It actually can happen if enough or most men want it to happen. Although marriage was never literally forced here, it was incentivized and, as I’ve written over and over, simple social pressure, expectations, and high standards were enforced.
What you speak of likely will not happen soon, and it certainly will not happen in a matriarchy/gynecocracy. But, if nearly all men wanted to do an about-face, put their foot down, stopped thinking with their genitalia, and cease being in near perpetual state of capitulation, they can steer things however they want.
And as I’ve also said who know how many times, the only way to correct or regulate a market, in this case, a sexual market, is to control the supply side. And we all know what women have that men want (I refrain from putting it bluntly). So to all this whining about a double standard—correctly put, a high standard—“Bro, it ain’t fair. It’s a double standard. We bros give each other high fives for screwing a lot of chicks”—tough crap, get over it, face reality, what gets results!
Men can allow or disallow whatever the heck they want, for good or for bad. And that involves being mean here and there, or not giving into every whim or desire people have (men and women), so be it.
Why shouldn’t it be income based? There are medical expenses. There are a lot of costs to get ready to have the kid. Maybe moving to a bigger place. Furniture. All the baby crap you need that is ridiculously expensive.
Since this matter has come up during the abortion debate, the question is: how does this reduce unwanted pregnancies? Child support obviously is not a deterrent. The men who will pay, will pay even if there is an extra nine months of payments. The deadbeats won’t pay regardless.
Men who have money, not necessarily wealthy, and steady jobs, and who are not immoral criminals, will pay child support one way or another. If they try and not pay, the courts will go after their paychecks. Wealthy men will pay because they have the money and the mother will be able to get an attorney who will get her as much money as possible. These situations are not a major problem.
It’s the poor women making babies with, at the risk of sounding judgmental, losers. These women won’t marry because they need welfare. If you forced the man to marry the woman, congratulations, you just gave the child two incompetent, at best, parents. And if they can’t get welfare, the kids will suffer because the father will put himself first because he is a loser. In essence, adding nine extra months of child support won’t change the mother’s situation. She will still go on welfare and the courts won’t find it any easier to get nine more months of support from a man who they couldn’t get 18 years from.
Then add in the woke idiots who view marriage as a relic of the patriarchy and a sign of literally, in their minds, white supremacy. This is why if a 10 year old black is killed by police at 2 am, you can’t ask about the parent. Accountability is also, I’m not making this up, seen as a vestige of white supremacy.
So while I personally don’t care about this bill being proposed, I don’t see how it addresses any of the underlying issues. I see it as a solution looking for a problem. Just know that if it’s made into law, a pregnant woman can claim you are the father and start collecting child support from you. Once the child is born and paternity can be established, if you are not the father, you won’t get those payments back.
Good luck. Any sought after relief won’t come from the family court that ordered the child support. You would need to sue in civil court and would spend more money than you were asking for back. You would probably need to prove she knowingly lied.
You would need to prove she lied. Men have paid child support for kids they believed were theirs for years. Nothing happened then and nothing will happen now. Family court puts the child first. They would rather have a man who believed a child was his continue to pay than release him from that obligation. That’s why, if you are single, wait until paternity is established unless you don’t care if the child isn’t yours biologically and want to raise it as if it were. Once you start paying, you just made things harder if the kid isn’t yours.
Being accused of being the father is not a criminal accusation.
This proposed bill is not for a law against a crime.
Because these costs tend to be uniform regardless of parental income. Pre-birth costs to cover necessities can easily be assessed on a national average and be paid by everyone regardless of income. Anything more is no longer child support but just ‘Pregnancy payment’.
I agree a father should pay for his child and if he has higher income his child should have a higher standard of care but why should the mother too?
I’m saying I’d be fine with the mother or father lying about about the situation being a criminal offense.
People lie about other people all of the time for all kinds of reasons. This is why the court system exists. Lying liars are not an argument against having laws.
The men you are sympathetic towards may get the shaft by their crazy ex lover. I see that as another reason why laws like this, which incentivize the behavior we want to see, are a good step ahead.
If you don’t think a group of young men would be talking about how their bro was on the hook a month after that hookup he bragged about, you don’t know much about young men.
I think the strongest argument for this is the mother having more incentive to keep it he child by closing the months long window of no consequences for the father. She can decide to keep it and put the deadbeat on the hook immediately.
Of course deadbeat dads will exist no matter what, but that’s no reason to oppose common sense parenting laws.
Don’t like the law? Don’t put yourself in the wrong end of it. Do the right thing.
Custody to the father perhaps?
I think child support should be paid by men who do not want to take care of their kid. But if a high income father wants to take care of his child why should the mother have care and he pay money to support both them?
I don’t see how this law would even apply in that situation. I’d imagine a wealthy guy like that who got a woman pregnant but soon realized he didn’t want to raise the child with her wouldn’t need to have court ordered support while the mom is pregnant. He’d be doing that already.
The scenario seems strange to me though. Why would a man get a woman pregnant if he had no desire to raise the child together. If the man wants kids he should have them with a woman who wants to raise them together.
You can “but what about?” endless scenarios. I think the proposed law reflects a good set of priorities and incentives.
Because being on the hook nine months later is somehow different? And you are talking about young men who would pay because they were ordered to or because they are good people. The morons running around getting multiple women pregnant don’t care. People seem to underestimate the stupidity and lack of accountability of some others. I had two students with the same last name. I asked if they were related and they had the same father but different mothers. That guy was screwing whatever moved. I’ve seen women complaining about the various fathers of their multiple kids. I had a 14 year old student who was pregnant with her second child from the same adult male. He also had a kid with another girl. These are the people we need to be concerned about because they are making the future criminals and welfare queens.
Ask Herschel Walker. You ask that question because you can put yourself in the shoes of someone who does that. I couldn’t relate either. Yet, those men exist.
He can get joint custody and not have to pay child support. Why should he be able to buy the kid, though?
After my divorce, I got custody of my son. My ex paid child support on principle. I didn’t need the money. Now I have 4 step-sons as well. Their dad doesn’t pay a dime.
Yes, it is 9 months different, to be exact. The consequences now follow the fun much more closely. Young men in particular will respond to more immediate consequences. Not all, but many.
I especially like how the mom can decide right away to keep it and get support right away. I don’t like how a deadbeat has so much time to talk his kids mom into killing it before he has any consequences at all.
The biological father of my kid wanted him dead, never born in the first place. 22 years later he’s still the same miserable low life, forever resentful of the whopping $46 per week he paid for 18 years.