

I told you once already that I can live with most everything that is said in the heat of political debate - or something along those lines. You have no problems dolling out yourr own brand of namecalling. So this must be a classic case of the pot callng the kettle black, as I have yet to read a single post from you that actually used proof and logic to make an argument - only name calling and vitriole.

There are a lot of things you can call me that will not draw mw out like this. But the inference of racism is just chicken shit of you.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
rain, you guys are not very good at keeping promises!

You fling out vaginas, losers, accuse me of hiding behind my keyboard, and then have the audacity to cry “personal attacks”. You are indeed insane.

I don’t think I ‘promised’ anything. You came up with a thread’s worth of a reason to infer me being a racist - I responded.

I told you once already that I can live with most everything that is said in the heat of political debate - or something along those lines. You have no problems dolling out yourr own brand of namecalling. So this must be a classic case of the pot callng the kettle black, as I have yet to read a single post from you that actually used proof and logic to make an argument - only name calling and vitriole.

There are a lot of things you can call me that will not draw mw out like this. But the inference of racism is just chicken shit of you. [/quote]

You can knock me down, step on my face
Slam my name all over the place
Do anything that you’re going to do
But uh uh honey lay off of my shoes

But don’t you, step on my blue suede shoes
You can do anything but lay off of my blue suede shoes

Accusing someone of not using proof or logic coming from you is comical. I really mean that rainman.

You can build a pretty good picture of someone from the material they provide and if you choose to get your chonies wadded up because I referenced your anger at Mexican or illegal aliens you can do that.

The word racist came out of your pie hole not mine.